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futurefreak

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« Reply #560 on: 09-01-2011 21:53 »

Ehhh I preferred 6A much more, but who knows, maybe next year I'll be saying the same thing about 6B...which means they'd only be getting progressively worst mad

Which episodes were some of the best for you, Danny? What makes them work? Let us know I'm curious! big grin
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« Reply #561 on: 09-01-2011 21:56 »

Vol 6

Season 6B has included some of the best episodes in a long time.


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« Reply #562 on: 09-01-2011 22:04 »

Which episodes were some of the best for you, Danny? What makes them work? Let us know I'm curious! big grin

Mobius Dick is one of my favourite episodes ever, if not the best. Maybe. Leela is a little annoying in it, but other than that, great ep, mainly because of all the sci-fi stuff. tongue

Neutopia and Benderama are just those general silly, sweet idea plots that you can watch even if you're not a fan of the show.

Ghost in the Machines, ending was weak, but it contained some awesome Fry moments, and I enjoyed all the things Bender could do as a ghost, and the sound of the Sacrimental Firewall. big grin

Yo Leela Leela: Probably the worst episode EVER, but it was really, really colourful and had some great animation, and I enjoyed the sound of the PE ship engines blasting into the crew when they were making lots of noise. (You've probably noticed by now I like the sounds of things. big grin)

Law and Oracle and Cold Warriors, Fry heavy eps, PERFECT. If you need anymore info on the other eps then I'll post or PM you if you want. laff

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If you hate the new eps, why are you here?
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« Reply #563 on: 09-01-2011 22:44 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2011 22:47 »

You know, I think that at this point seasons 6A and 6B are tied for me, quality-wise. "Mobius Dick," "Fry Am the Egg Man," and "Cold Warriors" really stepped things up from the first half of 6B. I do think 6B has had more flat-out lousy episodes (namely "Ghost in the Machines" and "The Silence of the Clamps," but I wasn't too impressed with "The Tip of the Zoidberg," either), and a few with funky pacing (particularly "Neutopia")--but, I don't know. Overall, 6B has more of a "classic" feel to me--more jokes, maybe, or more cuh-razy sci fi stuff--than 6A did.

I'm thinking (hoping) that "Overclockwise" tips the scales even more in 6B's direction.

Also, for what it's worth: I liked "Yo Leela Leela," and don't think it's anywhere near being the worst episode of the series. Hell, it's not even the worst of the season.[/unpopular opinion]
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« Reply #564 on: 09-02-2011 00:50 »

I have high hopes for Overclockwise, which is tonight, believe it or not. From what I've heard and seen from the clip, it looks like another classic "Futurama end-of-the-season-but-possibly-end-of-the-series" episode. It looks epic, has a sci-fi premise, and is speculated (and hoped for) to have some definitive or deciding plot element that defines the nature of Fry and Leela's so-called "relationship."

I am thoroughly excited for, and I'm counting down until the episode premieres tonight.
And on a completely unrelated and downright random note, if you stare at the word "premiere," it looks very, very wrong.

Also, for what it's worth: I liked "Yo Leela Leela," and don't think it's anywhere near being the worst episode of the series. Hell, it's not even the worst of the season.[/unpopular opinion]

You're not completely alone. I don't hate it with all my guts and wish to throw it out the window of a 10-story building, set it on fire, and throw it into the burning sun. It was enjoyable, but also predictable and a little corny. It isn't my favorite--hell no. But I don't hate it as much as many other people. Mostly because I tend not to hate things. That's mean.
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« Reply #565 on: 09-02-2011 00:51 »

Also, for what it's worth: I liked "Yo Leela Leela," and don't think it's anywhere near being the worst episode of the series. Hell, it's not even the worst of the season.[/unpopular opinion]

Agreed! Though actually I think Neutopia takes the cake for "worst ever", which a number of people would also disagree with. For me, Neutopia is the only ep that I would declare "flat-out lousy". There were a fair number of mediocre ones in 6B, a good number of great ones (the three you cited come to mind), and I am really, really looking forward to tonight's.
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« Reply #566 on: 09-02-2011 02:55 »

I think "Neutopia" would have been a lot better if it had remained an episode that was strictly about the battle of the sexes. It would have been a bit of a rehash of "Into the Wild Green Yonder," yes, but at least it wouldn't have had that rushed ending and that disturbing gender-bending stuff (which is, in itself, a rehash of "Bend Her"). I thought the first two acts were laugh-out-loud hilarious (though there were a lot of lame-ass pop culture references, and some hackneyed, cliched "jokes" about the differences between men and women), and seeing a Hermes/LaBarbara story was kind of nice for a change. It's by no means my favorite episode of the season (let alone the series), but...I don't know. Call it a guilty pleasure. I certainly think more people hated it than loved it, so I guess you're in the majority there, spira.

That said, I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who doesn't hate "Yo Leela Leela." The third act makes a pretty big misstep, no doubt--but it's pulled off in a semi-amusing way (and I love the warped "moral" at the end of the episode). Also, I really dig the songs.
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« Reply #567 on: 09-02-2011 04:42 »
« Last Edit on: 09-02-2011 04:45 »

Am I the only one who really enjoyed Neutopia?  I think it's one of the best episodes of 6B.   I thought it was a good ensemble piece, gorgeous animation and art design, had pleanty of jokes throughout and had some really good premises, and I enjoyed the new character they introduced that episode (Amana).  It had its problems that prevented it from being as good as The Prisner of Benda, the main ones being: it had three very interesting plotlines smooshed together into one episode which meant the plot had pacing issues and each segment wasn't explored to its full potential, and the airline and the gender bending segments really should have been their own episodes.  Another was that it was an ensemble piece, but had too many characters and most of them werent used to their full potential like Petunia was.  It also had a few  "men leave the toilet seats up and wimmins don't like that hur hur hur" type jokes, but so did AWITM, but that like that episode, it had plenty of funny jokes about gender stereotypes as well.   The ending was rather sudden and deus ex machina-y, but that's a problem affectiong most of  6b.  

I also really liked how the episode put some much needed heart back into Hermes and LaBarbara's relationship.  While we've never been emotionally invested in them the way we have been with Fry and Leela and to a lesser extent Amy and Kif, I really disliked how BBS retconned LaBarbara from a loving wife who stayed with Hermes even though a woman of her looks could easily bag a much more handsome husband (and she has), into a heartless slut who dropped her husband when he most needed her to screw some douchebag and to legally change their son's name to that of the aforesaid douchebag.   So it was nice to of the writers to remember that element of her character (I genuinely found her character derailment in BBS rather stupid, similar to the Simpsons sacrificing heart and character traits for a cheap joke.  I swear, the only relationship that hasn't become cheapened in the Simpsons for cheap jokes is the one between Homer and Lisa, which still manages to retain genuine warmth whenever its shown.)

Also I really enjoyed Yo Leela Leela.  I certainly don't get why it gets the hate it does, when there are much worse episodes in 6b and 6a.  I will now implore all children I know to poke dead things with sticks and lick the sticks instead.  
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« Reply #568 on: 09-02-2011 06:04 »

About Neutopia, I think one of the funniest moments of this season was after Fry was turned female. When he is flirted with and giggles, for some reason I laughed my ass off. I have no idea why. That makes me very weird.
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« Reply #569 on: 09-02-2011 06:18 »

If you can't tell if it's alive or dead, poke it with a stick and lick the stick instead.

Pure gold right there.

I thought the best part of Neutopia was the Hermes/LaBarbara relationship, which was done rather nicely. The rest of it, aside fromt the PlanAm flight which was also totally hilarious and made me laugh out loud, was just a train wreck. Major pacing issues, terrible references, cliches, out-of-character moments, too many characters in general, the works. If they'd had their genders switched earlier, it could have been salvaged a bit, I think. The ending was terrible.
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« Reply #570 on: 09-02-2011 06:23 »

I thought the best part of Neutopia was the Hermes/LaBarbara relationship, which was done rather nicely. The rest of it, aside fromt the PlanAm flight which was also totally hilarious and made me laugh out loud, was just a train wreck. Major pacing issues, terrible references, cliches, out-of-character moments, too many characters in general, the works. If they'd had their genders switched earlier, it could have been salvaged a bit, I think. The ending was terrible.

As far as Neutopia goes, maybe I would have appreciated it more if it weren't for Amazon Women in the Mood. AWitM was such a great episode and it was a great way to explore gender. I think my expectations were a bit high.
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« Reply #571 on: 09-02-2011 10:06 »

The only one that really stood out to me was Law and Oracle. I think that is the only one I gave a 10/10 this season. There was a 9, a few 8s I think, and then a 5, 2, and 3. Some were pretty bad.

Cold Warriors was okay too, but LAO was still way above it.
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« Reply #572 on: 09-02-2011 13:16 »
« Last Edit on: 09-02-2011 13:35 »

I feel like 6B is more consistent, but has less extreme highs. Personally, I prefer 6A which has a mixture of amazing and god-awful episodes. That said, if Reincarnation is as amazing as it has the potential to be, it might just swing things in favour of 6B for me (seeing as I'm still processing the brilliance of Overclockwise).

I mean, what this basically comes down to (for me) is The Late Philip J. Fry, A Clockwork Origin, The Mutants are Revolting and The Prisoner of Benda vs. Law and Oracle, Overclockwise and Reincarnation.
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« Reply #573 on: 09-02-2011 14:53 »

I think 6B has the edge.

Super-awesome eps of 6A:
-The Late Philip J. Fry
-The Prisoner of Benda

Super-awesome eps of 6B:
-Overclockwise
-Cold Warriors

Great eps of 6A:
-Lethal Inspection
-A Clockwork Origin

Great eps of 6B:
-Law and Oracle
-Mobius Dick
-Benderama

Good eps of 6A:
-The Mutants Are Revolting
-The Duh-Vinci Code
-Lrreconcilliable Ndndifferences
-That Darn Katz!
-Rebirth

Good eps of 6B:
-Ghost in the Machines
-The Silence of the Clamps
-The Tip of the Zoidberg
-Fry Am The Egg Man

Average eps of 6A:
-Attack Of The Killer App
-In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela
-Proposition Infinity

Average eps of 6B:
-All The President's Heads
-Neutopia

Bad eps of 6A:
-The Futurama Holiday Spectacular

Bad eps of 6B:
-Yo Leela Leela

So yeah, 6B has the slight edge for me, but they're pretty even. I think Reincarnation will settle this.
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« Reply #574 on: 09-02-2011 16:56 »
« Last Edit on: 09-02-2011 17:05 »

Let's see...

 smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile 6A smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile


10/10

N/A

09/10

"The Late Philip J. Fry"

08/10

"Rebirth"
"Proposition Infinity"
"The Duh-Vinci Code"
"Lethal Inspection"
"A Clockwork Origin"
"The Prisoner of Benda"
"Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences"
"The Mutants are Revolting"

07/10

"In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela"
"That Darn Katz!"

06/10

"Attack of the Killer App"

05/10

"The Futurama Holiday Spectacular"

04/10

N/A

03/10

N/A

02/10

N/A

01/10

N/A


Zero - 10/10
One - 09/10
Eight - 08/10
Two - 07/10
One - 06/10
One - 05/10
Zero - 04/10
Zero - 03/10
Zero - 02/10
Zero - 01/10


smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile 6B smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile


10/10

N/A

09/10

N/A

08/10

"The Silence of the Clamps"
"Möbius Dick"
"Law and Oracle"
"Benderama"
"The Tip of the Zoidberg"
"Ghost in the Machines"
"Fry am the Eggman"
"Cold Warriors"
"Overclockwise"

07/10

"Yo Leela Leela"
"All the Presidents' Heads"

06/10

"Neutopia"

05/10

N/A

04/10

N/A

03/10

N/A

02/10

N/A

01/10

N/A


Zero - 10/10
Zero - 09/10
Nine - 08/10
Two - 07/10
One - 06/10
Zero - 05/10
Zero - 04/10
Zero - 03/10
Zero - 02/10
Zero - 01/10

It's basically very even at the moment and I await "Reincarnation" to see which half of the season is the best...
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« Reply #575 on: 09-02-2011 17:33 »

Eh, why not...

Season 6A

Rebirth - 7/10
In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela - 8/10
Attack of the Killer App - 8/10
Proposition Infinity - 3/10 (Quite possibly the worst episode ever)
The Duh-Vinci Code - 8/10
Lethal Inspection - 9/10
The Late Philip J. Fry - 10/10 (Quite possibly the best episode ever)
That Darn Katz! - 7/10
A Clockwork Origin - 7/10
The Prisoner of Benda - 10/10
Lrreconcilable Ndndifferences - 7/10
The Mutants Are Revolting - 8/10

Average: 7.6/10 -> 8/10

Season 6B
Neutopia - 7/10
Benderama - 8/10
Ghost in the Machines - 6/10
Law and Oracle - 9/10
The Silence of the Clamps - 5/10
Yo Leela Leela - 7/10
All The Presidents' Heads - 7/10
Mobius Dick - 9/10
Fry Am the Egg Man - 9/10
The Tip of the Zoidberg - 6/10
Cold Warriors - 10/10
Overclockwise - 10/10

Average: 7.75/10 -> 8/10

So they're pretty evenly-matched, but 6B has the slightest of edges so far. And, unless "Reincarnation" is awful, I think things will stay that way. After all, The Holiday Spectacular is a 5/10 at best--and I doubt "Reincarnation" will sink to a greater low than that.
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« Reply #576 on: 09-02-2011 18:05 »

Gorky, The Futurama Holiday Spectacular isn't on your list. Yes, I know you mentioned it at the bottom, but still. tongue
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« Reply #577 on: 09-02-2011 20:54 »

I feel like 6B is more consistent, but has less extreme highs. Personally, I prefer 6A which has a mixture of amazing and god-awful episodes.

I mean, what this basically comes down to (for me) is The Late Philip J. Fry, A Clockwork Origin, The Mutants are Revolting and The Prisoner of Benda vs. Law and Oracle, Overclockwise and Reincarnation.

Sooooo signed smile
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« Reply #578 on: 09-02-2011 21:02 »

Gorky, The Futurama Holiday Spectacular isn't on your list. Yes, I know you mentioned it at the bottom, but still. tongue

Fair enough. I figured I'd only compare the first twelve episodes of last season with the first twelve of this season, since "Reincarnation" hasn't aired yet. That said, both the Holiday Spectacular and "Reincarnation" are non-canonical--so, at the very least, I can say that 6B's canonical episodes slightly edged out 6A's. Is that more palatable? wink
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« Reply #579 on: 09-02-2011 21:31 »

Good point, hopefully Reincarnation will be much, much better than the Holiday Spectacular... hmpf
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« Reply #580 on: 09-02-2011 22:42 »

Overclockwise has solidified an opinion I've been mulling over all season but haven't committed to until now: this show is getting sloppy. It has left its Simpsons S1-S7 golden age and has entered its Simpsons S8-S9 descent. There's a general feeling and plenty of evidence that it's still good, but it's lost some of the craftsmanship that the previous set had. It's looser and a bit wackier and more fan-baiting than it was before and it's negatively affected the quality of the show. Just to check, I watched a couple of classic episodes (Godfellas, Hell is Other Robots) and they were tighter and more focused than several recent ones have been.

Make the comparison between The Devil's Hands are Idol Playthings and Overclockwise and you'll find that Devil's Hands focuses on its one plot, a plot that is logically evolved from the relationship between two of the characters (and the Robot Devil's pettiness). Overclockwise, in general compliance to the rest of its season, is a bit all over the place and too forcibly wrapped to be completely earned. Its writing is stitched together to provide a feeling of cohesiveness that the classic series had naturally.

Several of the episodes even feel I bit too much like Cotton Candy, which the consuming of simulates every part of being fed except the fulfillment.

The writers frequently bring it together and make something that matches classic series craftsmanship (like TLPJF or LAO) but it's getting farther apart and even the good ones are loud and/or messy in comparison to the classic run. I swear that story points or character interactions seem to come out of nowhere more than they did in the classic series, which brings that feeling of sloppiness that I get from the new season.
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« Reply #581 on: 09-02-2011 22:44 »

I think I'm the only person who still enjoys this show to the max...
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« Reply #582 on: 09-02-2011 23:02 »

I still enjoy it a lot, but S4 was the apex for me and S6 definitely is on the downturn. It's good, about somewhere between S3 and S2 in style, but without an increase in craftsmanship, it won't recover.
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« Reply #583 on: 09-02-2011 23:19 »

The show is doing fine, gaining more fans, and I've seen A LOT of positive feedback. If anything, the show is going up, not down.
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« Reply #584 on: 09-03-2011 00:17 »

The show is doing fine, gaining more fans, and I've seen A LOT of positive feedback. If anything, the show is going up, not down.

It's not going up. More fans does not equal better. Season 6 has been able to reach the heights that Futurama was capable of before, but not as often. It's also spawned some notable lows. Overall I wouldn't say it's worse but it's on the edge of becoming worse. If you see what I mean.

To be honest, if you don't see what I mean, I don't care. The show has developed writing and stylistic flaws, the fact that more people like it now than did in 2000 is not a measure of quality (if anything it's an indication that the show is drifting towards a dumbed-down and more cartoon-y, slightly less complex and somewhat less commendable overall phase of existance).

Season 7 has to improve, and somehow I don't think that it will. I have low expectations, and sore misgivings for Season 7, based on the execution of Season 6.
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« Reply #585 on: 09-03-2011 00:19 »

I have to agree with Tnuk.  While there have been some pretty great new episodes, there have also been quite a few duds, and it is depressing to think of seasonal rot setting in, and going into decline the way Family Guy and the Simpsons have done. 

Still there are enough great new episodes to balance out the duds.  I do think 6b for me, at least, has been a tremendous disappoitment. 
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« Reply #586 on: 09-03-2011 00:21 »

To be honest, if you don't see what I mean, I don't care. 

Then why bother posting? (And yes, I know what you mean.)
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« Reply #587 on: 09-03-2011 00:28 »

I agree with tnuk too. An increase in fans is by no means an indication of an increase of quality. Quite the contrary.
Else shows like Jersey Shore, Big Brother and other such crap would be the pinnacle of quality TV, since they get huge ratings and a lot of fans.
So considering what kind of shows get the highest ratings on TV these days you should consider that the broad mass of people prefer dumbed down, low quality trash.
Now you could argue, that an increase of the fan-base of Futurama could mean that it also is an increase of dumbed down, low quality trash. And surely some things in the episodes of season 6 do point to that, sadly.

Luckily enough, Futurama can still deliver great TV moments and whole episodes at times too. If only it could do more of the great episodes, and less of the trashy stuff.
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« Reply #588 on: 09-03-2011 06:14 »
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I've enjoyed the last season, but have found Fry to be especially "off". It's hard to place. I've seen people mention him whining more often, which could be the case, but I think it's more than that.

It's almost like the tone of the character, or the attitude of the writers towards the character has changed. Thinking about it more, I believe what made him work as a character was a childlike innocence and enthusiasm (the kind of quality you saw in Homer Simpson in the early episodes). I guess perhaps he got "used" to the future.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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« Reply #589 on: 09-03-2011 12:04 »

Season 6B has come home strong! The last 5 episodes have been the best 'bloc' of episodes since season 3 or 4.

Mobius Dick -> Fry Am The Egg Man -> The Tip Of The Zoidberg -> Cold Warriors -> Overclockwise

I know this isn't the production order... but for me these are 5 of the best episodes in 6a or 6b (with the exception of TLPJF). What a run!
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« Reply #590 on: 09-03-2011 12:08 »

You did say 6B, which is a broadcast season.  Only season 6 is a production season.
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« Reply #591 on: 09-03-2011 22:04 »

I've enjoyed the last season, but have found Fry to be especially "off". It's hard to place. I've seen people mention him whining more often, which could be the case, but I think it's more than that.

It's almost like the tone of the character, or the attitude of the writers towards the character has changed. Thinking about it more, I believe what made him work as a character was a childlike innocence and enthusiasm (the kind of quality you saw in Homer Simpson in the early episodes). I guess perhaps he got "used" to the future.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

I'm not sure, I think Fry still has his childlike enthusiasm and innocence (Fry am the Egg Man, Cold Warriors, Lrr Ndndifferences, and Silence of the Clamps all showed that).  
His childlike enthusism and innocence are what let him survive and adapt to the future so well, since it was bascially like living in the sci fi comics and stories and cartoons he grew up watching.  He was miserable in the 20th century with no friends, no job prospects, a family that barely knew he was alive, and in a relationship with an emotionally abusive harpy who was cheating on him constantly.  

Then the escapist fantasy he's had since he was a child (I've wanted a robot for a friend since I was five) comes true.  Michelle on the other hand, fitted fine in the 20th century (she had friends, a boyfriend she could walk all over, and had everyone around her under her thumb), and waking up in the 31st century and ended up in a world that did not conform to her mundane demands and expectations. (the fact that Fry was happy when she wasn't probably fueled up her already bloated sense of entitlement) 

I can see where you are coming from, but for the most part, the other characters are becoming more cynical and "mean", Leela especially (animal lover who wanted her body to be eaten by an endanagered species goes berserk trying to murder a whale and admits she enjoys stomping puppies).
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« Reply #592 on: 09-04-2011 05:47 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2011 06:12 »

So, bottom line is: Futurama is set in a flexible reality, just that. In Cold Warriors, we've to assume both Zapp and Kif never actually met the guys.
That's the dumbest thing I've read on PEEL from an intelligent poster in... ... ...a while.
Then probably I'm dumb, thank you very much. But if I'm allowed to speak my mind freely, I'm finding extremely dumb the way some of the answers to my post have been just convoluted ways to explain only one of the issues I mentioned, i.e. Kif behaviour in Cold Warriors. Like everything came down to that single scene, which is not the case. The inconsistencies in both the relationships (Fry/Leela, Amy/Kif) are scattered among all season 6B. And with inconsistencies I mean the fact that they have been erased out of existence without any payoff.

So, I'll rephrase this way: the writers are doing such a bad job with relationship consistencies this season it almost feels like Futurama was now suddenly set in a flexible reality.
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Seriously, Futurama's always had a "what has happened, has happened" policy.
Which is precisely what I said, and precisely why I felt the urge to complain to begin with. If I thought Futurama had been always like that, why I should even notice it?

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He doesn't know if Amy's on the ship. For all he knows, she could be on Mars
You've got to be kidding me. I mean, seriously? We should dumb down to the point we have to buy that a character (so far portrayed as a very committed, sweet guy) don't know where his girlfriend is, or don't feel the need to try and contact her during a worldwide crisis which involves her cities being eradicated and hurled into the sun? Do you really sometimes happen to NOT know in what part of the world your boyfriend/girlfriend is? Or better, if you heard your bf/gf's city is being hit by an earthquake, you would just shrug off and think he/she might be elsewhere in the world, so wouldn't bother to check on him/her at all?

Every other "explanation", btw, is just purely speculative. If the writers didn't want for Kif to mention Amy at all for some reason, they should have made it clear why, not just have everyone wonders what's wrong with him, then try to justify him with non-supported theories (I'll add mine: Kif isn't worried about Amy because they broke up offscreen at some point).
What really happened is that they didn't have the time to work in a line by Kif about Amy, yet they wanted to feature him with Zapp. That's why I'd call him a "flexible reality Kif", because in that scene there's no link between Kif and Amy (or Kif and any other element of the show other than Zapp), the character has an entirely different (and throwaway) purpose there. But that's not what we were used to see in Futurama, ergo my disappointment.

And again, that's just one example, in season 6B Amy never mentioned to be in a relationship whatsoever. Why nobody commented on what I said about asking a new viewer who never saw any episode before this season what he/she thinks the characters relationships are?
Even in season 6A, Amy had throwaway lines about Kif every now and then. You could tell Amy was in a relationship even if that wasn't directly shown. That strongly enhanced the sense of reality within the show. Since this is the "everything is worse now" thread, I'm saying this aspect is worse now, because they appear to not care that much about these things anymore. Or at least, not in the case of the relationships, which makes me think they have some problems handling this particular topic.

And obviously you could bet Overclockwise has only managed to aggravate my opinion. There has not been ANYTHING between Fry and Leela all half-season. And suddenly she goes all "we have to talk about our relationship"?! I was, like, "what she's talking about?" (I'm sure our new viewer knowing nothing more than 6B would have a totally WTF moment at that point). Do they have relationship troubles? Good for her to know that, it means Leela got to see some Futurama episodes we didn't get to see, the ones where they're shown together!
That wasn't even a good meta-joke, because it was too painfully acknowledging the bad work they did in portraying the Fry-Leela thing. I reckon there was some dispute about that within the production team, what with Groening not liking it at all and pushing to reset it (according to what he and Cohen said in the movies audio commentaries). But the result has been so half-baked is again an argument in support of the "everything is worse now" theme. Culminating with season 6B not having a single moment of them even remotely portrayed as a couple, then acting like it had in the finale.

And please, did you guys really buy the "on-again off-again" line? That's a defined TV trope, and it's nothing like what has been shown between Fry and Leela. "On-again off-again" is Ross and Rachel from Friends. It's J.D. and Elliot from Scrubs. They date for a while, then decide it doesn't work, then after another while they are just sex buddies, then they call it off, then they are back together for good, except at some point they break-up, and one year later they reignite the relationship, and so on. When you're "on", it has to be clearly acknowledged. When you're "off", the characters have to confront each other on the fact they're breaking up. That's Storytelling 101. Nobody treats his/her partner the way Fry and Leela did in season 6B, i.e. like it's just a friend among the others.
And Leela's goodbye is another hint the writers have some major issues with this (and that's the same show that back in the times did an entire episode about two of the main characters having sex everywhere). Who says goodbye to her lover (and they definitely had sex and definitely enjoyed it in season 6A) by kissing him on the forehead? That strikes me more of something you do to the guy who's in love with you but you can't really consider more than just a good friend/brother. You can have a kiss that's sweet/non-arousing yet at the same time shows that the two characters have been intimate.

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Kif does hesitate. He could have recognised the ship and been about to say something before Zapp smooshes his face onto the button.
Ok, this is driving me mad. Please, all you guys, rewatch the scene. Pretty please.
I'll summarize this way:
- Leela devises a ruse to escape the plastic tent: to have it break open from the outside by provoking Zapp's ship to shoot it.
- Kif: "Captain, a ship is attempting to break the quarantine." (And guys, you know how Kif is doing that thing Spock used to do, where you have a ship on your hi-tech screen and you can tell everything about it, including sub-atomic properties and its FREAKING NAME AND ID CODE? Please don't give me bs about Kif not having a chance to know what that ship was!)
- Zapp: "Blow them to Bac-O bits with a well-placed warning shot."
- Kif: "But..." (Zapp pushes the button)

Maybe it's just me, but within the structure of the scene, that "But" has to be just: "But this would be a stupid move, captain, because there's the plastic tent between us and them, we would just end up opening a breach in it for them to escape the quarantine like they're trying to do indeed." Like, they just explained Leela's plan, then showed Zapp falling for it, and Kif pointing out Zapp's stupidity as he always does. No more, no less.

The only other rational interpretation of that "But" to me would be: "But I've seen that the ship is the Planet Express (even if I didn't find useful to mention it to you in that moment), therefore my beloved girlfriend and/or her friends are probably onboard, and I really want for her to meet her death in the sun." If you like this better. I know it's surreal to me.

Either way, it's just obvious Kif knows that they aren't going to hit the ship at all, because the joke is precisely that only a moron like Zapp wouldn't realize that if you are shooting straight to something that's behind a wall, you will just hit the wall.
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« Reply #593 on: 09-04-2011 13:36 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2011 13:45 »

So much post, yet so wrong.  Obviously Zapp and Kif has met them before.  But it wouldn't be the first time for them to interact with them as government officials rather than acquaintances.

And that makes perfect sense to me.

However, I can see why it bothers some people.  But for that I am going to put it under a goof rather than the writer expecting us to change perception of the interactions between established characters.  I am certain the writers considered it, but realised they had too little time to do a long scene with Zapp and Kif reacting to it being the PE ship.  Furthermore, such a scene would be uninteresting and pointless.  It would serve no actual point to the story.

And considering how tight the episode was despite that, I am glad they didn't waste time on what we already knew.  I am certain they added Kif's slight hesitation as a description (for the keen fans, obviously) for 3 things: 1) his distrust in Zapp's quick decisions (or decisions in general), 2) the problem with this decision in terms of what success it would actually convey and 3) that it was the PE ship they were about to fire at.  While Kif could not know whether or not Amy was on it, it made sense for him to hesitate regardless.
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« Reply #594 on: 09-04-2011 17:30 »

For all who have complained about the amount of montages used in S6-B, here is a comprehensive and surprisingly long video of every montage strung together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukjoSsNx8Ss
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« Reply #595 on: 09-04-2011 17:44 »

For all who have complained about the amount of montages used in S6-B, here is a comprehensive and surprisingly long video of every montage strung together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukjoSsNx8Ss

Yes, homerjaysimpson made it... From PEEL...
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« Reply #596 on: 09-04-2011 17:59 »

I don't think it would have been a pointless scene, as it would have given some more oomph to Kif's character.   It didn't have to be long, but it would be better then Kif's feeble "but".  We've all seen that the only time Kif will ever man up and stand up to Zapp is when Amy is in danger or something similar.   At the end of the day, not only has Amy been a passenger on that ship (including times when Kif himself was also a passenger), she has also piloted it to meet him at one point.  It's just another case of the writers sacrificing characterization and continuity for a cheap joke/faster pacing.    They could have had Kif desperately trying to stop Zapp from stepping the button, and then at the last minute, Francine or someone presses it while they are struggling.   It would have just felt less jarring.   I know if my soulmate was in a city about to be hurled into the sun, or we were about to blow a ship she has been a passenger on/a plot of, I would have a considerably less feeble reaction.
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« Reply #597 on: 09-04-2011 22:09 »

All this talk about things writers could have done or should have done makes me want to listen to the commentary and see if they actually mention anything like this. Not only for that reason, though, I just want to listen to the commentary. I want this season to come out on DVD, please.
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« Reply #598 on: 09-05-2011 17:16 »


When did you change your avatar?

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« Reply #599 on: 09-05-2011 17:33 »

I dunno, a few days ago. I was doodling and I drew myself, and I figured it looked better than the mediocre Futurama-style drawing I made like two and a half years ago. So I colored it and shrunk it.  tongue
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