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i_c_weiner

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« Reply #40 on: 06-24-2011 11:17 »

As far as we know, Scruffy wasn't turned back into a man; this episode happens before Neutopia.

Then why did it air after Neutopia? confused
Look at the production codes. Benderama is 17, Neutopia is 20. Comedy Central just decided to air this broadcast season out of production order.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #41 on: 06-24-2011 11:18 »

Ugh all this production / broadcast / volume / DVD order is retarded. no no
What up?

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« Reply #42 on: 06-24-2011 11:24 »

OMG I LOVE FARNSWORTH'S LAUGH XD   just that topped it off for me loool
Smarty

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« Reply #43 on: 06-24-2011 12:17 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2011 12:23 »

Look at the production codes. Benderama is 17, Neutopia is 20. Comedy Central just decided to air this broadcast season out of production order.

In a way, I feel like that was a mistake. Benderama would have been a much stronger season opener than Neutopia, which to me felt like almost like a throw-away episode in comparison (not saying I didn't like it, just that it wasn't as structure as this one).
MightyBooshFan91

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« Reply #44 on: 06-24-2011 12:41 »

It was good, but not great.
Too many dick jokes and references to stuff that people in the future shouldn't be aware of *cough*kardashians*cough*. I think the old Fox censors used to force them to be more creative with the dialogue and now they can get away with more stuff, they're just being lazy imo.
All in all, it's trying too hard to be like ComedyCentral's other shows than just the Futurama of old.
There were a few chuckles and laughs but nothing compared the original series. Too much of the episode was devoted to the huge ugly guy and making fun of him rather than showing the Benders destroy the world and then they left for no reason.
Still, an improvement on Neutopia's lazy sterotype jokes
6.5/10
Svip

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« Reply #45 on: 06-24-2011 12:41 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2011 12:44 »

It seems like Comedy Central tries to open with a weak and a strong episode each time.  Apparently they got the order wrong this time, but oh well.

I liked this one.  Excellent performances and I did not think its pacing was off for once.  In fact, pacing-wise, it felt like a season 4 episode.

Verdict: A must re-watch.

Too many dick jokes

There were two dick jokes, I could count.  And the one with Zoidberg and Hermes seemed appropriate because they were drunk.  In fact, I loved Zoidberg's expression when he saw the picture.

and references to stuff that people in the future shouldn't be aware of *cough*kardashians*cough*.

Which is something Futurama has done for years.  This is nothing new.  I suppose the argument is that Fry knows about it, but the Kardashians first became popular after he went to the future.  Maybe he kept taps on what happened.  Or they have become popular again in the future (which is not new for Futurama either; or do you also feel Beck was an inappropriate choice in "Bendin' in the Wind"?).
EvilChicken

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« Reply #46 on: 06-24-2011 13:15 »

I loved this episode!
Watching the crew inebriated was hilarious, I found Fry calling Bender Blender really funny for some reason and Linda and Morbo were brilliant drunk!

Overall I would give this episode a 8/10!




Oh yeah,
I thought that when the Banach–Tarski Paradox is activated and scanning, it reflects off the inside of Bender therefore scanning itself as well as Bender. That's how I see it anyway.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #47 on: 06-24-2011 14:04 »

Awesomely fun hilarious episode! Bender being lazy and cloning himsef and his clones are just as lazy as he is! Then this clones wreck havoc and drink all the alcohol! THe Scary Door scene was funny and the part where the Benders got small and everyone was crushing them kept me laughing! Anything Bender related rocks! Patton Oswalt was in rare form as the giant. Liked how everyone was drunk and Morbo and Linda drunk was funny! The battle between Bender and the giant was reminicient of Godzilla or King Kong. What was that song that was played in it?

Really awesome cool episode! Bender is great! 5/5
winna

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« Reply #48 on: 06-24-2011 14:51 »

Ugh all this production / broadcast / volume / DVD order is retarded. no no

No it isn't.  And if you don't keep track, you're no nerdlinger at all!
DannyJC13

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« Reply #49 on: 06-24-2011 15:03 »

Ugh all this production / broadcast / volume / DVD order is retarded. no no

No it isn't.  And if you don't keep track, you're no nerdlinger at all!

I do, but only with the Production order... hmpf
Gorky

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« Reply #50 on: 06-24-2011 15:56 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2011 15:57 »

Same here. Trying to remember the order in which Fox chose to originally air the episodes will just make your head explode. I hope Comedy Central releases Volume Six with the episodes in production order, just the keep the pattern going, but that probably won't happen.

On topic: I'm rewatching "Benderama" at some point today, to see if it's really got the edge on "Neutopia" (not like it matters, since overall I found both episodes enjoyable; it just seems that the consensus here is that the former is better than the latter).

Also, this:

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Which is something Futurama has done for years.  This is nothing new.  I suppose the argument is that Fry knows about it, but the Kardashians first became popular after he went to the future.  Maybe he kept taps on what happened.  Or they have become popular again in the future (which is not new for Futurama either; or do you also feel Beck was an inappropriate choice in "Bendin' in the Wind"?).

In terms of the quality of the reference, though, Beck will probably be more culturally relevant than the Kardashians in the long term. Meaning that I can rewatch "Bendin' In the Wind" and "Benderama" a decade from now--finding Beck's utilization in the former amusing, and rolling my eyes at the mention of the Kardashians in the latter (though, in fairness, I groaned at the Kardashian joke when I watched it last night anyway).
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #51 on: 06-24-2011 17:18 »

Comedy Central doesn't release the DVDs, Fox Home Entertainment does. They'll be in the right production order for them. I mean, have they ever not been on the DVDs?


Also, Danny, if you had really only kept up with the production order, you would've thought tonight's episodes were The Silence of the Clamps and Möbius Dick. Also, the thread titles list the production codes.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #52 on: 06-24-2011 17:19 »

Also, Danny, if you had really only kept up with the production order, you would've thought tonight's episodes were The Silence of the Clamps and Möbius Dick. Also, the thread titles list the production codes.

You really think I'm that retarded?
Gorky

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« Reply #53 on: 06-24-2011 17:21 »

Oh good god, man. Weiner corrected me, too. It's what the guy does!
LobsterMooch
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« Reply #54 on: 06-24-2011 17:26 »
« Last Edit on: 11-15-2011 17:21 »

 smile
wowbagger

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« Reply #55 on: 06-24-2011 17:32 »

Really good episode, 8 or 9 out of 10.

I was so delighted to see the grey goo story as I only learnt about this idea just the other day in a documentary on nanotechnology.  An interesting topic which makes brilliant SciFi!
DannyJC13

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« Reply #56 on: 06-24-2011 17:45 »

Also liked the little reference to the UK newspaper, the Daily Mirror. big grin
MovieMurderer

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« Reply #57 on: 06-24-2011 17:47 »

On a rewatch I caught Bender saying "unliteracy." Normally those are my favorite types of jokes, so I'm surprised I didn't catch that the first time through. Also, I'm excited for Dan Castellaneta returning as the Robot Devil in the next episode!
pluche93

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« Reply #58 on: 06-24-2011 18:33 »

yep a definetly awesome episode!! For me it is number 3 for this season with Prisoner of Benda first and Late Philip J. Fry second.

Prof: Scruffy what is that tiny Bender doing in my soup?
Scruffy: He appears to be giving you the finger sir. Enjoy. laff
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #59 on: 06-24-2011 19:23 »

As far as we know, Scruffy wasn't turned back into a man; this episode happens before Neutopia.

Then why did it air after Neutopia? confused

comedy central is not airing the episodes in the order in which they were made.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #60 on: 06-24-2011 19:31 »

comedy central is not airing the episodes in the order in which they were made.

Um, weiner told me this, at the top of the page... no no
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #61 on: 06-24-2011 19:34 »

comedy central is not airing the episodes in the order in which they were made.

Um, weiner told me this, at the top of the page... no no

sorry. i was on the wrong page.
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #62 on: 06-24-2011 19:40 »

Both the episodes where ok but nothing to write home about. Also what is the deal with the montages? In both episodes even! Just like in all of The new Simpsons episodes have one anymore!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPFCHuEegsk
koldstare64
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« Reply #63 on: 06-24-2011 19:45 »

I love how the episode premiered yesterday, and there's already an entry about it in the Popular Culture section of the Grey Goo Wikipedia page. Whoever did that deserves a medal.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #64 on: 06-24-2011 19:56 »

The battle between the Giant Unattractive Monster and Bender was very reminiscent of both the Godzilla films (which I am a fan of)
Both the Godzilla films? You know that there's something like 28 Godzilla films, right?

Also, forgot to mention something: there was some weird animation with Giant Grey Goo Bender. He looked really broad at times. It kinda ruined the fight scene for me.


I noticed that, but it was so prevelant, I assumed it was intentional to make Bender look stocky, like a bully that might beat up a nerd in high school -that seemed to be the vibe they wanted in the fight. It probably wasn't intentional though, but I'd feel better about it if it was.


This is great so far! I love the sub-atomic Benders re-arranging molecules to create alcohol. Stuff like that is why I watch Futurama.

Of course, the second law of thermodynamics would dictate that creating the alcohol would require more energy than it would provide, but I suppose it would enable a gradually decreasing number of them to survive.

By that logic, I shouldn't ever bother to cook myself dinner because it'll take more energy for me to make than I'll consume when I eat it. 


As far as we know, Scruffy wasn't turned back into a man; this episode happens before Neutopia.

Whilst this is true, I can outright guarantee you that Scruffy being left as a woman was a throw-away gag and he'll just be male again from that episode onward with no explanation.


It seems like Comedy Central tries to open with a weak and a strong episode each time.  Apparently they got the order wrong this time, but oh well.

I think they just like to open with what they consider to be a broad, crowd-pleaser episode and to them, the more sexual, the more broad and crowd-pleasing (which to be fair, has some truth to it). In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela and Neutopia weren't chosen as 'weaker' episodes, I can pretty much guarantee that they were chosen so that Comedy Central could sell them on being raunchy.


Aaaanyway, I really liked the episode. Not Futurama's best, but a really strong episode all the same. I loved the basic plot concept (have done since I heard about it last year) and I loved all the extra little sci-fi flourishes that I wasn't expecting such as the subatomic Benders turning water into alcohol. I also have a real thing for both grey goo theory and giant monsters fighting, so this was good for me. It was funny and well structured -my only complaint would be the extremely fast pace, but even then, they did a really good episode of making things work within that pace. Good stuff.

MovieMurderer

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« Reply #65 on: 06-24-2011 20:10 »

The battle between the Giant Unattractive Monster and Bender was very reminiscent of both the Godzilla films (which I am a fan of)
Both the Godzilla films? You know that there's something like 28 Godzilla films, right?

Oh, my mistake. I meant "the Godzilla films"... no idea why I wrote "both."
Mongo

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« Reply #66 on: 06-24-2011 20:28 »

This is great so far! I love the sub-atomic Benders re-arranging molecules to create alcohol. Stuff like that is why I watch Futurama.

Of course, the second law of thermodynamics would dictate that creating the alcohol would require more energy than it would provide, but I suppose it would enable a gradually decreasing number of them to survive.

By that logic, I shouldn't ever bother to cook myself dinner because it'll take more energy for me to make than I'll consume when I eat it.

If you cooked that dinner, then yes, it DID take more energy to make than was gained by eating it.  However, the energy was supplied by the stove, not by you.  And the rest was provided by the formerly living creatures that grew into what you ate.

Ultimately, of course, the energy was provided by the sun.

David A was completely correct about it taking more energy to convert H2O and CO2 into alcohol than would be gained by combusting it back into CO2 and H2O (due to efficiency losses).
Dorsal Axe

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« Reply #67 on: 06-24-2011 20:34 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2011 20:35 »

I suppose the argument is that Fry knows about it, but the Kardashians first became popular after he went to the future.
One would assume that, in the future, their heads are kept in jars. Air-filled jars.

Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. Some nice twists, such as the water turning to alcohol, and grey goo. I particularly loved seeing some familiar Futurama staples making a return, such as the Professor's casual nudity, and *gasp* an actual delivery!
I have to admit to finding the "Ahhhhhh! A big fat roach!" "What?! I thought I put that away!" exchange funny, and drunk Linda and Morbo was awesome.

However, I was somewhat disappointed that the whole multiple Benders plotline didn't seem to explore further than "we're so lazy, so we'll make more Benders to do everything". The abrupt ending also seemed more jarring than Neutopia's, but I blame the more restrictive time limit they have with CC, and not so much the writers. Also, Zoidberg's voice was very off at the beginning of the episode.

But on the whole, it's a solid 8.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #68 on: 06-24-2011 21:46 »

It was pretty good. Not as great as I thought it would be. Definitely funny. It did feel rushed, and like the story had no where to go, and there's just a lot of random fillers to drag it out.
 I feel like it would have done better as a short story in an Anthology of Interest.
Svip

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« Reply #69 on: 06-24-2011 21:49 »

It was pretty good. Not as great as I thought it would be. Definitely funny. It did feel rushed, and like the story had no where to go, and there's just a lot of random fillers to drag it out.
 I feel like it would have done better as a short story in an Anthology of Interest.

Hmm... I'd like to fuck my cat.
MovieMurderer

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« Reply #70 on: 06-24-2011 21:55 »

Hmm... I'd like to fuck my cat.

That pussy was the best fuck I've ever had.

[/SteveMartin]
soylentOrange

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« Reply #71 on: 06-24-2011 22:25 »

I thought it was pretty good.  Definitely better on second viewing.  I didn't like that they killed off the monster though.  The characters spent the whole episode tormenting him, and then Bender killed him and everyone cheered.  It seemed a bit too cruel.  The humor was good though, and I love when the writers geek out with the math and science jokes.  And the whole idea of Bender becoming some kind of unstoppable von Neumann machine was classic futurama.

also, "It's non-convergent!"
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #72 on: 06-24-2011 22:30 »

It was good and funny. Seeing Bender copy himself was bound to be funny and it was. I guess they left Earth before they could completely consume all its matter? And gravity somehow doesn't apply when you're microscopic huh? The ugly guy was alright, but I dunno, both plots didn't seem to fit that well. It was funny though and  enjoyable, the whole crew was decent in it so it’s another...

7/10
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #73 on: 06-24-2011 23:11 »

This is great so far! I love the sub-atomic Benders re-arranging molecules to create alcohol. Stuff like that is why I watch Futurama.

Of course, the second law of thermodynamics would dictate that creating the alcohol would require more energy than it would provide, but I suppose it would enable a gradually decreasing number of them to survive.

By that logic, I shouldn't ever bother to cook myself dinner because it'll take more energy for me to make than I'll consume when I eat it.

If you cooked that dinner, then yes, it DID take more energy to make than was gained by eating it.  However, the energy was supplied by the stove, not by you.  And the rest was provided by the formerly living creatures that grew into what you ate.

Ultimately, of course, the energy was provided by the sun.

David A was completely correct about it taking more energy to convert H2O and CO2 into alcohol than would be gained by combusting it back into CO2 and H2O (due to efficiency losses).

I know he was; I was pointing out why that wasn't a problem. The preparation of rearranging the molecules is akin to the cooking, the molecules themselves are akin to the food, is that not correct?

Or is that incorrect?
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #74 on: 06-25-2011 02:50 »

On second viewing, this episode was even better than I thought. Had classic series style and a bunch of good quotes:

"A greater tragedy my eyes have never beheld. Well, into the toilet" - Scruffy
"Oh no! What will I mix with my scotch?!" - Bender
"The Indy 500 was today. There were no survivors." - Linda
"Enjoy a nice Guggenheim swirly!" - Bender
"But now I have to kill you" "How? By making me look at you? Haha!" "No by making you look at ... my momma!" "Ah! Your momma's so ugly!" - Giant, Bender
"Think how also we may defeat the monsters of poverty, disease, and unliteracy." - Bender

Overall, I'll give it a 8/10.
Gorky

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« Reply #75 on: 06-25-2011 04:22 »

On second viewing, this episode was even better than I thought.

Same here. The first couple minutes of act three alone elevate this episode to a place of hilarity (and that oh-so-elusive classic feel) that many other episodes of the new run haven't reached. Honestly, the only moments that bugged me were the IMAX joke; the Kardashian reference; and the fact that the entire crew went on that mission to deliver the monster's acne cream and, like, prophylactics. Since when does anyone besides Fry, Leela, and Bender make the trip to the planet-of-the-week? It bothered me; I can't explain it.

Otherwise, though, this one actually has edged out "Neutopia" for me; I'm bumping it up to an 8/10 (which says just as much about how arbitrarily I assign grades as it does about the episode's objective quality).
futurefreak

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« Reply #76 on: 06-25-2011 06:29 »

Ok, after seeing Neutopia I was very relucatant to watch another episode for fear of witnessing the progression of Futurama's downfall. This one was a little better. Ok, not great. What saved it was all the little Benders running around hehehe. The plot, again, was stupid. The ending, lame. But as far as humor goes, it was much funnier than Neutopia (of course anything's funnier than a 1).

Even so, if anyone needs me I'll be in the closet contemplating the destruction of everything I hold so dear.
* futurefreak continues munching the gummi fungus anti-depressants
Svip

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« Reply #77 on: 06-25-2011 06:40 »

Someone's on her period...
Fnord
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« Reply #78 on: 06-25-2011 06:45 »

The battle between the Giant Unattractive Monster and Bender was very reminiscent of both the Godzilla films (which I am a fan of)
Both the Godzilla films? You know that there's something like 28 Godzilla films, right?

Oh, my mistake. I meant "the Godzilla films"... no idea why I wrote "both."

Maybe he's only a fan of two of the Godzilla films?

This is great so far! I love the sub-atomic Benders re-arranging molecules to create alcohol. Stuff like that is why I watch Futurama.

Of course, the second law of thermodynamics would dictate that creating the alcohol would require more energy than it would provide, but I suppose it would enable a gradually decreasing number of them to survive.

By that logic, I shouldn't ever bother to cook myself dinner because it'll take more energy for me to make than I'll consume when I eat it.

If you cooked that dinner, then yes, it DID take more energy to make than was gained by eating it.  However, the energy was supplied by the stove, not by you.  And the rest was provided by the formerly living creatures that grew into what you ate.

Ultimately, of course, the energy was provided by the sun.

The sun has very little entropy, which is why life can arise. (The second law of thermodynamics is only true globally, and for closed systems, so it's possible to have a decrease in entropy in places, just as long as there's a bigger increase elsewhere.)

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A few more points:

* What would happen when the Benders get to be smaller than alcohol molecules, so that they couldn't eat them?

* The divergent series mentioned in the episode is the harmonic series (after simplifying) 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

* I doubt that the writers had time to get the Anthony Wiener joke in, so is this a case of predicting something that happens in the real world?
leiapadme77

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« Reply #79 on: 06-25-2011 06:55 »

Randi I can't believe you hated Neutopia so much! I liked it. I liked both episodes. Not as much as something like The Sting, Parasites Lost, The Late Philip J Fry (some of my favs) but I think they were good. I still have high hopes for this season.

Also, I'm watching Benderama for a second time right now and its better than the first viewing. Seeing everyone drunk is pretty funny. Its just the big ulgy guy that annoys me.
And it also annoyed me that the entire crew went on that delivery, I remember someone else mentioning that. I've noticed almost all the new episodes since last summer involve the entire crew, which is neat at first, but now I'm starting to get annoyed. I miss the old episodes when it was usually based around Fry or a few other specific characters. I feel like Futurama was originally based around Fry, as it should be. But if I were a new viewer I would not know this at all and that kinda annoys me.
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