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« on: 06-25-2011 17:22 »
« Last Edit on: 07-07-2011 09:57 by futurefreak »

[edit by mArc: I took this part out of the Benderama review thread as it was not about Benderama as such anymore. Hope I didn't butcher the thread too much, but it was getting hard to read the reviews.]


Someone's on her period...
Nahhh I just hold Futurama to higher standards than new Simpsons.

Gorky: I was going to point out that Kardashian reference but you did it for me. It's ok for a cheap laugh the first time, but I don't know, it just annoys me that that reference would be made 1000 years later. Yes I know Bender reference Christina Aguilera in Bendin in the Wind. Didn't they mention that on the commentary? Like he meant her head. Not sure.

So it's ok if they meant Aguilera's head but not the Kardashian's heads?
Sorry man but after reading through your complaints about the last two eps I can safely say that you are far too critical. I'm sure you've seen every episode of the show as many times as I have, but you seem to place the original run on this pedestal. The truth is there were a lot of mediocre episodes in seasons 1-4 too, people gotta take off their blinders. The show is amazing, but it's NEVER been 100% gold
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« Reply #1 on: 06-25-2011 17:31 »

Sorry man but after reading through your complaints about the last two eps I can safely say that you are far too critical. I'm sure you've seen every episode of the show as many times as I have, but you seem to place the original run on this pedestal. The truth is there were a lot of mediocre episodes in seasons 1-4 too, people gotta take off their blinders. The show is amazing, but it's NEVER been 100% gold

I agree. It does seem that the original run has been put on a pedestal, not only by futurefreak but by a LOT of people who post here.  I watched it too, when the episodes first aired, and in my opinion the average quality of the show now is just the same as it was back then, with a mix of great episodes, average ones and stinkers -- just like it was in past seasons.
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« Reply #2 on: 06-25-2011 19:26 »

Someone's on her period...
Nahhh I just hold Futurama to higher standards than new Simpsons.

Gorky: I was going to point out that Kardashian reference but you did it for me. It's ok for a cheap laugh the first time, but I don't know, it just annoys me that that reference would be made 1000 years later. Yes I know Bender reference Christina Aguilera in Bendin in the Wind. Didn't they mention that on the commentary? Like he meant her head. Not sure.

So it's ok if they meant Aguilera's head but not the Kardashian's heads?
I was mentioning it before someone brought it up to counter me. My point being, I thought after they realized it the first run they wouldn't rely on those jokes anymore. Once in a while is ok but how many people here complained of the Susan Boyle reference?

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Sorry man but after reading through your complaints about the last two eps I can safely say that you are far too critical. I'm sure you've seen every episode of the show as many times as I have,
More, I'm sure.
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but you seem to place the original run on this pedestal. The truth is there were a lot of mediocre episodes in seasons 1-4 too, people gotta take off their blinders.
You seem to misunderstand my concerns. All shows get cancelled, the matter at hand is when. Some shows get cancelled in their prime when they're still good (Arrested Development) while others drag on for years after many die hard fans lost interest (The Simpsons). I don't want that to happen to Futurama. I love the show too much and have invested nearly every aspect of my life into it. When two episodes become subpar I start to worry, especially when I ask of the one when it it's going to be over.

I realize not everyone is as dedicated as I am, but when everyone went through all this effort to bring it back, at least make it worthwhile.
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The show is amazing, but it's NEVER been 100% gold
I disagree with this sentiment so much.
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« Reply #3 on: 06-25-2011 19:58 »

futurefreak: i doubt very much so that you have spent as much money on futurama as i. i reckon that i've also watched the show moreso than you too.

with that said, a lot of fans comments are overly critical. it's as if they forgot why they liked futurama in the first place. these last two episodes fit right into past episodes, no doubt about it. however, when one watches the old episodes, they are putting them on a pedestal like folks do for the original series of Trek, or the first three seasons of MASH.

every episode cannot be an epic space opera, as that would get old quick; and the show would plain run out of ideas, as well. as for myself, i love every episode(besides aotka and p∞). that includes such nerdlinger favorites as 'i dated a robot', 'bender should not be allowed on tv', 'a leela of her own', 'bendin' in the wind', and BOTH Harold Zoid episodes. i just like anything in the sci-fi universe. every episode further expands on this universe, and we learn more and more regardless of how well the plot is(college kids seem to focus on the plots too much, imo).

anyways, end rant. the show was brought back by fans like me too. so get your heads out of your arses and enjoy it like you used to.
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« Reply #4 on: 06-25-2011 20:25 »

futurefreak: i doubt very much so that you have spent as much money on futurama as i. i reckon that i've also watched the show moreso than you too.
Even though I doubt this statement, I don't see where it falls with your argument. You're trying to equate more money spent = bigger fan. That's a very dangerous route. Many on here ar die hard fans and do not own the merchandise because their money goes to like, rent and stuff. One member on here played the opening theme song at the reception at her wedding. But she didn't buy the merchandise so I guess she's not a true fan in your eyes.

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with that said, a lot of fans comments are overly critical. it's as if they forgot why they liked futurama in the first place.
If you bothered to read any of my previous comments on other episodes, you would see that I generally enjoyed the first 13 episodes back from the movies. There were some I found way more entertainining than others, but none that I couldn't wait to be over.
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these last two episodes fit right into past episodes, no doubt about it.
I don't think you actually know the characters. I felt Leela was completely out of character in Neutopia. She didn't even put up that much of a fight.
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however, when one watches the old episodes, they are putting them on a pedestal like folks do for the original series of Trek, or the first three seasons of MASH.
I've never seen MASH and I am a little confused by your Trek comment. Do you mean just TOS or comparing later series to the original?
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every episode cannot be an epic space opera, as that would get old quick; and the show would plain run out of ideas, as well.
Epic space soap opera? Ugh, that leaves a bad taste on my mouth.
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as for myself, i love every episode(besides aotka and p∞). that includes such nerdlinger favorites as 'i dated a robot', 'bender should not be allowed on tv', 'a leela of her own', 'bendin' in the wind', and BOTH Harold Zoid episodes. i just like anything in the sci-fi universe. every episode further expands on this universe, and we learn more and more regardless of how well the plot is(college kids seem to focus on the plots too much, imo).
I already graduated college, but thanks for the generalization.
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anyways, end rant. the show was brought back by fans like me too. so get your heads out of your arses and enjoy it like you used to.
Please only rant toward others when you know what you're talking about. The show was brought back by more than just you throwing money at the latest merch (which I do as well, just check my posts and pics in the PE Stockroom). Ultimately, the show came back by getting the word out. DVD sales of the movies helped a lot, especially when fans told friends to get their butts on watching it. My existence since Futurama has been to get the word out. Aside from sportin' the Futurama tees almos everywhere I go, I started the largest Futurama group on facebook, which now has over 20,000 members, thanks it part to me initirally getting the word out.

You're welcome.     
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« Reply #5 on: 06-25-2011 20:28 »

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every episode cannot be an epic space opera, as that would get old quick; and the show would plain run out of ideas, as well.
Epic space soap opera? Ugh, that leaves a bad taste on my mouth.

He said epic space opera, not epic space soap opera. Quick a distinction.
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« Reply #6 on: 06-25-2011 20:30 »

My apologies, I am riding on an Amtrak as we type on the way to see a fellow PEELer. I still don't see how it would be one, though. Aside from Devil's Hands of course.
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« Reply #7 on: 06-25-2011 20:32 »

Maybe you should check out what a space opera is, futurefreak. Wikipedia is your friend.

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Space opera is a subgenre of speculative fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing advanced technologies and abilities. The term has no relation to music and it is analogous to "soap opera" (see below). Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very large-scale.
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« Reply #8 on: 06-25-2011 20:37 »

Sorry man but after reading through your complaints about the last two eps I can safely say that you are far too critical. I'm sure you've seen every episode of the show as many times as I have, but you seem to place the original run on this pedestal. The truth is there were a lot of mediocre episodes in seasons 1-4 too, people gotta take off their blinders. The show is amazing, but it's NEVER been 100% gold

I agree. It does seem that the original run has been put on a pedestal, not only by futurefreak but by a LOT of people who post here.  I watched it too, when the episodes first aired, and in my opinion the average quality of the show now is just the same as it was back then, with a mix of great episodes, average ones and stinkers -- just like it was in past seasons.
Exactly. I couldn't have said it better than this.

I adore the original run, but people need to take off the nostalgia goggles. Yes, the type of humour has changed now somewhat, and different strokes for different folks and all... But really, the "hit/miss ratio" (if you will) is on par with the original series. And frankly, it's absolutely incredible for a series to accomplish that.
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« Reply #9 on: 06-25-2011 20:42 »

I agree too. Season 6 for has actually been on par with the original series in my opinion - some misses (IAGDL, AotKA, tFHS) and some wins (LI, tLPJF, tPoB, B). It does however seem like fleasheatingbull is just accusing anyone with criticism to be putting TOS on a pedestal. I for example was called a "college kid" and not a real fan for criticising Neutopia, when all I said was I thought it was weaker than usual (and I still praised Benderama alongside multiple other season 6 episodes).

In conclusion: Yeah, many fans put TOS on a pedestal and don't see how great season 6 is. But others are just criticising the new episodes like they would criticise any episode.
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« Reply #10 on: 06-25-2011 20:48 »

every episode cannot be an epic space opera, as that would get old quick; and the show would plain run out of ideas, as well. as for myself, i love every episode(besides aotka and p∞). that includes such nerdlinger favorites as 'i dated a robot', 'bender should not be allowed on tv', 'a leela of her own', 'bendin' in the wind', and BOTH Harold Zoid episodes.
... "Such nerdlinger favorites"? Those are all episodes that most posters here would not at all include in their "favorites" (although I'm a fan of Bendin' in the Wind and That's Lobstertainment, I'm not going to act delusion as if everybody else is a fan of them).
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« Reply #11 on: 06-25-2011 20:49 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2011 11:26 by [-mArc-] »

ff: the point i was making with my comment about watching futurama more than you was in direct correlation to your comment here:

Sorry man but after reading through your complaints about the last two eps I can safely say that you are far too critical. I'm sure you've seen every episode of the show as many times as I have,

More, I'm sure.

it doesn't matter, but you seem to take pride in that. i'm here to tell you that there are people that may not be known to you that know more about futurama than you, like me. fact.

as for the rest of your rant, you seem to have taken my broad generalization of many futurama fans to heart. it was not a personal attack on you.

also, you clearly BELIEVE you know the characters better than the writers, which is laughable. your college degree in liberal arts does shine through clearly, though.

don't take my comments for hate, buddy. a fan of futurama is a friend of mine.
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« Reply #12 on: 06-25-2011 20:51 »

every episode cannot be an epic space opera, as that would get old quick; and the show would plain run out of ideas, as well. as for myself, i love every episode(besides aotka and p∞). that includes such nerdlinger favorites as 'i dated a robot', 'bender should not be allowed on tv', 'a leela of her own', 'bendin' in the wind', and BOTH Harold Zoid episodes.
... "Such nerdlinger favorites"? Those are all episodes that most posters here would not at all include in their "favorites" (although I'm a fan of Bendin' in the Wind and That's Lobstertainment, I'm not going to act delusion as if everybody else is a fan of them).

yes, it was a subtle joke, fren.
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« Reply #13 on: 06-25-2011 20:52 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2011 11:31 by [-mArc-] »

every episode cannot be an epic space opera, as that would get old quick; and the show would plain run out of ideas, as well. as for myself, i love every episode(besides aotka and p∞). that includes such nerdlinger favorites as 'i dated a robot', 'bender should not be allowed on tv', 'a leela of her own', 'bendin' in the wind', and BOTH Harold Zoid episodes.
... "Such nerdlinger favorites"? Those are all episodes that most posters here would not at all include in their "favorites" (although I'm a fan of Bendin' in the Wind and That's Lobstertainment, I'm not going to act delusion as if everybody else is a fan of them).

yes, it was a subtle joke, fren.
I don't understand you then, because before you've listed some of these episodes in your favorites or as great episodes.


First, never say you know the most about Futurama. Never do that in any nerd community, because you will be eaten alive.


Second, [did not have much to do with the thread -- mArc]
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« Reply #14 on: 06-25-2011 20:53 »

Maybe you should check out what a space opera is, futurefreak. Wikipedia is your friend.

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Space opera is a subgenre of speculative fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing advanced technologies and abilities. The term has no relation to music and it is analogous to "soap opera" (see below). Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very large-scale.

correct. an example of an epic space opera would be movies 2 and 4, the late philip j fry, hell, even 'time keeps on slippin'.
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« Reply #15 on: 06-25-2011 20:56 »

yes, it was a subtle joke, fren.

I didn't get the joke either. I understood it like flesheatingbull was being snarky and meant that while they are not popular in general, "true" fans all love "A Leela of Her Own" and "Bendin' in the Wind".

First, never say you know the most about Futurama. Never do that in any nerd community, because you will be eaten alive.

I loled so hard at this comment. I remember when I first started hanging out here and at the Infosphere and thought I knew everything for the first few seconds.  laff
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« Reply #16 on: 06-25-2011 20:59 »
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I don't understand you then, because before you've listed some of these episodes in your favorites or as great episodes.


First, never say you know the most about Futurama. Never do that in any nerd community, because you will be eaten alive.


that's because i was using those episodes as examples of episodes that i thoroughly like and consider classic episodes. if you still don't get my initial point, nevermind.

for your second comment: i don't know the most about futurama, just more than 99.∞% of people.

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« Reply #17 on: 06-25-2011 21:01 »

Once in a while is ok but how many people here complained of the Susan Boyle reference?

Not disagreeing with you or anything, but you realize that these episodes were made in the same production run... so they weren't really sure if people would like either joke.
 
But really, the "hit/miss ratio" (if you will) is on par with the original series. And frankly, it's absolutely incredible for a series to accomplish that.

Agreed. Even Family Guy came back miles worse whenever it made it's return, when it's early episodes are pretty easy to follow up on.

I think it's possible that if they did some of these episodes during the original run, we would still point out the average/ sub-par episode... But I don't think there would be as much, for the lack of a better word, outrage here.
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« Reply #18 on: 06-25-2011 21:02 »

yes, it was a subtle joke, fren.

I didn't get the joke either. I understood it like flesheatingbull was being snarky and meant that while they are not popular in general, "true" fans all love "A Leela of Her Own" and "Bendin' in the Wind".

First, never say you know the most about Futurama. Never do that in any nerd community, because you will be eaten alive.

I loled so hard at this comment. I remember when I first started hanging out here and at the Infosphere and thought I knew everything for the first few seconds.  laff

anyone that loves futurama is a true fan, regardless of what they get out of it. it's just when one thinks that their opinion of what the show should be is the end all that FEB gets upset.
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« Reply #19 on: 06-25-2011 21:02 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2011 11:30 by [-mArc-] »

yes, it was a subtle joke, fren.

I didn't get the joke either. I understood it like flesheatingbull was being snarky and meant that while they are not popular in general, "true" fans all love "A Leela of Her Own" and "Bendin' in the Wind".

First, never say you know the most about Futurama. Never do that in any nerd community, because you will be eaten alive.

I loled so hard at this comment. I remember when I first started hanging out here and at the Infosphere and thought I knew everything for the first few seconds.  laff

anyone that loves futurama is a true fan, regardless of what they get out of it. it's just when one thinks that their opinion of what the show should be is the end all that FEB gets upset.
Wait a second, weren't you the one saying you had superior knowledge of Futurama?
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« Reply #20 on: 06-25-2011 21:03 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2011 11:30 by [-mArc-] »

for your second comment: i don't know the most about futurama, just more than 99.∞% of people.

Are you just bad at math, or are you trying another joke?
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« Reply #21 on: 06-25-2011 21:05 »

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as for the rest of your rant, you seem to have taken my broad
generalization of many futurama fans to heart. it was not a
personal attack on you.

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also, you clearly BELIEVE you know the characters better than the
writers, which is laughable. your college degree in liberal arts does
shine through clearly, though.
That sounds pretty personal to me.

I didn't graduate in liberal arts, but thanks for the generalization again.
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« Reply #22 on: 06-25-2011 21:10 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2011 11:33 by [-mArc-] »

also, they can sue me all they want. i am a paying, dedicated, loyal fan.

weiner's point wasn't that they shouldn't sue you because you are nice. His point was that you should thank Fox, not the Infosphere and PEEL. And for that matter (imho), you should thank Futurama's crew and not us. We are just the guys doing screenshots, they did the actual thing.

Are you just bad at math, or are you trying another joke?

Neither. Now answer me.
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« Reply #23 on: 06-27-2011 05:12 »

Woh, woh, woh, this is crazy. Are there seriously people who've watched Prisoner of Benda, and TLPJF who say that the newer episodes represent a decline in quality?

As I see it (and we all know that my opinion of anything is worth the opinions of twenty of the rest of you mindless apes), we have production season 6 with three of the best episodes of the entire run (Inspection, Benda, TLPJF), two of the worst (AotKA, IaGDL), five solid episodes (Rebirth, Origin, Revolting, Benderama, Neutopia), and four not-that-great episodes (Prop Infinity, Lrreconcilable, TDK and Duh-Vinci). That represents a good cross-section of the show as a whole. If you poll fans for their five favourite episodes, some of them are going to come from production season 6.

Most of season 6 feels very much like the original run of the show so far. It's the nitpickers and naysayers to that who are not really fans of the show. They're fans of the ideals they ascribed to the show in between cancellation and the movies being released. They're fans of what they want from the show, and we've all seen where blatant fanservice for the sake of it leads to... look at The Simpsons.

Futurama is as nerdy, as funny, as subtle (in parts), as shippy (some episodes) and as well-produced as it ever was. The show is still mostly produced by the same team, still voiced by the same team, still drawn by the same team, and still written by most of the best writers from the original run (and it's worth noticing that some of the best episodes and the worst are written by the same writers).

It's still about the same people, it's still got the same basic qualities as it had when it began. What's changed is that certain fans have become more spoiled and whiny as time has passed, and think of themselves not only as the entire fanbase to whom the writers ought to be appealing 100% of the time but also as the individual responsible for this-and-that which they see as integral to the return of the show.

Let me point out to those people that Futurama came back (the movies) because of strong DVD and merchandise sales, coupled with the efforts of DXC and MG... not because of anything we did. We watched, we consumed, we did what we'd've done anyways. The real work was put in by DXC and MG. Then, following the movies, they put MORE work in, trying to find a network who would pick up the license so they could produce more Futurama. Which ultimately bore fruit. In amongst this, fan activity certainly helped, in that fans bought DVDs and merchandise. We bought like crazy. But that's what fans do. Fans have put far more effort into trying to resurrect Firefly following the release of Serenity. However, the show's creators and license holders chose to channel their efforts elsewhere. This and poor Box Office and DVD sales means that so far the efforts of their fans have come to naught. Despite those efforts being absolutely transcredible.

We, the fans, are owed nothing by the producers of Futurama. They've put as much of their blood and sweat into it as they could. We owe them.

Overall, they're doing just as much of a brilliant job as they ever did.
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« Reply #24 on: 06-27-2011 05:21 »

Personally, I felt last season was at a quality level around Season 2: had some spectacular episodes, some big stinkers, but overall just alright. I don't think that everything is worse now (as the title of this spliced thread paraphrases), but I didn't really think that these two episodes that premiered Thursday were likely to be the glowing prime examples of the season's quality. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season knowing that this production season did produce what is now possibly my all-time favorite episode: The Prisoner of Benda.


Second, [did not have much to do with the thread -- mArc]
My post, my beautiful post! And what did you do to my edits?!
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« Reply #25 on: 06-27-2011 05:24 »
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Personally, I felt last season was at a quality level around Season 2: had some spectacular episodes, some big stinkers, but overall just alright.

Indeed, there's always been a noticable proportion of episodes here and there that weren't so good... and there are gems lurking in between the rotten eggs as well. I feel a diagram coming on.

Edit: Here it is.



Please note that copying and defacing this diagram in any way will be treated as an attack on my intellectual property and I shall be forced to contact my legal team to instigate procedures against the offending party.
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« Reply #26 on: 06-27-2011 10:29 »

Well guys, I've said what I needed to say. It's my opinion. Hooray for diversity! smile
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« Reply #27 on: 06-27-2011 10:46 »

I like Season 6... And 1... And 2... And 3... And, well you get the picture. tongue
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« Reply #28 on: 06-27-2011 10:49 »
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Take that, Seasons 4 and 5! Burn in hell!

Also, I'd contend that the curve for Season 3 should be the other way. It started and ended strong, with episodes like Fryish at the beginning and Roswell at the end.


This is General Disscussion's 230,000th post!
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« Reply #29 on: 06-27-2011 10:59 »

Take that, Seasons 4 and 5! Burn in hell!

Season 4 has my 2 favourite eps, and Season 5 is all the movies, so yeah, they rock too. tongue
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« Reply #30 on: 06-27-2011 14:50 »
« Last Edit on: 06-27-2011 15:29 by totalnerduk »

Take that, Seasons 4 and 5! Burn in hell!

Also, I'd contend that the curve for Season 3 should be the other way. It started and ended strong, with episodes like Fryish at the beginning and Roswell at the end.


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It's intended to give the flavour of multiple ups and downs, not to be specific. I just basically drew a squiggle and copypasted it in, in multiple orientations, then joined up the ends.
Well guys, I've said what I needed to say. It's my opinion. Hooray for diversity! smile

I contend the following:

  • It didn't need to be said.
  • Your opinion is flawed

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  • Diversity within, for example, a species can be helpful to survival. It promotes competition within the gene pool and helps to avoid the problems that come with sustained inbreeding. However, within a fan community diversity simply means petty arguments are going to crop up more and more often. If you're (and this is the generic "you" not the specific "you") a hardcore devoted group then you've much more of a chance of keeping an "endangered" show on the air. If you're a scattered loose coalition of nerds with skin problems then you're less likely to be able to come together and form a single, coherent voice. What you get is the overall message that you'd like a show which is down to earth but off the wall and swarming with magic robots.

If you're a fan, great. Enjoy the show. It's back, and it's quite frankly beautiful. If you don't agree, then I suggest you watch Lethal Inspection. Or Prisoner of Benda. Or The Late Philip J. Fry. Then go watch War is the H-Word, or Fry and the Slurm Factory, or Mars University, or Raging Bender, or the 30% Iron Chef. Notice how these are all decent episodes, but the ones I've named from Season 6 happen to outshine them? That's because the ones from Season 6 are great episodes.

You might find it harder to keep thinking of the overall quality of the show as sliding once you start to watch them comparatively. Or you might be particularly closed-minded on this issue. I dunno. But it's a serious suggestion. Watch the S6 greats. The "A" list. Then watch the "B" list from previous seasons. It really helps you gain some perspective (and you don't need to feed yourself into a vortex derived from an extrapolative matrix to do so) on the issue.

Now, I think I'm going to use the CGEF ratings to compile a more specific graph just to ram home the point I'm trying to make here, and then I'll be done with this thread.

Edit: and here it is



Weiner, I hope you're happy with that, 'cause I'm not making another.
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« Reply #31 on: 06-27-2011 17:04 »

Christ TNUK, you can make anything... eek
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« Reply #32 on: 06-27-2011 17:29 »

Christ TNUK

I'm flattered, but just "tnuk" will do. tongue
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« Reply #33 on: 06-27-2011 17:47 »

how long did it take for you to choose the 'science' font? looks good, btw.
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« Reply #34 on: 06-27-2011 17:57 »

how long did it take for you to choose the 'science' font? looks good, btw.

I knew which font I was going to use as soon as I thought of overlaying the text. "SCIENCE!" and gothic lettering just seem to go so well together. I have no concrete idea why, but I think it might vaguely have something to do with my love of the various black-and-white adaptations of Frankenstein.
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« Reply #35 on: 06-27-2011 18:14 »

I was just letting the dude/dudette know, shmeesh. no no

And for the record, ALL FUTURAMA IS WORTH MORE THAN 30 MINUTES OF MY DAY.
But I am programmed to be very busy! lol jk but its sad seeing the series like this, so thats mostly why I said it. (I never miss a Futurama episode though!)

why is it sad? what do you mean watcha-call-it... dude?

EDIT: and also why is the infosphere saying that god was in Benderama ??
Seeing a good series turning into another Family Guy. We liked Futurama As it Was. I would rather prefer 4 more movies not "these Family Guy Sequels."
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« Reply #36 on: 06-27-2011 18:25 »

I was just letting the dude/dudette know, shmeesh. no no

And for the record, ALL FUTURAMA IS WORTH MORE THAN 30 MINUTES OF MY DAY.
But I am programmed to be very busy! lol jk but its sad seeing the series like this, so thats mostly why I said it. (I never miss a Futurama episode though!)

why is it sad? what do you mean watcha-call-it... dude?

EDIT: and also why is the infosphere saying that god was in Benderama ??
Seeing a good series turning into another Family Guy. We liked Futurama As it Was. I would rather prefer 4 more movies not "these Family Guy Sequels."

The four movies were pretty hit-and-miss. The stuff we've got now feels very much on the same level as the original run... more so than the movies (except for ITWGY) IMO. Futurama as it was is pretty much the same as Futurama as it is.

If you think the show is turning into Family Guy, then I'd advise you to... oh hell, I'm just going to link you to it rather than type it out again. Season 6 has a bunch of great episodes already, and it's not even over. It's still got the same elements that attracted all of us to Futurama initially, and it holds up well against the original run when you watch, say, a couple of S2 or S3 episodes then watch an S6.


Those calling themselves "true", "dedicated" and "diehard" fans panning this episode should take a good, long, hard look at themselves. The series isn't falling into the crapper. It's going in a slightly different direction but retains the qualities that attracted everyone here to it to begin with. It's got a blend of sci-fi and comedy, it's got a fantastically characterised and played set of characters. It's got a lot of heart and soul, and it's got the balls to be totally and utterly stupid with it.

Rather than being sad to see the series "like this", you should be overjoyed that it's back, it's largely unaltered, and it's continuing to deliver. Oh good God. I just made a delivery pun. I think I need to lie down.
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« Reply #37 on: 06-27-2011 18:26 »

I thought BBS had a very original Futurama feel...

But maybe that's just because it was the ep/movie that got me hooked. tongue
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« Reply #38 on: 06-27-2011 18:39 »

I thought BBS had a very original Futurama feel...

But maybe that's just because it was the ep/movie that got me hooked. tongue

I'll admit that parts of BBS were very much in the same vein as the original run of the series, but overall it just didn't quite capture the same feel for me as, say, SP3K or TKOS. The scope of the film (4 times as long as an individual episode) may have had something to do with this, but as well as the "feel" being just a tiny bit off, I really hated the nudists. For me, it captured the classic feel of Futurama at certain points, then lost it again at others, which is why I described the movies as hit-and-miss. TBWABB was slightly closer in feel, but I didn't care as much for the plot, and BG's fantasy segment was just such a departure from anything resembling previous Futurama episodes in both style and content that the last time I watched it, I skipped that part entirely. Although, I do like the dragon fight. That part works for me.

Part of it may be that it was an obvious LOTR parody in many places, and Futurama works best when not making obvious parodies.

ITWGY and Rebirth for me felt like the writers settling back into the saddle... and following episodes such as Lethal Inspection and Prisoner of Benda would seem to confirm that they've hit their stride again. People complaining that the series is "becoming a new Family Guy" have either not watched the best that S6 has delivered, or have not watched the worst of the original run for some time. The only grievance I have (and it's a slight one, it only applies to two or three episodes) is the pop culture references that will very quickly become dated. But the original run had a few of those, too.

The "original feel" of Futurama wasn't lost at any point. It's there to a greater or lesser degree throughout the entire continuity. It's just harder to see when characters suddenly start talking about things like Susan Boyle or the Kardashians. Of course, if it really were becoming a Family Guy clone, we'd see cutaway "gags" to these things every time they were mentioned, with various degrees of shock or dissonance based humour thrown in to make sure that we get it's meant to be funny. That's something which is notably absent (thank God) from Futurama to date.
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« Reply #39 on: 06-27-2011 19:03 »

Take that, Seasons 4 and 5! Burn in hell!

Also, I'd contend that the curve for Season 3 should be the other way. It started and ended strong, with episodes like Fryish at the beginning and Roswell at the end.


This is General Disscussion's 230,000th post!

It's intended to give the flavour of multiple ups and downs, not to be specific. I just basically drew a squiggle and copypasted it in, in multiple orientations, then joined up the ends.
Well guys, I've said what I needed to say. It's my opinion. Hooray for diversity! smile

I contend the following:

  • It didn't need to be said.
  • Your opinion is flawed

and

  • Diversity within, for example, a species can be helpful to survival. It promotes competition within the gene pool and helps to avoid the problems that come with sustained inbreeding. However, within a fan community diversity simply means petty arguments are going to crop up more and more often. If you're (and this is the generic "you" not the specific "you") a hardcore devoted group then you've much more of a chance of keeping an "endangered" show on the air. If you're a scattered loose coalition of nerds with skin problems then you're less likely to be able to come together and form a single, coherent voice. What you get is the overall message that you'd like a show which is down to earth but off the wall and swarming with magic robots.

If you're a fan, great. Enjoy the show. It's back, and it's quite frankly beautiful. If you don't agree, then I suggest you watch Lethal Inspection. Or Prisoner of Benda. Or The Late Philip J. Fry. Then go watch War is the H-Word, or Fry and the Slurm Factory, or Mars University, or Raging Bender, or the 30% Iron Chef. Notice how these are all decent episodes, but the ones I've named from Season 6 happen to outshine them? That's because the ones from Season 6 are great episodes.

You might find it harder to keep thinking of the overall quality of the show as sliding once you start to watch them comparatively. Or you might be particularly closed-minded on this issue. I dunno. But it's a serious suggestion. Watch the S6 greats. The "A" list. Then watch the "B" list from previous seasons. It really helps you gain some perspective (and you don't need to feed yourself into a vortex derived from an extrapolative matrix to do so) on the issue.

Now, I think I'm going to use the CGEF ratings to compile a more specific graph just to ram home the point I'm trying to make here, and then I'll be done with this thread.

Edit: and here it is



Weiner, I hope you're happy with that, 'cause I'm not making another.

Honestly, I think Futurama's episode quality has always been all over the place, even in the original run too. I consider two of the movies to be the lowest point of Futurama myself, but come on guys, even the worst episodes of Futurama have some good moments. Also, sorry to be nitpicky with the graph here, but I think The Cryonic Woman should be A Leela Of Her Own? Otherwise, great evidence there totalnerduk! I respect what you did here.
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