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DannyJC13

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« Reply #80 on: 06-30-2011 23:02 »

A 'clone of my own' is an awesome episode Danny.

Why is everyone telling me this? I never said I didn't like it...
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« Reply #81 on: 06-30-2011 23:06 »

A 'clone of my own' is an awesome episode Danny.

Why is everyone telling me this? I never said I didn't like it...

You phrased your statement as a question, and people are answering it as such. They're not saying you didn't like it. They're responding to this...
And 'A Clone of my Own' is seen as a bad ep? confused

They're letting you know they agree with you in that ACOMO is a great episode.
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« Reply #82 on: 07-01-2011 01:56 »

A Clone on My Own's redeeming quality is having Benderbrau.

[Cubert]Methinks you have that confused with "The Route of All Evil." *snort*[/Cubert]
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« Reply #83 on: 07-01-2011 02:17 »

I too consider A Clone of My Own to be one of the best episodes of season 2, but I also think that about Bender Gets Made so what do I know?
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« Reply #84 on: 07-01-2011 02:19 »

I'm starting to see I was dead wrong about people disliking A Clone of My Own. Gosh, where did I get that from?
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« Reply #85 on: 07-01-2011 02:31 »

A Clone on My Own's redeeming quality is having Benderbrau.

[Cubert]Methinks you have that confused with "The Route of All Evil." *snort*[/Cubert]
See, those episodes are so bad that even I confuse them with each other! I don't especially like either episode, Cubert stories just ain't my thang.
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« Reply #86 on: 07-01-2011 06:44 »

Btw That Darn Katz is a hilarious episode. People that don't like it can't get over their distaste for cat related humor.

I love cats, I love lolcats, and I love Futurama. Yet I hated that episode. Perhaps it's the sheer stupidity that it encapsulated. I love Futurama because it's clever. When it starts to sink into the giant pit of idiocy that is "normal" TV programming, I just despair.

That said, I'm going to go watch it again now, see if I can spot where your appreciation for it stems from.

I'm also going to have to do this at some point;
Now compare all the first 4 series...I thought not

I don't know if this guy is trolling or just bizarre, but I intend to answer him honestly if I'm going to answer him at all. There may well be a graph of some sort involved as well.
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« Reply #87 on: 07-01-2011 06:54 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 07:39 »

Welp
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #88 on: 07-01-2011 07:21 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 07:23 by totalnerduk »

So I rewatched TDK as I said I would, and came up with a list of things I really liked, and things I hated.

Negative Points
  • The sign over Mars University no longer says "Knowledge brings fear". I liked that sign.
  • Professor Speakenspell was a bad joke that really didn't deserve to come back for the ending.
  • "Hypnotic hyper cuteness". Seriously, Futurama writers? That's the best you can do? It really doesn't explain the sudden and inexplicable fondness that the crew have for cats when Katz sneaks into the PX building. We've never seen it before.
  • The transference of rotational energy shouldn't work that way. How does the PX building end up connected to the Great Pyramid? Why doesn't the magma burn the yarn and melt the cobalt? Why yarn? A static charge doesn't quite work that way. Argh. Egregious science fails everywhere.
  • The stupid gags when the Earth stops spinning. Stupid. Just stupid. Not only does it not work that way, but it's a little irritating that the actual consequences of a sudden stop were ignored. No tidal waves or loss of water, no devastating earthquakes as the continetal plates suddenly jar against one another. It seemed to warm up awfully quickly as well. Added to that, the cat homeworld shouldn't even be inhabited anymore. Why couldn't all the cats evacuate anyhow? So much stupid. The cat can-can as well. Stupid!
Things I liked
  • There was a cartoon on the opening billboard.
  • Kitties!
So yeah, I still hate it.
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« Reply #89 on: 07-01-2011 07:51 »

So I rewatched TDK as I said I would, and came up with a list of things I really liked, and things I hated.

Negative Points
  • The sign over Mars University no longer says "Knowledge brings fear". I liked that sign.
  • Professor Speakenspell was a bad joke that really didn't deserve to come back for the ending.
  • "Hypnotic hyper cuteness". Seriously, Futurama writers? That's the best you can do? It really doesn't explain the sudden and inexplicable fondness that the crew have for cats when Katz sneaks into the PX building. We've never seen it before.
  • The transference of rotational energy shouldn't work that way. How does the PX building end up connected to the Great Pyramid? Why doesn't the magma burn the yarn and melt the cobalt? Why yarn? A static charge doesn't quite work that way. Argh. Egregious science fails everywhere.
  • The stupid gags when the Earth stops spinning. Stupid. Just stupid. Not only does it not work that way, but it's a little irritating that the actual consequences of a sudden stop were ignored. No tidal waves or loss of water, no devastating earthquakes as the continetal plates suddenly jar against one another. It seemed to warm up awfully quickly as well. Added to that, the cat homeworld shouldn't even be inhabited anymore. Why couldn't all the cats evacuate anyhow? So much stupid. The cat can-can as well. Stupid!
Things I liked
  • There was a cartoon on the opening billboard.
  • Kitties!
So yeah, I still hate it.


Psh SpeakenSpell was a great joke. Also the Hypnotic hyper cuteness is REAL. That's why it's funny, they just made up a terrible name for it.
Most of the things you mentioned weren't so good but there was so much that was good about it. I thought pretty much every cat joke (except the Cat Can-Can, ugh) was hilarious, and Nibbler as a main character was great. "I keep telling you that's my real naval uniform!", "My best friend died in that uniform." So good. The delivery was perfect. There was some good Bubble Gum Tate action too.
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« Reply #90 on: 07-01-2011 07:52 »

How is Hypnotic Hyper Cuteness "REAL"?
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« Reply #91 on: 07-01-2011 08:15 »

How is Hypnotic Hyper Cuteness "REAL"?
does he really need to elaborate? why do we all love babies?

anyways, after several repeat viewings, i grew to really like 'that darn katz'. dr. s is pure hilarity at it's highest form, and intelligent nibbler is always the bees knee's, in my eyes. i also liked that the amy intern situation was revisited. it addressed one of the original concepts on the show, which is what us true fans appreciate.
Aki

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« Reply #92 on: 07-01-2011 08:17 »

Ofcourse babies are cute, but not cute enough to be able to force me to doom my entire species. See the logical fallacy there?
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #93 on: 07-01-2011 08:25 »

Ofcourse babies are cute, but not cute enough to be able to force me to doom my entire species. See the logical fallacy there?

speak for yourself, aki. show me a baby koala or panda, and i'd kill anything.
Aki

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« Reply #94 on: 07-01-2011 08:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 08:40 »

I was speaking for myself.

Ofcourse babies are cute, but not cute enough to be able to force me to doom my entire species.

See the "me" in there? That's a sign that I'm talking to myself.

Now let's try getting the discussion down to an intelligent level, can we?

edit: I just now noticed I wrote "talking to myself". I obviously meant: "That's a sign that I'm talking for myself."
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #95 on: 07-01-2011 08:31 »

dr. s is pure hilarity at it's highest form,

Where's that "Can't tell if trolling" pic?
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #96 on: 07-01-2011 08:33 »

I was speaking for myself.

Ofcourse babies are cute, but not cute enough to be able to force me to doom my entire species.

See the "me" in there? That's a sign that I'm talking to myself.

Now let's try getting the discussion down to an intelligent level, can we?

wow. english must not be your first language.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #97 on: 07-01-2011 08:35 »

He's from Sweden, so I would guess not. However, I understood his post perfectly and didn't note any grammatical errors. Now can we get back on the topic of how Ghost was the most classic-like episode of all Season 6?
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #98 on: 07-01-2011 08:35 »

dr. s is pure hilarity at it's highest form,

Where's that "Can't tell if trolling" pic?

not trolling. to give you a picture of what entertains me, dumb n dumber is my favorite movie ever and i love the stooges.

the horse says...DOCTORATE DENIED.

your troll insinuation's are actually rather insulting. if this was not the internet, i might have been offended.
Aki

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« Reply #99 on: 07-01-2011 08:37 »

I hate agreeing with flesheatingbull, but I loved Dr. Schpeakandschpell.

Now can we get back on the topic of how Ghost was the most classic-like episode of all Season 6?

Second! I'm sure the "everything is worse now" proponents will find a way to twist it against us though.
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #100 on: 07-01-2011 08:37 »

He's from Sweden, so I would guess not. However, I understood his post perfectly and didn't note any grammatical errors. Now can we get back on the topic of how Ghost was the most classic-like episode of all Season 6?

firstly, the fact that aki is a man certainly disappoints me.
also, the grammar was not the issue, obviously. it was the lack of understanding true meaning. i've noticed this about AKI's replies for a long while now. not a big deal, and i'm glad to see such an active member, actually.
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #101 on: 07-01-2011 08:40 »

i'd like to third the notion.

also, 'my cleavage isn't helping'.
'not helping him'

yivo, do i love this show.
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« Reply #102 on: 07-01-2011 14:53 »


When it first aired I thought TDK was the worst ep ever.  Upon repeated viewings I have grown rather fond of it.  Prof Speakenspell, though?  Lame.

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« Reply #103 on: 07-01-2011 19:52 »

I think whenever my sister and I see each other now one of us says "The Horse says...DOCTORATE DENIED." I love Dr. Speakenspell.

One of my favorite newer episodes.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #104 on: 07-01-2011 19:56 »

I enjoyed That Darn Katz!, a wacky yet fun ep.
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« Reply #105 on: 07-01-2011 20:31 »

also, 'my cleavage isn't helping'.
'not helping him'

As much as I love boobs, I can't say they are the equal of hilarity.  Although, in fairness, Futurama restricts its boob-related jokes.  So if by highlighting this joke and thus commenting on Futurama's decency regarding these kind of jokes (not that new Futurama doesn't poke a lot around on other blue jokes), then I agree.

But it was hardly the funniest part of that episode.  Just sayin'.
Aki

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« Reply #106 on: 07-01-2011 20:33 »

It was a fun joke, nothing special but still a fun joke. Futurama doesn't do that type of joke that often, so I don't mind. It's fun when it comes up rarely.
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« Reply #107 on: 07-01-2011 22:55 »

also, 'my cleavage isn't helping'.
'not helping him'

As much as I love boobs, I can't say they are the equal of hilarity.  Although, in fairness, Futurama restricts its boob-related jokes.  So if by highlighting this joke and thus commenting on Futurama's decency regarding these kind of jokes (not that new Futurama doesn't poke a lot around on other blue jokes), then I agree.

But it was hardly the funniest part of that episode.  Just sayin'.

i actually overlooked the joke on first view. it's one of those jokes that are squeezed in that fall under the radar.  much like when the prof. addressed everyone as 'Nuchachos' in Neutopia.
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« Reply #108 on: 07-02-2011 11:19 »

Nuchacho is the only gender of rock alien I reckon.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #109 on: 07-02-2011 12:03 »

* i_c_weiner pushes up his glasses nerdily.

Um, I believe it would be "neuchacho", as it would be derived from "neutral" or "neutered" just as "Neutopia" is.
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« Reply #110 on: 07-02-2011 12:12 »

Infosphere says Nuchacho. hmpf
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« Reply #111 on: 07-02-2011 12:25 »

Infospace is wrong, like always.
Aki

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« Reply #112 on: 07-02-2011 13:25 »

There is no argument on either side, in my opinion, except that "nuchacho" is a better spelling considering the Mexican origin. If the gender was in reference to "neutered", "neutral" or "Neutopia" I don't think it would have had the -"chacho" but something more obvious. I think it's more of a word they just made up for fun.
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« Reply #113 on: 07-02-2011 14:36 »

Nuchacho is the only gender of rock alien I reckon.

Wasn't that established in the SAME sentance that it first mentioned that word....? no no
Aki

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« Reply #114 on: 07-02-2011 14:43 »

Nuchacho is the only gender of rock alien I reckon.

Wasn't that established in the SAME sentance that it first mentioned that word....? no no

Yes.
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« Reply #115 on: 07-03-2011 03:12 »

I wish someone would say this to the creators at comic con: "Will there be anymore episodes ever, just focussing on the core trio Fry, Bender and Leela?"
Aki

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« Reply #116 on: 07-03-2011 03:36 »

Seeing as all the other primary characters were updated to major beginning with "Rebirth", I doubt it will happen this season. Maybe season 7.
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« Reply #117 on: 07-03-2011 17:38 »

But what's irksome about that, Aki, is that the (formerly?) supporting characters are generally not utilized in the same way that the core trio is. They're usually just shoehorned in when it makes no sense within the context of the episode (the entire crew tagging along for that delivery in "Benderama" will never cease to bother me). I'm all for episodes that explore the lives of the supporting characters ("Lethal Inspection," for example), but they are not why I watch the show. Fry, Leela, and Bender are.

I'm reminded of one of my favorite lines in "Parasites Lost," where Fry is trying to tell Leela something "about you, and me," and Leela adds, "And Bender?" In that case, the line is funny, because the writers are lampshading the fact that Fry and Leela and Bender, at least during the original run, got the most screen time together and were often utilized equally. If they did that line today, though, wouldn't Leela have to say, "And Hermes and Amy and the Professor and Zoidberg?"

Or take an episode like "I Second That Emotion": much of it takes place in the PE building, so we see a lot of Hermes and Zoidberg; Amy has her own scene with Leela where she's trying to console her over the loss of Nibbler; and Farnsworth is the guy who invents the empathy chip that sets the main plot rolling in the first place. We see enough of the four supporting crew members, and yet when we get down to the core action in the episode (visiting the sewers and seeing the mutants for the first time), only Fry, Leela, and Bender are along for the ride. If they did that episode today, I fear the writers would have tried to stuff Zoidberg, Hermes, Farnsworth, and Amy (and, hell, maybe even Scruffy) in that damn boat floating down the sewer. And it would just be a bit too much.

I don't want to dump on the new episodes, because some of them have utilized the entire crew beautifully ("The Prisoner of Benda" is the best example, but "Rebirth" doesn't really lose anything for including the entire PE crew in nearly every scene). But, if I'm being honest, most of my favorite episodes of the new run ("The Duh-Vinci Code," "The Late Philip J. Fry") have had a narrower focus, character-wise.
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« Reply #118 on: 07-03-2011 17:42 »

I think you got me wrong, Gorky, I totally agree with you. I just said that I don't think the writers plan to decrease the screen time the crew has.

That said, it doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother the lot of you.
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« Reply #119 on: 07-03-2011 17:47 »

Sorry if I misinterpreted you there, Aki. For some reason, what bothers me more than anything else  about the new run (including the alleged dumbing-down of the show, the dirtier jokes, and the pop culture references) is how the supporting characters have been utilized. I didn't mean to imply that you were super-duper gung-ho about it; I guess I was just taking issue with the implication (be it yours or the writers') that Hermes and Zoidberg and Amy and Farnsworth will ever be "major" characters.
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