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SorynArkayn
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You're argument is about relativism. I respect the merit of what you're saying, but it's not absolute. You have assumed that the threshold for ratings is very small given a 10 point scale.... when in reality, it may be much larger. Ie... the range of pleasing may be ginormous in order to rate an episode a 10.
I understand that. It's precisely because we're all limited to a 10-point scale -- as opposed to a 100-point scale -- why I believe that people need to be more discerning when rating these episodes. If the people who rated both IAGDL and this episode a 10/10, does that mean they liked them equally? Can they honestly claim that they're equally good episodes? I doubt it. I don't see how that's possible... unless they have no taste -- which I suppose is possible, hence their 10 score for IAGDL.
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SorynArkayn
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« Reply #333 on: 08-05-2010 23:00 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2010 23:07 »
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IGN thought differently than us and unfortunately gave it a not-so impressive 7.5. Oh well , it's their opinion (which in my opinion is a bad one).
I know, and I criticized the IGN reviewer in the comment section for rating it only a 7.5, in comparison to his ratings for "Lethal Inspection = 8" and "The Duh-Vinci Code = 9". His scores are totally bass-ackwards. Regarding winna's comment on a 2 point scale, I'm going to paraphrase one of my college professors regarding his opinion of what he calls "Millennials", which he considers the generation of people born between 1980-1992 (in other words, his students' generation). He criticized them for their entitled attitude, and for being total drama queens when they felt like they were graded too harshly. He talked about how a student bitched to him for getting a 92%, because he thought that he deserved higher. He explained how in his generation, a C was "satisfactory", a B was "exceeds expections", an A was "excellent", and an A+ was "exceptional"; and the students who earned As and A+s on a regular basis were what we refer to as "gifted". But Millennials believe that they deserve As for satisfactory work and A+s for exceeding expections. And I agree with him that's how most Millennials are, and that's bullsh!t. Based on the overly high scores for these new episodes by the majority of the people here, I believe that's what's been happening here. The people who I know who are Futurama fans are mostly Millennials, which technically includes me. Millennials consider anything less than a 7 to be a disgraceful failure, which is ridiculous. Do people not understand how a rating between 1 and 10 works? By definition, 5 is AVERAGE. On a Bell curve, the majority of Futurama episodes should rate between 4 and 6. Instead, most of them are rated between 7 and 9, and the most hated episodes are between 3 and 5. That's f*cked up! Basically, people need to develop higher standards. I return to be earlier point: If you rate everything as great, it just diminishes truly great works. So don't give an episode an 8, 9, or 10 just because you "liked it". If you liked it, start at 5, and go up according to how much you liked it. If you disliked, start a 5, and go down. Simple.
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Svip
Administrator
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Sheesh, IGN thinks "Amazon Women in the Mood" is the best Futurama episode ever.
I am not saying it's bad (I laugh when I watch it), but it is certainly not the best.
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Bend-err
DOOP Secretary
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you can't spell ignorant without IGN...
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SorynArkayn
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« Reply #339 on: 08-06-2010 00:15 »
« Last Edit on: 08-06-2010 00:16 »
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Sheesh, IGN thinks "Amazon Women in the Mood" is the best Futurama episode ever.
I am not saying it's bad (I laugh when I watch it), but it is certainly not the best.
I agree that IGN isn't the best judge of quality, but I consider "Amazon Women in the Mood" to be one of the best episodes of Futurama. I consider it to be the funniest episodes. The "best" episode IMO is "Roswell That Ends Well". But given the choice between the two, I'd prefer to watch AWitM over RtEW, no question. And BTW, ripping on IGN is so fashionable that it's become ironically passe.
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SorynArkayn
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« Reply #344 on: 08-06-2010 04:14 »
« Last Edit on: 08-06-2010 12:12 by Gopher »
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IGN is pointless.Just like Fox News. The only justifiable news station is the Onion. but to get back on topic. The Late Phillip J. Fry is on about 90-95% of PEELers top 10 lists. Although I'm not so sure about "That Darn Katz". We'll have to see.
Don't even compare the two. FOX News is a 24-hour conversative propaganda platform and news- entertainment network. IGN might be lowest-common-denominator fanboy-service, but it in no way compares to FOX News.
Does it really matter what different people rate the new Futurama episodes, Soryn?
The ratings people give them aren't supposed to be absolute, they're supposed to show how much the person who gave the rating enjoyed the episode, so if someone gives one episode that you don't think is as good as another one a 10/10 and gives another really good one a 10/10 how does that in any way affect your opinion of the episodes or your ability to see something as great and something else as not great?
No; how other people rate these episodes doesn't matter to me; only my opinion matters. However, I can't understand how people can rate every single episode a 9 or 10. Don't they have standards? Don't they understand what scoring an episode is about? It's not about whether you like it or not -- a Yes or No answer would suffice for that. It's about how good you think the episode is. If a person gives every episode a 10, the score becomes meaningless, because there's no differentiation between a poor episode like IAGDL and and genuinely amazing episode like this one. I understand that these ratings are relative, not absolute; they're subjective, not objective. Regardless, the following is absolute: Anyone who gives every episode of Futurama a 10/10 is stupid!
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No; how other people rate these episodes doesn't matter to me; only my opinion matters.
However, I can't understand how people can rate every single episode a 9 or 10. Don't they have standards? Don't they understand what scoring an episode is about? It's not about whether you like it or not -- a Yes or No answer would suffice for that. It's about how good you think the episode is. If a person gives every episode a 10, the score becomes meaningless, because there's no differentiation between a poor episode like IAGDL and and genuinely amazing episode like this one.
I understand that these ratings are relative, not absolute; they're subjective, not objective. Regardless, the following is absolute: Anyone who gives every episode of Futurama a 10/10 is stupid!
If you don't care how other people rate the episodes then why do you keep bringing them up. if you think that it's not about how the viewer likes it, but how good the episode is. isn't that one in the same.
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SorynArkayn
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« Reply #347 on: 08-06-2010 11:59 »
« Last Edit on: 08-06-2010 12:03 »
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If you don't care how other people rate the episodes then why do you keep bringing them up.
if you think that it's not about how the viewer likes it, but how good the episode is. isn't that one in the same. I keep bringing them up to prove the point that people without standards are wrong. You can't just rate everything as 10/10 because you "like them". As I wrote before, if that's what this was about, the ratings polls could be replaced by: "Did you like this episode? Yes or No." But that's not what the polls are asking for. We're supposed to rate an episode based on how good (or bad) we consider it to be; and our ratings should be reflect whether we liked it or not. We're supposed to be all entitled to our own opinions; but if your opinion is the same for everything, it's meaningless. So my point is that the people who rated every new episode 10/10, their opinions are meaningless. And BTW, I suppose that I should include the douches who rated this episode really poorly too; they're ridiculous opinions are also meaningless. I can understand that some people might not have loved this episode as much as me or everyone else, but there's no denying it was a good episode. I can't imagine what rational person could hate this episode enough to rate it a 1. They're just stupid, bitter douchebags, so they're not entitled to their opinion either.
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Andreas
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« Reply #350 on: 08-06-2010 17:57 »
« Last Edit on: 08-06-2010 18:08 »
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Hitler says (I think, the last word is hard to make out) "Look at my mustache" in somewhat awkward German (google-translated?): "Betrachten Sie meinen Schnurrbart."
Yes, that is the translation, but actually there is a little mistake here: By saying "Betrachten SIE..." in german,you are addressing a group of (respected or non-familiar) individuals, creating an aura of distance and respect. Altough this is grammatically correct and polite, the real Hitler would not have said that to a croud, he would have shouted something like: "[...deutsches Volk,] betrachte meinen Schnurrbart !!!", addressing the german people as one familiar unit, which sounds mystical and, today, quite crazy.
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Andreas
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In german tv the first Futurama seasons had translations which where so lousy that it really hurt. So maybe I was just glad to find a little translation flaw that went the other way for a change
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Fnord
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Hitler says (I think, the last word is hard to make out) "Look at my mustache" in somewhat awkward German (google-translated?): "Betrachten Sie meinen Schnurrbart."
Yes, that is the translation, but actually there is a little mistake here: By saying "Betrachten SIE..." in german,you are addressing a group of (respected or non-familiar) individuals, creating an aura of distance and respect. Altough this is grammatically correct and polite, the real Hitler would not have said that to a croud, he would have shouted something like:
"[...deutsches Volk,] betrachte meinen Schnurrbart !!!",
In our universe/version of history, yes. But remember, this occurred in the version of history where Bender stepped on the first fish to crawl on land. This could easily* have affected the German grammar rules. (* imagine the Professor speaking this word.) _____________________________ ________
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ensignfry74
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Ok i just wanted to get a more detailed opinion of you reasoning, but i agree with you on your point. Soryn
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winna
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If you don't care how other people rate the episodes then why do you keep bringing them up.
if you think that it's not about how the viewer likes it, but how good the episode is. isn't that one in the same. I keep bringing them up to prove the point that people without standards are wrong. You can't just rate everything as 10/10 because you "like them". As I wrote before, if that's what this was about, the ratings polls could be replaced by: "Did you like this episode? Yes or No." But that's not what the polls are asking for. We're supposed to rate an episode based on how good (or bad) we consider it to be; and our ratings should be reflect whether we liked it or not.
We're supposed to be all entitled to our own opinions; but if your opinion is the same for everything, it's meaningless.
So my point is that the people who rated every new episode 10/10, their opinions are meaningless.
And BTW, I suppose that I should include the douches who rated this episode really poorly too; they're ridiculous opinions are also meaningless. I can understand that some people might not have loved this episode as much as me or everyone else, but there's no denying it was a good episode. I can't imagine what rational person could hate this episode enough to rate it a 1. They're just stupid, bitter douchebags, so they're not entitled to their opinion either.
Your argument is well put and merits its own share of validity... however, asking for the new application may be a futile attempt in substituting your own reality. People have illogical perceptions that are based on relative proximity. I think the CGEF ratings are pretty good indicators (I have my own opinions of course) and they use much larger datasets then the 12 people here who have been relisting their favorites in ascending order every 3 days. Just a few thoughts on the subject; no judgement calls or what for. The new season has already surpassed my expectations, and short of it doing a 180, I'm rather certain it will continue to do well in my humble opinion.
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