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PEE Poll: Rating
1/10 (poor)   -5 (4.3%)
2/10   -4 (3.5%)
3/10   -4 (3.5%)
4/10   -5 (4.3%)
5/10   -6 (5.2%)
6/10   -18 (15.7%)
7/10   -37 (32.2%)
8/10   -23 (20%)
9/10   -7 (6.1%)
10/10 (great)   -6 (5.2%)
Total Voters: 115

leiapadme77

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« Reply #80 on: 06-24-2011 19:13 »

Alright..
I just watched it. I was pleasantly surprised! I thought it was very good. Not as great as some of the all time best ones, but definitely one worth watching over and over. Not sure if it was a great season opener choice, but it was still really funny.

There's a lot of good one liners, and funny moments, and it's overall very funny. There wasn't a lot of thought to the plot and everything, but it was still good. Still had that weird 'New Futurama' feel to it though, which makes me miss the old ones. (I can't explain it, but since Rebirth, almost all are all like this)
Anyway, I was very happy with it. I'm hoping this is a good start to a great season. Last season I was kinda disappointed with a lot of the episodes, and I'm hoping that doesn't happen again.
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« Reply #81 on: 06-24-2011 19:33 »

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

It was poorly plotted with a pretty awful deus ex machina ending, but it was interesting and funny. It didn't feature much particularly intelligent humour but Futurama doesn't have to be incredibly smart all the time to work. Its humour drew heavily on stereotypes but it felt self-aware of this to the point that the stereotypes were funny because they were so stereotypical. Zoidberg's line about some chick turning the thermostat up was probably my favourite part of the episode.

If anything, it's yet another episode that feels like it's suffered from the slightly reduced running time on Comedy Central. Shame, it could have been better, but it's still a decent episode -about mid-tier.

5/10 (by Futurama's standards)
8/10 (by overall TV standards)
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #82 on: 06-24-2011 19:44 »

My review of this episode of Futurama: Meh. Both were meh. 5 out of 10 episodes.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #83 on: 06-24-2011 20:54 »

Meh. I didn't really care for it. There was something that just didn't seem "right" about it. Maybe it had something to do with the quality of the video I watched (it was pretty crappy, lol). I'll watch it a few more times in the future and maybe it'll grow on me.
For now I give it:

6/10
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #84 on: 06-24-2011 21:12 »

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

It was poorly plotted with a pretty awful deus ex machina ending, but it was interesting and funny. It didn't feature much particularly intelligent humour but Futurama doesn't have to be incredibly smart all the time to work. Its humour drew heavily on stereotypes but it felt self-aware of this to the point that the stereotypes were funny because they were so stereotypical. Zoidberg's line about some chick turning the thermostat up was probably my favourite part of the episode.

If anything, it's yet another episode that feels like it's suffered from the slightly reduced running time on Comedy Central. Shame, it could have been better, but it's still a decent episode -about mid-tier.

5/10 (by Futurama's standards)
8/10 (by overall TV standards)

I agree. A good episode compared to most of the crap on TV, but merely an average episode by Futurama's high standards.

I thought that this episode relied too much on stereotypes and clichés, and didn't contribute anything new to the "gender war" issue. I expected this episode to provide some hilarious new Futurama-esque insight or parody of this issue -- but it didn't deliver.

Instead, it took the easy way out with the turnabout for the PlanEx girlie calender, and then the episode was hastily wrapped up with everyone (sans Scruffy) being returned to normal.

It wasn't a bad episode; it was funny and I enjoyed it; but it just wasn't very good by Futurama's standards.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #85 on: 06-24-2011 21:38 »

I second both your feelings on it. Indeed they relied on dumb stereotypes, but it was still funny. I did feel the end was too quick, the issue was too easily resolved.
See, I decided this season I would not read any summaries, reviews or look at anything from the new episodes until after I watch them. This helps me go into it with a more open mind. It also means I don't know what to expect, so my standards are lower. Lol. I'm usually a very forgiving Futurama fan, and easy to please, yet hard to really impress. There's only one or two episodes in the entire series that I REALLY don't like.
Mongo

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« Reply #86 on: 06-24-2011 22:23 »

If almost everyone liked this episode so much, why does "Neutopia" have such a poor poll rating?  Going by the poll averages, it is currently rated as the third-worst episode of the sixth production season, even worse than "Attack of the Killer App".
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #87 on: 06-24-2011 22:26 »

I was pleasantly surprised, it was rather enjoyable and felt like Futurama. Seeing the crew with different genders was rather fun, although it didn't have many standout moments. My rating after one viewing...

7/10
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #88 on: 06-24-2011 23:13 »

If almost everyone liked this episode so much, why does "Neutopia" have such a poor poll rating?  Going by the poll averages, it is currently rated as the third-worst episode of the sixth production season, even worse than "Attack of the Killer App".
Firstly, NOT everyone like it.

Second, these new episode polls are totally unreliable. The polls are skewed by the douches who give every episode 1s, 2s, and 3s, and the kiss-asses who give every episode 10s.

Third, only the rankings of ALL the episodes matter, because each episode can be compared to all of the other episodes, instead of people's hasty reactions to the newest episode.

I admitted in my first post that I was too generous in voting this episode 7/10; if I could, I'd revise that score to 6/10, because my opinion of this episode hasn't improved after multiple viewings.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #89 on: 06-24-2011 23:15 »

If almost everyone liked this episode so much, why does "Neutopia" have such a poor poll rating?  Going by the poll averages, it is currently rated as the third-worst episode of the sixth production season, even worse than "Attack of the Killer App".
When did everybody say that? Filter out the "zomg i <3 futureama 10/10" posts and you're left with pretty mixed reviews here.
Mongo

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« Reply #90 on: 06-24-2011 23:48 »

Actually, if you look at the poll at the top of the page (from which I got the numbers to determine the average poll rating for this episode), almost everybody gave this episode a 6, 7, or 8 rating.  There were few 1, 2, 3, or 10 ratings.  The fact remains, though, that on average this episode was rated worse than the frequently mocked "Lrrreconcilable Ndndifferences" and even worse than "Attack of the Killer App".

AotKA was rightfully put down when it first aired (remember the pukeme-poopyou? or Susan Boil?), and had a much worse reception than "Neutopia" got, yet by the numbers it is considered a better episode than "Neutopia".  I suspect that there has been some ratings deflation going on.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #91 on: 06-25-2011 00:00 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 00:01 »

But look at the CGEF ratings. Neutopia has 75% after 30 reviews, which puts it on par with Rebirth (75% after 168) and The Duh-Vinci Code (76% after 147). In comparison, App is 62% after 183 and LrrrNdnd is 69% after 114.

I expect Neutopia's rating to go down because, looking at the reviews, a lot are "zomg new Futurama, Scruffy with a mustache, 5 out of 5! 5 out of 5!" so far.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #92 on: 06-25-2011 00:26 »

Every few minutes of Neutopia has a plot point introduced that could have gone longer and taken the episode, yet all are cut short and pressed together with gum to make the final cut. It's like the writers couldn't commit to a single version of the story and decided to go with all rather than kill any one. The episode feels rushed and unfocused, yet enjoyable since some of the better gags were saved and the different stories fit together just well enough to keep it from being nonsensical and not enough to make me think of it as anything else but a gag episode (which I feel has enough good material), which works in its favor (it was slightly more focused, it would have been a disappointing story. As it is, it's some amusing sketches and liners).

The Office joke was a bit annoying, since it's too contemporary a reference. Sure, it's chuckleworthy ("It's funny cause it's true!"), but anyone could make that joke. Futurama's setting should be a call to more timeless humor.

Amy wanting to shop at Tommy Hilfiger is a missed line. Petunia and Hattie were given funny places to shop, why not Amy (remember Calvin Clone?)?

I loved Zoidberg's stand-up.

I would have preferred if the non-speaking cameo characters had been extras instead of previously used tertiary characters. Extras may seem like a waste, but they keep the tertiary characters as welcome surprises (in Crimes of the Hot they had reason to bring back many robot characters, most of whom either got great one-liners or performed actions respectful to their personality (such as Roberto and the mobsters stabbing others)) and keep the world feeling larger than the familiar cast. This just felt a bit too much like filler. Petunia and Sal got to say and do things respectful to their characters, but Vic-tore' and the Professor's sweet hippopotamus were just there (they should have been extras).

Overall, it was okay but underwhelming. Now you all watch your genitals now.
JoshTheater

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« Reply #93 on: 06-25-2011 00:43 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 00:44 »

Just remembered this, LaBarbara's line "I have to get up five times a night to play X-Box" got a decent laugh out of me.
Tedward

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« Reply #94 on: 06-25-2011 02:15 »

The rock creature (the other rock creature, I mean) teleported everyone else who had been on the plane; why didn't he bring Scruffy into the room as well? Plot hole!!!

Maybe Scruffy's running gag of being forgettable applies to those outside of Planet Express as well?
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« Reply #95 on: 06-25-2011 06:21 »

So NOW it all makes sense to me...KurtPikachu IS a writer!! eek

Seriously, this episode was terrible. I was going in with high expectations and this wasn't even a blip on the radar. I am so sad that the show has already started to tank on only the second season (or second half of first season)  since it's been brought back. There were probably three laugh out loud moments in the episode that REALLY hit the mark with me, so I was hopeful, but only to be disappointed through it all, asking when it was going to end.

Many of you are aware of how much I love this show and what it means to me. There have been very few episodes that I was not excited about. However, even though I never thought I would EVER give an episode this rating, it has earned the embarrassing 1/10 for me. My former worst episode, That's Lobstertainment, is amazing compared to this one. Worst. Episode. Ever.

I am going to wallow in shame for the inevitable destruction of what I hold so dear to me. Siiiiiigh
* futurefreak orders some gummi fungus anti-depressants
Fnord
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« Reply #96 on: 06-25-2011 06:33 »

Indeed, I may have poured sulfuric acid on my eyes at that point.

flesheatingbull

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« Reply #97 on: 06-25-2011 06:39 »

But look at the CGEF ratings. Neutopia has 75% after 30 reviews, which puts it on par with Rebirth (75% after 168) and The Duh-Vinci Code (76% after 147). In comparison, App is 62% after 183 and LrrrNdnd is 69% after 114.

I expect Neutopia's rating to go down because, looking at the reviews, a lot are "zomg new Futurama, Scruffy with a mustache, 5 out of 5! 5 out of 5!" so far.

Or because it was a badass episode. Actually, i'd rank it up there with 'bender should not be allowed on tv'.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #98 on: 06-25-2011 06:40 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 06:43 »

Which is another meh to just good episode...
Svip

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« Reply #99 on: 06-25-2011 06:42 »

Hey, I like "Bender Should Not Be Allowed on Television", it has 'that was so terrible I think you gave me cancer!'; Calculon is brilliant in that episode.

'Shove in a reaction shot of me'
dr_perceptron

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« Reply #100 on: 06-25-2011 07:06 »

I'm still trying to erase that image of the professor's boobs flapping around in the wind. it was a bit predictable, but I felt like the jokes were still funny. The jokes were sort of crude, like no DXC jokes, but all MG flavored jokes.
Overall it was funny, but it was not "The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings." not the sort of episode you go back to over and over again.
It was funny, but the story just wasn't there.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #101 on: 06-25-2011 07:08 »

I'm so confused of whether that's actually Perceptron or Leia in disguise...
dr_perceptron

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« Reply #102 on: 06-25-2011 07:12 »

I'm so confused of whether that's actually Perceptron or Leia in disguise...

no its me Dan. she forced me to come on here and write a review.
futurefreak

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« Reply #103 on: 06-25-2011 07:16 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 07:29 »

laff

Modified to include 90% more rant to make weinermobile feel better.

Neutopia explored gender switching, which was already taken care of in the Prisoner of Benda. It also explored the male vs. female dynamic as in Amazon Women in the Mood, but was worse. At least in that ep men were getting punched in the face every five minutes.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #104 on: 06-25-2011 07:22 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 07:28 »

Actually Dan just watched them for the first time and I told him "go write a review! Especially cause people think you're fake lol" and he's like "No, I don't know what to write. PEEL scares me, those people are too smart and I don't want to embarrass you." LOL my little noob.
Its okay Dan. I embarrass myself just fine without your help.
futurefreak

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« Reply #105 on: 06-25-2011 07:27 »

Well looks like you made that bitch your bitch you bastard!
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #106 on: 06-25-2011 07:28 »

You guys should post in different styles... You know, to elevate fake concerns...

...

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dr_perceptron

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« Reply #107 on: 06-25-2011 07:37 »

You guys should post in different styles... You know, to elevate fake concerns...

...

...

Ya I realize that we do post in similiar styles but this is one of the effects when you live with someone.  Your personalities rub off on the other so you become more and more like eachother every day.  That and developing almost telekinetic communication with eachother.  We've had entire converstions with nothing but looks from across the room.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #108 on: 06-25-2011 07:38 »

Shut up weiner. You know he's real. You all just wish he wasn't. wink

Anyway, after viewing this episode a second time I'd have to say it was still funny, but I dont like it as much.
Maybe I just liked it cause of the photoshoot sessions. Cause "Most of our fans are huge perverts!" LOL I thought it was creative when they did the males as females photoshoots they each got a personalized set, like Fry in the freezer tube, Bender with the Oil, Scruffy with cleaning supplies. That was clever. But other than that...the episode was sort of Meh on a second viewing.
wowbagger

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« Reply #109 on: 06-25-2011 07:43 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 07:45 »

Girly calendar FemProfessor is going to haunt my nightmares.

Note: this is a spoiler thread, the spoiler tags here are just to protect your eyes (and possibly manhood).

i_c_weiner

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« Reply #110 on: 06-25-2011 07:45 »

I DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW!
* i_c_weiner bursts into tears.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #111 on: 06-25-2011 07:54 »

I don't see what the big deal is. He has saggy old lady boobs! Whatever...

*Leia makes this Dr_Perceptron's desktop wallpaper*
laff
dr_perceptron

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« Reply #112 on: 06-25-2011 07:56 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 08:06 »

Girly calendar FemProfessor is going to haunt my nightmares.

Note: this is a spoiler thread, the spoiler tags here are just to protect your eyes (and possibly manhood).



YOU WATCHED IT, YOU CAN'T UNWATCH IT!
I quite literally started retching when I opened that.
wowbagger

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« Reply #113 on: 06-25-2011 07:59 »

YOU WATCHED IT, YOU CAN'T UNWATCH IT!

Brilliant!
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #114 on: 06-25-2011 08:21 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 08:25 »

Which is another meh to just good episode...

INTERESTING STUFF!!!

go wear those tight jeans now.

edit: btw, my joke is that you are a hipster. i get it, you are different and free spirited. cool story, bro.
Svip

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« Reply #115 on: 06-25-2011 08:39 »

EXPLAINER OF OWN JOKES!
Jezzem

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« Reply #116 on: 06-25-2011 08:46 »

Liking or not liking certain episodes of a show is not really a very "hipster" thing to do; perhaps you should use a different insult.

Hey, remember when I said that when the new episodes started people would be like "Futurama completely shit and like Family Guy now!!!" every time there was a bad-to-meh episode and then that totally did happen several times?

So NOW it all makes sense to me...KurtPikachu IS a writer!! eek

Seriously, this episode was terrible. I was going in with high expectations and this wasn't even a blip on the radar. I am so sad that the show has already started to tank on only the second season (or second half of first season)  since it's been brought back. There were probably three laugh out loud moments in the episode that REALLY hit the mark with me, so I was hopeful, but only to be disappointed through it all, asking when it was going to end.

Many of you are aware of how much I love this show and what it means to me. There have been very few episodes that I was not excited about. However, even though I never thought I would EVER give an episode this rating, it has earned the embarrassing 1/10 for me. My former worst episode, That's Lobstertainment, is amazing compared to this one. Worst. Episode. Ever.

I am going to wallow in shame for the inevitable destruction of what I hold so dear to me. Siiiiiigh
* futurefreak orders some gummi fungus anti-depressants

Well it's still happening!

a. You can't judge the quality of the whole show by one episode you didn't like.

b. You can't really judge what the rest of this season's episodes will be like based on just Neutopia and Benderama because they were produced in the same production run as the episodes we saw last year (this means there's 13 other episodes you can use to judge the quality of the rest of this broadcast season).
futurefreak

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« Reply #117 on: 06-25-2011 08:55 »

I can judge that it was a completely awful episode, though. I think using the "people will complain it's like Family Guy" excuse is a lazy way of delaying the inevitable. I just wasn't ready for such failure so soon.

When Rebirth first aired I wasn't a fan of it either, but if I recall I rated it a 6 or around there. It did not make me rethink my whole dedication to the show.

I will continue to watch the show, of course, but now there's that extra hurdle of predetermined thought they need to cross.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #118 on: 06-25-2011 08:57 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2011 08:59 »

As Jezzem mentioned, these aren't 2 of 13, but 2 of 26 of which we've already seen 13. For every IAGDL or App we get, we'll get a Late or Benda. And we've seen great episodes in this production season, so there has to be more!


Hopefully...
futurefreak

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« Reply #119 on: 06-25-2011 09:05 »

Well then the 2 of 26 aren't that great. No matter whether it's one season or two, I am starting to worry. Everyone is saying, "don't judge an entire season by one episode" but I look at it this way: they are too developed a show to be doing mishaps like this. Not every episode is gonna be great, but at least it shouldn't be one where I am laying my head in shame questioning my continuing dedication to the franchise. Maybe it has to do with the writers and lack of budget they had while they were on FOX, but it's definitely changed.
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