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Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #200 on: 07-01-2011 21:38 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 21:42 »

Is it wrong that I was rooting for the "unattractive giant monster" throughout the big fight with megabender?  Admittedly he had a short temper, but he was genuinely trying to work on controlling it (the therapy sessions) and had come to NNY to apologize for losing it earlier (after numerous insults from Bender).  And then when he apologizes, he gets nothing but insults from everybody, and is actually fired upon by Zapp.  So yeah, I was rooting for him to smash up NNY real good.

Second. He didn't deserve to die. frown
Hey, at least when he died he got the be beautiful; if your definition of beautiful is grey and sparkly that is. That has to count for something right? Right?!?! They were all intoxicated by that point so to be rude can be at least acknowledged as a side effect. Does it make it more acceptable? No, but at least we can understand better. Had the giant known they were all tipsy maybe he wouldn't have lost self control, who knows.


I'm certain every aspect of the episode has been covered but I just had to comment on how much I feel this episode (and the others so far) felt much like the original run in its heyday. The jokes are better, there's better wit, and despite the lower budget I heard and saw things that would never have clued me into such.

Edit:  TotPD
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« Reply #201 on: 07-01-2011 21:38 »

Is it wrong that I was rooting for the "unattractive giant monster" throughout the big fight with megabender?  Admittedly he had a short temper, but he was genuinely trying to work on controlling it (the therapy sessions) and had come to NNY to apologize for losing it earlier (after numerous insults from Bender).  And then when he apologizes, he gets nothing but insults from everybody, and is actually fired upon by Zapp.  So yeah, I was rooting for him to smash up NNY real good.

Second. He didn't deserve to die. frown

Third. Everyone was pointlessly a jerk to him until they pushed him over the edge. Twice. And then killed him to death.
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« Reply #202 on: 07-01-2011 21:42 »

To be fair, most of the crew were really nice to him when sober. Fry even tried to comfort him, albeit failing at it and accidentally turning it into an insult. The second time around they were just drunk.
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« Reply #203 on: 07-01-2011 21:56 »

"I was drunk" is not a legal defense. The court will (and should) hold you responsible for everything you did while drunk, including starting fights, driving dangerously, and various other crimes.
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« Reply #204 on: 07-01-2011 22:00 »

It was neither meant as a legal defense nor an excuse. It was a background reason of the events that transpired.
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« Reply #205 on: 07-01-2011 22:27 »

Excusing people's behavior because they were on a drug is crap. It's not a "background reason", you're making excuses for them being assholes when they should not have been. The PE crew were being assholes to someone who was trying to be nice to them, and that's out of character. It's bad writing.
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« Reply #206 on: 07-01-2011 22:32 »

Ofcourse they were assholes, I didn't claim anything differently. And I'm the last person to try to convince that alcohol is bad for you.

I don't think it's bad writing, though. I thought it was a clever way to insert how they would get the giant mad without having to be complete jerks. The ending, of how he was killed, however, that was poor writing. It felt extremely unresolved when he just died and everyone got away with it.
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« Reply #207 on: 07-01-2011 23:00 »

That was another gripe I had but didn't get into. The Benders kill the giant ugly person and then they leave Earth for no raisin. A world of crummy plot holes and spelling errors. Except this time it is not the mentally retarded person Fry writing the story on the spot, it's the entire Futurama writing team.
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« Reply #208 on: 07-01-2011 23:05 »

That's one way to look at it. To be honest, there are some annoying plot holes, but the episode overall weighs it up for me.
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« Reply #209 on: 07-01-2011 23:06 »

That was another gripe I had but didn't get into. The Benders kill the giant ugly person and then they leave Earth for no raisin. A world of crummy plot holes and spelling errors. Except this time it is not the mentally retarded person Fry writing the story on the spot, it's the entire Futurama writing team.

Ha, I'd love to make them all read this. laff
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« Reply #210 on: 07-01-2011 23:17 »


I feel certain that at least some of the writers lurk here. 

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« Reply #211 on: 07-01-2011 23:17 »

I feel certain that at least some of the writers lurk here. 

I wish they posted... frown
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« Reply #212 on: 07-01-2011 23:21 »

I don't. It would only cause annoying discussions about who knows what's best for Futurama.
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« Reply #213 on: 07-02-2011 02:03 »

That was another gripe I had but didn't get into. The Benders kill the giant ugly person and then they leave Earth for no raisin. A world of crummy plot holes and spelling errors. Except this time it is not the mentally retarded person Fry writing the story on the spot, it's the entire Futurama writing team.

I feel bad now that it didn't stick out to me as a plot flaw. I'm usually good at spotting these kinds of things, I must have lost my edge frown...
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« Reply #214 on: 07-02-2011 02:09 »

It's happened a couple of times. Someone pointed out that in Neutopia

I'm enjoying the episodes, but lazy hand-waves like this aren't a good sign.
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« Reply #215 on: 07-02-2011 05:19 »
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I feel certain that at least some of the writers lurk here.  


When you try to accomodate everyone you accomodate no one mad

I love Patton Oswalt but I didn't like his character that much frown
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« Reply #216 on: 07-03-2011 21:52 »

Well this has been good... bellow average for me.. but after Neutopia i think my standards were a bit low..

Enjoyed the few good old maths jokes that made Futurama what it is.. multiple Benders were hilarious, Fry was less artificially stupid than usual .. big absurdity at the end but ... we are acostumed to that

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« Reply #217 on: 07-04-2011 07:33 »

* The divergent series mentioned in the episode is the harmonic series (after simplifying) 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

After second viewing, I realized that this should be
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

Funny thing is, that if the Benders were only 49.9999% of the previous Bender, instead of 50%, the series would converge.

((crickets chirping))
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« Reply #218 on: 07-04-2011 16:42 »

That was another gripe I had but didn't get into. The Benders kill the giant ugly person and then they leave Earth for no raisin. A world of crummy plot holes and spelling errors. Except this time it is not the mentally retarded person Fry writing the story on the spot, it's the entire Futurama writing team.

I feel bad now that it didn't stick out to me as a plot flaw. I'm usually good at spotting these kinds of things, I must have lost my edge frown...

Unless I'm remembering the episode wrong, I think the little Benders leave immediately after original recipe Bender gives his speech about teamwork and saving the world and wiping out unliteracy and such. The implication is that they leave forever because they want to find a world where they are not expected to do even one-quintillionth of a thing. It's not the best ending, but at least it takes advantage of the running joke about how Bender and his clones are lazy, and it's not as out-of-nowhere as the Borax Kid showing up at the end of "Neutopia." It feels a bit more earned.
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« Reply #219 on: 07-04-2011 17:08 »

* The divergent series mentioned in the episode is the harmonic series (after simplifying) 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

After second viewing, I realized that this should be
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

Funny thing is, that if the Benders were only 49.9999% of the previous Bender, instead of 50%, the series would converge.

((crickets chirping))


I'm pretty sure the Benders were 60% of their respective original Bender.
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« Reply #220 on: 07-05-2011 00:00 »

* The divergent series mentioned in the episode is the harmonic series (after simplifying) 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

After second viewing, I realized that this should be
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

Funny thing is, that if the Benders were only 49.9999% of the previous Bender, instead of 50%, the series would converge.

((crickets chirping))


I'm pretty sure the Benders were 60% of their respective original Bender.

That's what I thought I heard (and maybe the writers changed the percentage but didn't make all the corrections), but the formula that the Professor shows is

(the sum of) 2^i * M(0) / (2^i * (i + 1))

which suggests that it's actually 50%. 2^i represents the number of Benders after i duplications, and M(0) is the original mass. The size of a Bender after i duplications would be (r)^i, for some number r, which is the relative size. (I'm not 100% sure where the i+1 comes in -- maybe the Benders after i duplications require a mass of M(0)/(i+1), so that Bender had to consume his mass in "extra material", but the two duplications each needed to only consume half of Bender's mass, and their duplications had to consume a third of Bender's mass, etc.)

A 60% size would produce the formula

(sum of) 2^i * M(0) * (3/5)^i * 1/(i+1),

which also diverges, incidentally; the individual terms don't even converge to zero.

Maybe if Hubert Farnsworth provided the technical specs for the Banach-Tarski Dupla-Shrinker, that would clear things up ...
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« Reply #221 on: 07-05-2011 07:17 »

I see... well I'll trust the Professor over Leela in this case.
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« Reply #222 on: 07-16-2011 06:15 »

really wanted to like this episode, really funny jokes, but not as good as I'd hoped.  The giant fight was epic, but much like the giant fight in episode AOI1.  Patton Oswalt was hilarious.  Why would the little Benders change the alcohol back to water when they leave at the end?
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« Reply #223 on: 07-16-2011 10:05 »

Why would the little Benders change the alcohol back to water when they leave at the end?

So nobody's drunk all the time anymore... hmpf
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« Reply #224 on: 07-16-2011 10:11 »

This was probably the best episode of the season.  Even better than The Late Inspection in my opinion.
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« Reply #225 on: 07-16-2011 10:13 »

This was probably the best episode of the season.  Even better than The Late Inspection in my opinion.

You mean Lethal Inspection?

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« Reply #226 on: 07-16-2011 10:13 »

of Philip J. Fry, yeah that one.
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« Reply #227 on: 07-16-2011 10:14 »

Lethal Inspection of Philip J. Fry. Nice. laff
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« Reply #228 on: 07-17-2011 07:47 »

Lethal Inspection of Philip J. Fry. Nice. laff

No, the Late Inspection of Philip J. Fry.
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« Reply #229 on: 07-17-2011 13:48 »

No, the Late Inspection of Philip J. Fry.

No, he replied with 'of' directly after my post, so it's Lethal...
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« Reply #230 on: 07-17-2011 23:43 »

No, the Late Inspection of Philip J. Fry.

No, he replied with 'of' directly after my post, so it's Lethal...

So "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry"?
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« Reply #231 on: 07-18-2011 08:07 »

No, the Late Inspection of Philip J. Fry.

No, he replied with 'of' directly after my post, so it's Lethal...

So "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry"?

No, "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry, yeah that one".
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« Reply #232 on: 07-18-2011 11:43 »

Minus the ?.
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« Reply #233 on: 07-18-2011 13:48 »

No, the Late Inspection of Philip J. Fry.

No, he replied with 'of' directly after my post, so it's Lethal...

So "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry"?

No, "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry, yeah that one".

But ", yeah that one" was discussing the title itself. Like "I want banana" doesn't mean that one wants an "I want banana", it means that one wants "banana".
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« Reply #234 on: 07-19-2011 06:49 »

No, the Late Inspection of Philip J. Fry.

No, he replied with 'of' directly after my post, so it's Lethal...

So "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry"?

No, "You mean Lethal Inspection?of Philip J. Fry, yeah that one".

But ", yeah that one" was discussing the title itself. Like "I want banana" doesn't mean that one wants an "I want banana", it means that one wants "banana".

But there's no ambiguity there, since the only part of the sentence which follows "want" is "banana."
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« Reply #235 on: 07-19-2011 16:23 »

So. Benderama...
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« Reply #236 on: 09-06-2011 01:04 »

How do all the tiny benders leave earth? They can't fly, can they. Also, in order for the benders on an atomic scale to work, they would have to be made of smaller atoms which the professor says are very expensive in parasites lost. If he invented a machine that can make tiny atoms, why didn't he sell the tiny atoms to get rich?
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« Reply #237 on: 09-06-2011 04:59 »

Yes... that's a plot hole right there.  Right.
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« Reply #238 on: 09-06-2011 05:19 »

My favorite quote was...

Morbo: And now...everyone'ss titty much protally fit-shaced

laff laff

Also, it was beyond great to see everybody drunk, that was a plot twist I did not see coming. The Planet Express crew was the best, you could just see how drunk they were. I was very happy that I got to see Fry, Leela, The Professor, Zapp, Kif and Zoidberg drunk, I've always wanted to see that on Futurama
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« Reply #239 on: 09-06-2011 05:22 »

I was very happy that I got to see Fry, Leela, The Professor, Zapp, Kif and Zoidberg drunk, I've always wanted to see that on Futurama

You are one weird kid. I like you.

Squid... but they did leave. So apparently they can fly, or something.
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