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Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #400 on: 09-20-2010 22:00 »

I loved the episode, I have been absent from peel for a bit. Ya, when i saw they went too far, I was like "there boned". I did not expect that. Remember in "the cryonic women" that one guy wanted to meet Shakespeare. He thought time was cyclical, well I guess this episode shows he was right. The only problem is he would have never made it due to the fact that everything in time ceased to exist before the universe could restart. That poor demented honky.
Fnord
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« Reply #401 on: 09-22-2010 10:47 »

Unless that guy borrows Hubert Farnsworth's time machine ...
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #402 on: 09-22-2010 23:02 »

I was thinking about that, but why would the professor ever let him borrow.
soylentOrange

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« Reply #403 on: 09-23-2010 16:54 »

Right before the time machine gets back to the moment that Fry, Bender, and Farnsworth get into it to begin with, we see New New York being built from the ground up.  Right before the camera shifts to a view of the conference room, something happens to the buildings in the foreground; it looks like they partially collapse, or at least crumble a bit.  Do we know why that is?  

before:


after:

cyber_turnip

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« Reply #404 on: 09-23-2010 20:58 »

The alien invasion that wiped out half of Earth (as seen in Space Pilot 3000, Bender's Big Score, mentioned in Crimes of the Hot)?
soylentOrange

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« Reply #405 on: 09-24-2010 00:10 »

no.  There were two alien invasions shown in those episodes: one that wiped out Old New York, and one that wiped out the castles that were built afterward.  Both of those invasions are also shown in TLPJF.  This is something different; it happens right before the Planet Express Building is built, and, whatever it is, it doesn't destroy the whole city.
Bigboysdontcry

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« Reply #406 on: 09-24-2010 02:06 »

I have to say, that is a great find. I do not think we will ever find out what happened.
Ghost and Horse

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« Reply #407 on: 09-24-2010 03:57 »

Maybe they demolished those buildings to build Planet Express? Do they take up area that would be dedicated to PE?
vonboy
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« Reply #408 on: 09-24-2010 05:25 »

Maybe they demolished those buildings to build Planet Express? Do they take up area that would be dedicated to PE?
thats what i assumed when i saw that.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #409 on: 10-11-2010 07:25 »

Just out of curiosity, do you think that Fry told Leela about his escapades in the time machine?

At first, I was inclined to think that he did, perhaps right after he says to Leela, "That was the old Fry.  He's dead now."  (If I were Leela, I would ask what the hell he was talking about.)

However, later on when they are standing on the bridge, he tells her that he got her a card, but lost it - implying that he didn't tell her about it, or that he left out the part about the card.

Then, Leela repeats nearly the same words that she used/uses in her message to Fry in the year 3050, "What I'll remember is our time together."  Too close to be a coincidence?

What do you think?  Personally, I don't know if I could keep an experience like that to myself and not tell Leela.  I think that he did tell her, and either forgot or left out the part about the card, marking it as insignificant.  (After all, how would he know that the card was the reason that she left him her message.)

If he did tell her, what kind of ramifications would that have on the ship?  Further evidence for Leela of her true feelings for him?


My evil infests all times, all galaxies, all dimensions.
Svip

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« Reply #410 on: 10-11-2010 08:08 »

At first, I was inclined to think that he did, perhaps right after he says to Leela, "That was the old Fry.  He's dead now."  (If I were Leela, I would ask what the hell he was talking about.)

Why?  That could easily be interpreted as referring to a previous state of mind, e.g. that Fry had changed.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #411 on: 10-11-2010 16:43 »

At first, I was inclined to think that he did, perhaps right after he says to Leela, "That was the old Fry.  He's dead now."  (If I were Leela, I would ask what the hell he was talking about.)

Why?  That could easily be interpreted as referring to a previous state of mind, e.g. that Fry had changed.
I think that's it exactly.  That's the way I interpreted it too.  I was just speculating on where the conversation went from there.  If I were Leela and not the audience, I would be at least curious about why he used that phrase in particular.  (Although, Leela has had of a few 'versions' of Fry die on her already so perhaps not.)

My evil infests all times, all galaxies, all dimensions.
mazda07

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« Reply #412 on: 10-11-2010 16:47 »

sure that was one of the best episodes in the half season .big grin
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #413 on: 10-14-2010 19:13 »

I have to say, that is a great find. I do not think we will ever find out what happened.
Probably, however that might make a good episode: how Planet Express came into being and what the prof was doing before PE.  Perhaps through flashbacks or something.

Maybe they demolished those buildings to build Planet Express? Do they take up area that would be dedicated to PE?
That makes me wonder about how much influence the prof has over civil matters.  Were those buildings slated to be demolished already, or did the prof find a piece of real estate that he liked and erm... arranged for them to be demolished?
lilkitten29

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« Reply #414 on: 10-15-2010 04:11 »

I want to go watch this episode again.
Man, I haven't watched Futurama for a while (almost been a month I think!)...I'm just so busy with school lately.
TheFutureisWild

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« Reply #415 on: 10-15-2010 04:47 »


 
I have to say, that is a great find. I do not think we will ever find out what happened.
Probably, however that might make a good episode: how Planet Express came into being and what the prof was doing before PE.  Perhaps through flashbacks or something.

Maybe they demolished those buildings to build Planet Express? Do they take up area that would be dedicated to PE?
That makes me wonder about how much influence the prof has over civil matters.  Were those buildings slated to be demolished already, or did the prof find a piece of real estate that he liked and erm... arranged for them to be demolished?


 I think it would be interesting to see an episode with the beginning of Planet Express and some kind of explanation of the demolished buildings.
lizardgirl89
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« Reply #416 on: 06-15-2011 03:05 »
« Last Edit on: 06-15-2011 03:16 »

*Spoilers in this post!*

I watched this episode online because I read that it was about time travel and I know that Futurama episodes about time travel often make for a good mind screw.

I thought it was rather interesting (and a bit disturbing in a hard-to-explain way) that this episode managed to bring several of the characters insanely far into the future.  Some future scenarios did fit rather well.  Like...

  • The primitive, shattered dystopia of 10,000 years later.  That seems like a likely scenario.
  • The ice age that will come 100,000 years later.  Again, this seems realistic since the climate goes in cycles.  Heck, even the thought of domesticating walruses and riding them into war seems like something that future humans would do
  • Humans splitting into two evolutionary routes five million years from now.  I know that they borrowed this from The Time Machine, but I did read an article somewhere that scientists are predicting something like this to happen in the far future.

However, some of those future scenarios just didn't make any sense, chronologically or otherwise.

  • Humans are enslaved by giraffes.  Huh?  Okay, I understand that Futurama is known for its characters stumbling upon crazy societies, but why do giraffes look the same 252,525 years after Christ?  One would think that, since there was a dramatic climactic change 100,000 years earlier, they would either evolve into a new animal or go extinct entirely.  There's also the question as to how they enslaved humanity in the first place, but this is Futurama we're talking about.
  • Knights riding ostriches hundreds of thousands of years from now in valleys of suburban grass.  WTF?
  • The whole machine uprising scenario.  I have no problem with plots that involve machine uprisings, but take a look at the humans in that scene.  It's supposed to take place 10 million years from now but the people look exactly the same as they do in the 21st Century.  I thought humanity diverged in the evolutionary line?  Also, I would expect something like a human/robot war to happen much sooner than 10 million years from now.
  • The all-woman future.  Although one would ask how they reproduce, keep in mind that one of them said that men were rare, not non-existent.  Anyway, are these women supposed to be aliens?  If not, then how is it that humans have managed to survive fifty million years with only their skin color changed?  I'm starting to think that humanity started all over again at some point in the evolutionary timeline if that's even possible.

All in all, I thought it was an interesting episode to say the least.  It was really sweet what Leela did in that cave knowing that Fry would see it far into the future.  The one thing I liked most about the episode was that the creators of this show thought up the same theory that I thought up several years earlier: that the universe is cyclical.  That is to say, once it ends, a new one will begin.  However, the creator's theory differs from mine in that they go on to suggest that the next universe will be exactly the same as this one.

I'm sorry that I was particularly nit-picky in this post, but some things just had to be said.  Maybe it's just that I imagined the far future to be different than the one presented in this episode, but to each their own.  Also, I am perfectly aware of the MST3K mantra "It's just a show, I've got to relax."

What did you guys think of the different time periods that were encountered in the episode?
Jezzem

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« Reply #417 on: 06-15-2011 05:45 »

  • Humans are enslaved by giraffes.  Huh?  Okay, I understand that Futurama is known for its characters stumbling upon crazy societies, but why do giraffes look the same 252,525 years after Christ?  One would think that, since there was a dramatic climactic change 100,000 years earlier, they would either evolve into a new animal or go extinct entirely.  There's also the question as to how they enslaved humanity in the first place, but this is Futurama we're talking about.
  • Knights riding ostriches hundreds of thousands of years from now in valleys of suburban grass.  WTF?
  • The whole machine uprising scenario.  I have no problem with plots that involve machine uprisings, but take a look at the humans in that scene.  It's supposed to take place 10 million years from now but the people look exactly the same as they do in the 21st Century.  I thought humanity diverged in the evolutionary line?  Also, I would expect something like a human/robot war to happen much sooner than 10 million years from now.
  • The all-woman future.  Although one would ask how they reproduce, keep in mind that one of them said that men were rare, not non-existent.  Anyway, are these women supposed to be aliens?  If not, then how is it that humans have managed to survive fifty million years with only their skin color changed?  I'm starting to think that humanity started all over again at some point in the evolutionary timeline if that's even possible.

The answer to all of these is "because it's funny".
David A

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« Reply #418 on: 06-15-2011 11:15 »

Let's try a little harder than that, shall we, Jezzem?

Humans are enslaved by giraffes.  Huh?  Okay, I understand that Futurama is known for its characters stumbling upon crazy societies, but why do giraffes look the same 252,525 years after Christ?  One would think that, since there was a dramatic climactic change 100,000 years earlier, they would either evolve into a new animal or go extinct entirely.  There's also the question as to how they enslaved humanity in the first place, but this is Futurama we're talking about.

Okay, first of all, the giraffe scenario took place 1,000,000 years after Christ, not 252,525.  ("In the year one million and a half, humankind is enslaved by giraffe...")  Even so, one million years isn't that long in evolutionary terms.  It's not inconceivable for giraffes to exist relatively unchanged, and they obviously have evolved somewhat if they've gained the ability to enslave mankind.

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Knights riding ostriches hundreds of thousands of years from now in valleys of suburban grass.  WTF?

Ostrich-riding knights are cool.  Surely you can't be unfamiliar with the classic video game Joust?

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The whole machine uprising scenario.  I have no problem with plots that involve machine uprisings, but take a look at the humans in that scene.  It's supposed to take place 10 million years from now but the people look exactly the same as they do in the 21st Century.  I thought humanity diverged in the evolutionary line?  Also, I would expect something like a human/robot war to happen much sooner than 10 million years from now.

It's probably not the first (or the last) time that a human/robot war occured.  We just didn't see any of the others because Fry and company didn't stop during those times.

As for the humans, just because new evolutionary offshoots have arisen, that doesn't necessarily mean that anatomically modern humans have become extinct elsewhere.  Alternatively, they could be descended from a remnant population of humans that were cryogenically frozen, or cloned from stored DNA samples.  It's the future; any number of explanations are possible.

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The all-woman future.  Although one would ask how they reproduce, keep in mind that one of them said that men were rare, not non-existent.  Anyway, are these women supposed to be aliens?  If not, then how is it that humans have managed to survive fifty million years with only their skin color changed?  I'm starting to think that humanity started all over again at some point in the evolutionary timeline if that's even possible.

An all female population with access to the proper technology could reproduce by cloning.  In such a situation, men would still be desireable because they could provide genetic diversity.  If these women were reproducing by cloning, that would explain why they could remain evolutionarily stable for a long period of time.  Natural selection would still be at work, but it would be a much slower process, relying on spontaneous mutation rather than on new combinations of DNA with each successive generation.

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I'm sorry that I was particularly nit-picky in this post, but some things just had to be said.

No problem; you'll fit in just fine around here.

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What did you guys think of the different time periods that were encountered in the episode?

I thought that they were the most entertaining part of an otherwise sappy episode.

Welcome to PEEL, lizardgirl89.  Enjoy your stay.

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Jezzem

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« Reply #419 on: 06-15-2011 11:29 »

Let's try a little harder than that, shall we, Jezzem?

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Knights riding ostriches hundreds of thousands of years from now in valleys of suburban grass.  WTF?

Ostrich-riding knights are cool.  Surely you can't be unfamiliar with the classic video game Joust?

I feel like we weren't really trying that harder with this one. tongue
Gorky

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« Reply #420 on: 06-15-2011 12:10 »

Does a link count as trying harder?

Also: Welcome to PEEL, lizardgirl. Hopefully you stick around for the new season, since it's always good to find new posters who are capable of stringing together not only logical sentences, but also logical paragraphs, in general discussion. wink
David A

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« Reply #421 on: 06-15-2011 12:29 »

Joust references need no further explanation!

But if you really want one, I suppose it would be that civilization has been destroyed and rebuilt multiple times, and for some reason the intervening dark ages always seem to have castles (this was seen in the pilot episode as well).  Of course, castles and metal armor do make good sense when modern weaponry is absent.  As for the ostriches, perhaps unlike giraffes, horses have become extinct, and the knights had to look elsewhere for mounts.  Or, y'know, they just bred war ostriches because ostrich-riding knights are cool.
Aki

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« Reply #422 on: 06-15-2011 14:59 »
« Last Edit on: 06-15-2011 15:05 »

@lizardgirl89:

Welcome to PEEL.

The "goofs" you discuss would be goofs only if they were impossible, or for that matter highly improbable. They are not. You should rather go to 6ACV09 and discuss why the evolution on the asteroid is human-centric, which is much more improbable than all "goofs" you took up altogether.

Yeah, it's quite unlikely that for example the human race would split up in the future, and then get together properly again. Not impossible, but unlikely. Still,  it's possible that only a part (say, half) of the human kind split up into the intelligent and the dumb creatures as seen in the episode. Maybe on the other side of the planet, another human population still existed. Maybe the Dumblocks (yeah, I almost wrote Morlocks...) had themselves go extinct after killing the intellectually and morally advanced creatures, and after this, the other, still human-like population took over Earth again, formed a new society and created robots, who then had an uprising five million years later. It's also possible, if not probable, that a subpopulation of humans inhabited other planets or asteroids (like Mars) and then came back to Earth which was cleaned out of intelligent life.

It should also be noted that species don't have to evolve significantly. If there is no pressure, a species will stay basically the same. If humans continue to expand successfully, without real competition (like today, year 2011), it is not improbable that we will look about the same in a few million years, with only small changes (for example an interracial population). Ostriches looking the same in 250 000 years, or giraffes looking the same in a million, is not necessarily a stretch. And as long as humans are alive, we can always genetically produce an extinct creature if we have the right material and information. Maybe the humans of 1 000 000 created a super-giraffe, greatly surpassing humans in intelligence, who then rebelled and took over?

Tell me if I missed something, but I think I pretty much got through it all alive.

Again, welcome to PEEL! And as David A said, don't worry if you sound nitpicky, as long as you are prepared to face arguments that makes you a perfect Nerdlinger.

edit: I realised I missed the all-female population. As previously mentioned, such an advanced population could easily just clone themselves to make children. Maybe this is why men went extinct to begin with - they were unnecessary. The females were generally more intelligent and could stand on their own, and got all jobs, money and food, while men died out because they couldn't get any jobs, money or food. It is also possible that these humans are hermaphrodites, meaning they wouldn't need men to reproduce.

Also, men are never said to be extinct! They are said to be highly rare. Such an advanced population would probably have incredible life expectancy, of hundreds or thousands of years, meaning they only very rarely need to reproduce. If men are not extinct but rare, maybe one shows up just in perfect time of mating being preferable to keep the species alive and well.
lizardgirl89
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« Reply #423 on: 06-15-2011 19:20 »
« Last Edit on: 06-15-2011 19:24 »

Thanks for the warm welcome big grin

As for the scenarios that I thought were goofy in this episode, I also have to take into account that we have no idea what historic events took place in order to make them happen.  Maybe giraffes were implanted with brain chips, making it a goof on humanities part?  The possibilities are endless.

Also, I read somewhere that, in the relatively near future, race as we know it will become non-existent since travel is easier than ever, which means that intermarriage will be much more likely to happen.  However, human characters of different skin colors still exist in the year 3000 (as well as 10 million years from now), so I think the creators are ignoring that theory.
Aki

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« Reply #424 on: 06-15-2011 19:22 »

Second.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #425 on: 06-15-2011 21:04 »

Second.

Oh so Aki can post stuff like this, but as soon as I do i_c_weiner comes in raging. shifty
Aki

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« Reply #426 on: 06-15-2011 21:07 »

Second.

Oh so Aki can post stuff like this, but as soon as I do i_c_weiner comes in raging. shifty

I showed an agreement with her logic, which is not by any means spam. You however frequently post things that has no relevance to the subject. And not to be mean, but that post was not relevant either. Take it up in an off-topic thread with the moderators if you feel mistreated.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #427 on: 06-15-2011 21:08 »

Mine do have points, when I agree with something I too will say second EXACTLY like you just did, but oh no just cause I'm 14 it's wrong. Modern society sucks. It always has infact.
Aki

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« Reply #428 on: 06-15-2011 21:12 »

Mine do have points, when I agree with something I too will say second EXACTLY like you just did, but oh no just cause I'm 14 it's wrong. Modern society sucks. It always has infact.
When they do have points they are left as they are. When they don't, they are considered spam. You have even admitted to derailing threads, and you have made posts where you admit to the pointlessness. It has nothing to do with your age and you know it (I didn't even know your age until I checked you up just now).
DannyJC13

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« Reply #429 on: 06-15-2011 21:13 »

Even I have admitted that I've made a pointless post like twice, but all the other times it's been serious, yet I still get raged at.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #430 on: 06-15-2011 21:41 »

So yeah, good ep...
Gorky

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« Reply #431 on: 06-16-2011 01:41 »

Otis P Jivefunk: Tension Diffuser!

In on-topic news: I still wish the writers had traded out one of those scenes in the distant future in favor of one more scene of aging Leela from the first time line, coping with Fry's death and such. Those were easily the most emotionally resonant moments for me. Granted, the episode was probably running long to begin with, and admittedly every scene served some grander purpose...but still. This episode should have been one of the movies, instead.
lizardgirl89
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« Reply #432 on: 06-16-2011 02:34 »

Otis P Jivefunk: Tension Diffuser!

In on-topic news: I still wish the writers had traded out one of those scenes in the distant future in favor of one more scene of aging Leela from the first time line, coping with Fry's death and such. Those were easily the most emotionally resonant moments for me. Granted, the episode was probably running long to begin with, and admittedly every scene served some grander purpose...but still. This episode should have been one of the movies, instead.

I actually agree with that.  This episode consisted of a very broad, mind-boggling concept of what would happen to the universe once we go so far into the future that it... you know... ends.
Aki

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« Reply #433 on: 06-16-2011 02:37 »

I think the main reason it wasn't a movie (except that I doubt they realised the concept that early) was that it by definition doesn't include many characters or callbacks - most characters, excluding Bender, Fry and the Professor - are dead in two out of three acts. They wanted to make the films big and including loads of callbacks and minor characters.
David A

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« Reply #434 on: 06-16-2011 03:24 »

Thanks for the warm welcome big grin

As for the scenarios that I thought were goofy in this episode, I also have to take into account that we have no idea what historic events took place in order to make them happen.  Maybe giraffes were implanted with brain chips, making it a goof on humanities part?  The possibilities are endless.

I prefer to think that the giraffes developed psionic powers (either naturally or as a result of human experimentation) which enabled them to telepathically enslave mankind, but that's just me.

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Also, I read somewhere that, in the relatively near future, race as we know it will become non-existent since travel is easier than ever, which means that intermarriage will be much more likely to happen.  However, human characters of different skin colors still exist in the year 3000 (as well as 10 million years from now), so I think the creators are ignoring that theory.

Not necessarily.  While the percentage of people of mixed ancestry may increase in the future, race as we know it will probably not disappear any time soon.  (Racial identity is really more of a sociological concept than a biological one anyway.)  In any case, such racial mixing would be dependent on different racial groups remaining in contact with each other (due to the easier travel you mentioned still being available, for instance), but it's likely that various future events (of which we've only seen a tiny sample) would result in populations of humans becoming isolated in various places for various amounts of time, which would prevent such extended contact.

In on-topic news: I still wish the writers had traded out one of those scenes in the distant future in favor of one more scene of aging Leela from the first time line, coping with Fry's death and such.

And I wish that they had left out the entire Leela subplot in favor of more scenes in the distant future.  Which probably means that the writers found the proper balance between the two.  You can't please everyone, afterall.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Gorky

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« Reply #435 on: 06-16-2011 03:31 »

I think the main reason it wasn't a movie (except that I doubt they realised the concept that early) was that it by definition doesn't include many characters or callbacks - most characters, excluding Bender, Fry and the Professor - are dead in two out of three acts. They wanted to make the films big and including loads of callbacks and minor characters.

You're probably right, and I was half-kidding, but it just seemed like such an epic story that it might have been well-served as, like, a two-parter or something.

Of course, if they had made it a two-parter or a movie, I'm sure I would still have found things to complain about. Like David A says, you can't please everyone. And, like he also says...

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I wish that they had left out the entire Leela subplot in favor of more scenes in the distant future.

I think the Leela scenes gave the future scenes an emotional underpinning (even though Fry was unaware of the loneliness of Leela's life that we as viewers were privy to), and made the love story aspect of it pleasingly tragic, if that makes any sense. It turned an episode that easily could have only been scientifically epic, or even a mere novelty, into something that was emotionally epic, and much more resonant than it might have been otherwise.
Aki

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« Reply #436 on: 06-16-2011 13:45 »

Don't get me wrong, Gorky, I too has thought of how it would have been if this episode would have been one of the movies. I'm just raising the problems I've seen.

I think the main reason it wasn't a movie (except that I doubt they realised the concept that early) was that it by definition doesn't include many characters or callbacks - most characters, excluding Bender, Fry and the Professor - are dead in two out of three acts. They wanted to make the films big and including loads of callbacks and minor characters.

You're probably right, and I was half-kidding, but it just seemed like such an epic story that it might have been well-served as, like, a two-parter or something.

Of course, if they had made it a two-parter or a movie, I'm sure I would still have found things to complain about. Like David A says, you can't please everyone. And, like he also says...

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I think the Leela scenes gave the future scenes an emotional underpinning (even though Fry was unaware of the loneliness of Leela's life that we as viewers were privy to), and made the love story aspect of it pleasingly tragic, if that makes any sense. It turned an episode that easily could have only been scientifically epic, or even a mere novelty, into something that was emotionally epic, and much more resonant than it might have been otherwise.

Agreed. The scene where Leela sends her message to Fry and he receives it is the only time I've cried to Futurama this season. Beautiful scene.
lizardgirl89
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« Reply #437 on: 06-21-2011 17:29 »

If I'm not wrong, I believe the eras portrayed in the episode would be classified as "noodle incidents" according the TV Tropes since it's anyone's guess as to how certain events happened.
Aki

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« Reply #438 on: 06-21-2011 17:36 »

I would say you are wrong. Noodle Incidents are things that are never explained but only referred to. The eras in this episode are quite explained. A Noodle Incident would be if they afterward said "oh, I liked that era in the year 100002" and someone responded "we agreed not to talk about it", and that would be it.
LobsterMooch
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« Reply #439 on: 06-23-2011 12:33 »
« Last Edit on: 11-15-2011 17:22 »

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