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winna

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« Reply #320 on: 08-04-2010 10:14 »

That.... was... the title.... of ... that.... book..........
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« Reply #321 on: 08-04-2010 14:24 »
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I'm going to piss everyone off. Time is neither a straight line nor cyclical its a mobius strip. lol I R trollin.

More like a klein bottle. shifty


Physical laws aren't symmetric under parity inversion.  They're only symmetric under simultaneous CPT-invariance.  So if the new universe were space-reversed, it would also be principally composed of antimatter and run backwards in time.  Or some junk like that.
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« Reply #322 on: 08-04-2010 16:12 »
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« Reply #323 on: 08-04-2010 18:30 »
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Just a quick distinction between hating and being mad. She didn't hate him, she was angry at him - an anger that shippers will see being born of her love for him. But I'll agree that 40 years is a long time to carry that anger, yet I think it's quite in character for Leela.
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« Reply #324 on: 08-05-2010 17:27 »

the episodes just keep getting better. it's like futurama is the polar opposite of family guy. which is a pretty good thing to be.
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« Reply #325 on: 08-05-2010 18:54 »

Okay, it's official. Best new episode of the (I'm not gonna say new run) new season.
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« Reply #326 on: 08-05-2010 21:05 »

I'm pleased that people recognize a genuinely exceptional episode of Futurama when they see it.

I found it so frustrating how some people rated previous episodes as 9s and 10s. This episode is a perfect example of why you should not rate every episode too highly, because it undermines the deservedly high ratings of great episodes like this.

To those people who rated episodes like Rebirth, IAGDL, and AotKA as 9s and 10s: How can you justify not being able to rate an exceptional episode like "The Late Philip J. Fry" any higher?
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« Reply #327 on: 08-05-2010 21:18 »

You're argument is about relativism.  I respect the merit of what you're saying, but it's not absolute.  You have assumed that the threshold for ratings is very small given a 10 point scale.... when in reality, it may be much larger.  Ie... the range of pleasing may be ginormous in order to rate an episode a 10.
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« Reply #328 on: 08-05-2010 21:37 »

You're argument is about relativism.  I respect the merit of what you're saying, but it's not absolute.  You have assumed that the threshold for ratings is very small given a 10 point scale.... when in reality, it may be much larger.  Ie... the range of pleasing may be ginormous in order to rate an episode a 10.
I understand that. It's precisely because we're all limited to a 10-point scale -- as opposed to a 100-point scale -- why I believe that people need to be more discerning when rating these episodes.

If the people who rated both IAGDL and this episode a 10/10, does that mean they liked them equally? Can they honestly claim that they're equally good episodes? I doubt it. I don't see how that's possible... unless they have no taste -- which I suppose is possible, hence their 10 score for IAGDL.
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« Reply #329 on: 08-05-2010 21:45 »

Actually... I missed something else...

Everybody is really rating on a 2 point scale.  Good = 10; Not Good = -1 (or closest equivalent).

People are really bad critics.

So they have no taste.
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« Reply #330 on: 08-05-2010 22:11 »

IGN thought differently than us and unfortunately gave it a not-so impressive 7.5. Oh well , it's their opinion (which in my opinion is a bad one).
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« Reply #331 on: 08-05-2010 22:15 »

Yea I'm surprised at that 7.5 that's kind of what I expect a C episode or average Futurama episode to check out as. I hate when people give something a 1 because they don't like it. Something needs to be severely broken and flawed to merit a 1 on a scale of 10.
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« Reply #332 on: 08-05-2010 22:30 »

That's because most people operate only on a 2 point scale.  Some people are wishywashy though, and their 1 is like a 3 and their 10 is like an 8.
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« Reply #333 on: 08-05-2010 23:00 »
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IGN thought differently than us and unfortunately gave it a not-so impressive 7.5. Oh well , it's their opinion (which in my opinion is a bad one).

I know, and I criticized the IGN reviewer in the comment section for rating it only a 7.5, in comparison to his ratings for "Lethal Inspection = 8" and "The Duh-Vinci Code = 9". His scores are totally bass-ackwards.

Regarding winna's comment on a 2 point scale, I'm going to paraphrase one of my college professors regarding his opinion of what he calls "Millennials", which he considers the generation of people born between 1980-1992 (in other words, his students' generation). He criticized them for their entitled attitude, and for being total drama queens when they felt like they were graded too harshly. He talked about how a student bitched to him for getting a 92%, because he thought that he deserved higher. He explained how in his generation, a C was "satisfactory", a B was "exceeds expections", an A was "excellent", and an A+ was "exceptional"; and the students who earned As and A+s on a regular basis were what we refer to as "gifted". But Millennials believe that they deserve As for satisfactory work and A+s for exceeding expections. And I agree with him that's how most Millennials are, and that's bullsh!t.

Based on the overly high scores for these new episodes by the majority of the people here, I believe that's what's been happening here. The people who I know who are Futurama fans are mostly Millennials, which technically includes me. Millennials consider anything less than a 7 to be a disgraceful failure, which is ridiculous. Do people not understand how a rating between 1 and 10 works? By definition, 5 is AVERAGE. On a Bell curve, the majority of Futurama episodes should rate between 4 and 6. Instead, most of them are rated between 7 and 9, and the most hated episodes are between 3 and 5.

That's f*cked up!

Basically, people need to develop higher standards. I return to be earlier point: If you rate everything as great, it just diminishes truly great works. So don't give an episode an 8, 9, or 10 just because you "liked it". If you liked it, start at 5, and go up according to how much you liked it. If you disliked, start a 5, and go down. Simple.
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« Reply #334 on: 08-05-2010 23:15 »

I'm glad video streaming exists, because if not, I would've had to wait months for Sky to air these episodes. Anyway, this next episode seems to be a pretty weird one that won't really feel like a "normal episode"- Cats trying to conquer the world? That's unusual.
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« Reply #335 on: 08-05-2010 23:17 »

So are Jewish Lobster's conquering the world, but that one turned out O.K.
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« Reply #336 on: 08-05-2010 23:52 »

Sheesh, IGN thinks "Amazon Women in the Mood" is the best Futurama episode ever.

I am not saying it's bad (I laugh when I watch it), but it is certainly not the best.
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« Reply #337 on: 08-05-2010 23:56 »

IGN is not something that I rate particularly highly as a source of "good" opinions, personally.
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« Reply #338 on: 08-05-2010 23:59 »

you can't spell ignorant without IGN...
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« Reply #339 on: 08-06-2010 00:15 »
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Sheesh, IGN thinks "Amazon Women in the Mood" is the best Futurama episode ever.

I am not saying it's bad (I laugh when I watch it), but it is certainly not the best.
I agree that IGN isn't the best judge of quality, but I consider "Amazon Women in the Mood" to be one of the best episodes of Futurama.

I consider it to be the funniest episodes. The "best" episode IMO is "Roswell That Ends Well". But given the choice between the two, I'd prefer to watch AWitM over RtEW, no question.

And BTW, ripping on IGN is so fashionable that it's become ironically passe.
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« Reply #340 on: 08-06-2010 00:53 »

Does it really matter what different people rate the new Futurama episodes, Soryn?

The ratings people give them aren't supposed to be absolute, they're supposed to show how much the person who gave the rating enjoyed the episode, so if someone gives one episode that you don't think is as good as another one a 10/10 and gives another really good one a 10/10 how does that in any way affect your opinion of the episodes or your ability to see something as great and something else as not great?
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« Reply #341 on: 08-06-2010 02:29 »

Loved this episode.  I loved all the different futures and thought the idea of time being cyclical.  Leela/Fry adding the emotional touch to the episode.  I guess that guy from The Cryonic Woman was right when he said he wanted to meet Shakespeare by freezing himself. 
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« Reply #342 on: 08-06-2010 03:08 »

IGN is pointless.Just like Fox News. The only justifiable news station is the Onion. but to get back on topic. The Late Phillip J. Fry is on about 90-95% of PEELers top 10 lists. Although I'm not so sure about "That Darn Katz". We'll have to see.
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« Reply #343 on: 08-06-2010 03:10 »
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Oops... Double post... Freakin' Opera web browser. Stealing the neighbors' Wi-Fi is not what it's all cracked up to be.
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« Reply #344 on: 08-06-2010 04:14 »
« Last Edit on: 08-06-2010 12:12 by Gopher »

IGN is pointless.Just like Fox News. The only justifiable news station is the Onion. but to get back on topic. The Late Phillip J. Fry is on about 90-95% of PEELers top 10 lists. Although I'm not so sure about "That Darn Katz". We'll have to see.
Don't even compare the two. FOX News is a 24-hour conversative propaganda platform and news-entertainment network.

IGN might be lowest-common-denominator fanboy-service, but it in no way compares to FOX News.


Does it really matter what different people rate the new Futurama episodes, Soryn?

The ratings people give them aren't supposed to be absolute, they're supposed to show how much the person who gave the rating enjoyed the episode, so if someone gives one episode that you don't think is as good as another one a 10/10 and gives another really good one a 10/10 how does that in any way affect your opinion of the episodes or your ability to see something as great and something else as not great?
No; how other people rate these episodes doesn't matter to me; only my opinion matters.

However, I can't understand how people can rate every single episode a 9 or 10. Don't they have standards? Don't they understand what scoring an episode is about? It's not about whether you like it or not -- a Yes or No answer would suffice for that. It's about how good you think the episode is. If a person gives every episode a 10, the score becomes meaningless, because there's no differentiation between a poor episode like IAGDL and and genuinely amazing episode like this one.

I understand that these ratings are relative, not absolute; they're subjective, not objective. Regardless, the following is absolute: Anyone who gives every episode of Futurama a 10/10 is stupid!
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« Reply #345 on: 08-06-2010 06:20 »

This is the first of the new episodes that I've seen.  Looks like Leela is still being a bitch to Fry.  I guess I haven't missed too much.

So, we've got time travel, characters being separated by time travel, and a character leaving a romantic message for another character that goes beyond the impossible.  I think we've seen this all before.  Some of the future time periods that they visited were pretty funny, at least.

Do a lot of the new episodes have sappy romantic storylines like this one?  If so, I'm kinda happy I haven't been watching them.  Season two did it better.
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« Reply #346 on: 08-06-2010 09:10 »




No; how other people rate these episodes doesn't matter to me; only my opinion matters.

However, I can't understand how people can rate every single episode a 9 or 10. Don't they have standards? Don't they understand what scoring an episode is about? It's not about whether you like it or not -- a Yes or No answer would suffice for that. It's about how good you think the episode is. If a person gives every episode a 10, the score becomes meaningless, because there's no differentiation between a poor episode like IAGDL and and genuinely amazing episode like this one.

I understand that these ratings are relative, not absolute; they're subjective, not objective. Regardless, the following is absolute: Anyone who gives every episode of Futurama a 10/10 is stupid!

If you don't care how other people rate the episodes then why do you keep bringing them up.

if you think that it's not about how the viewer likes it, but how good the episode is.  isn't that one in the same.

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« Reply #347 on: 08-06-2010 11:59 »
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If you don't care how other people rate the episodes then why do you keep bringing them up.

if you think that it's not about how the viewer likes it, but how good the episode is.  isn't that one in the same.
I keep bringing them up to prove the point that people without standards are wrong. You can't just rate everything as 10/10 because you "like them". As I wrote before, if that's what this was about, the ratings polls could be replaced by: "Did you like this episode? Yes or No." But that's not what the polls are asking for. We're supposed to rate an episode based on how good (or bad) we consider it to be; and our ratings should be reflect whether we liked it or not.

We're supposed to be all entitled to our own opinions; but if your opinion is the same for everything, it's meaningless.

So my point is that the people who rated every new episode 10/10, their opinions are meaningless.

And BTW, I suppose that I should include the douches who rated this episode really poorly too; they're ridiculous opinions are also meaningless. I can understand that some people might not have loved this episode as much as me or everyone else, but there's no denying it was a good episode. I can't imagine what rational person could hate this episode enough to rate it a 1. They're just stupid, bitter douchebags, so they're not entitled to their opinion either.
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« Reply #348 on: 08-06-2010 15:01 »

Season two did it better.
When? I could understand someone saying three or four did it better, but two? Seriously, when?
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« Reply #349 on: 08-06-2010 17:55 »

Season 3 is probably the most shippy season if you don't count the movies... I'm sure he meant to say season 3.
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« Reply #350 on: 08-06-2010 17:57 »
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Hitler says (I think, the last word is hard to make out) "Look at my mustache" in somewhat awkward German (google-translated?): "Betrachten Sie meinen Schnurrbart."
Yes, that is the translation, but actually there is a little mistake here:
By saying "Betrachten SIE..." in german,you are addressing a group of (respected or non-familiar) individuals, creating an aura of distance and respect. Altough this is grammatically correct and polite, the real Hitler would not have said that to a croud, he would have shouted something like:

"[...deutsches Volk,] betrachte meinen Schnurrbart !!!",

addressing the german people as one familiar unit, which sounds mystical and, today, quite crazy.
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« Reply #351 on: 08-06-2010 18:06 »

Maybe German just changed since the Hitler era since they didn't want to be associated with him. Thanks for translating from Hitlerese in that case.
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« Reply #352 on: 08-06-2010 18:23 »

In german tv the first Futurama seasons had translations which where so lousy that it really hurt. no no
So maybe I was just glad to find a little translation flaw that went the other way for a change smile
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« Reply #353 on: 08-07-2010 02:35 »

Hitler says (I think, the last word is hard to make out) "Look at my mustache" in somewhat awkward German (google-translated?): "Betrachten Sie meinen Schnurrbart."
Yes, that is the translation, but actually there is a little mistake here:
By saying "Betrachten SIE..." in german,you are addressing a group of (respected or non-familiar) individuals, creating an aura of distance and respect. Altough this is grammatically correct and polite, the real Hitler would not have said that to a croud, he would have shouted something like:

"[...deutsches Volk,] betrachte meinen Schnurrbart !!!",

In our universe/version of history, yes. But remember, this occurred in the version of history where Bender stepped on the first fish to crawl on land. This could easily* have affected the German grammar rules.

(* imagine the Professor speaking this word.)

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« Reply #354 on: 08-07-2010 06:11 »

Ok i just wanted to get a more detailed opinion of you reasoning, but i agree with you on your point.  Soryn
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« Reply #355 on: 08-07-2010 07:34 »

Season 3 is probably the most shippy season if you don't count the movies... I'm sure he meant to say season 3.

Well, I was thinking that "Parasites Lost" was season two instead of season three, so you've got me there, but I was also thinking of season two episodes like "Xmas Story," "Put Your Head on My Shoulders," "A Bicyclops Built for Two," or even "War is the H-Word."  Subtlety is good too.
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« Reply #356 on: 08-08-2010 08:41 »

I don't know if anyone said this before, but life on Earth might not end in the year one billion, for from what I know the sun will turn into a red giant in 5 billion years. Unless there was some other thing why the Earth was turned into a wasteland in the year 1 billion. Perhaps Fry, may have another part in saving universe so it may live eternally/forever?

As for the episode it was the best of the new season so far by my opinion.
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« Reply #357 on: 08-08-2010 09:41 »

If you don't care how other people rate the episodes then why do you keep bringing them up.

if you think that it's not about how the viewer likes it, but how good the episode is.  isn't that one in the same.
I keep bringing them up to prove the point that people without standards are wrong. You can't just rate everything as 10/10 because you "like them". As I wrote before, if that's what this was about, the ratings polls could be replaced by: "Did you like this episode? Yes or No." But that's not what the polls are asking for. We're supposed to rate an episode based on how good (or bad) we consider it to be; and our ratings should be reflect whether we liked it or not.

We're supposed to be all entitled to our own opinions; but if your opinion is the same for everything, it's meaningless.

So my point is that the people who rated every new episode 10/10, their opinions are meaningless.

And BTW, I suppose that I should include the douches who rated this episode really poorly too; they're ridiculous opinions are also meaningless. I can understand that some people might not have loved this episode as much as me or everyone else, but there's no denying it was a good episode. I can't imagine what rational person could hate this episode enough to rate it a 1. They're just stupid, bitter douchebags, so they're not entitled to their opinion either.

Your argument is well put and merits its own share of validity... however, asking for the new application may be a futile attempt in substituting your own reality.  People have illogical perceptions that are based on relative proximity.

I think the CGEF ratings are pretty good indicators (I have my own opinions of course) and they use much larger datasets then the 12 people here who have been relisting their favorites in ascending order every 3 days. 

Just a few thoughts on the subject; no judgement calls or what for.  The new season has already surpassed my expectations, and short of it doing a 180, I'm rather certain it will continue to do well in my humble opinion.
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« Reply #358 on: 08-08-2010 09:52 »

I don't know if anyone said this before, but life on Earth might not end in the year one billion, for from what I know the sun will turn into a red giant in 5 billion years.

No one said that all life on Earth had ended due to the sun turning into a red giant, though. The sun turning into a red giant isn't the only thing that could end all life on Earth.
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« Reply #359 on: 08-08-2010 11:00 »

Also, the sun turning into a red giant would boil off our atmosphere. There seemed to be an atmosphere in the year 1 billion.
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