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« Reply #160 on: 07-30-2010 21:12 »


So lots can chance.  Hell, "Roswell that Ends Well" (which from this forum I get the impression is the best or one of the top 5 at least episodes) ranks in as number 6.  A position it shares with 3 other episodes.

Maybe the PEELers are wrong?

...Maybe but aren't some of those reviews completely throwaway? Roswell deserves top 5 if not top 3.

Well, many of these ratings are either joke ratings or highly guided in the wrong direction.  I wish there was some way of calculating a more accurate proportional difference using the actual amount of ratings an episode had compared to another.  And also in the quantity of text supplied by each rating.  But imagine all the time that would require to write an algorithm.
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« Reply #161 on: 07-30-2010 21:52 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2010 22:05 by totalnerduk »

Friggin' brilliant. That's all I have to say.

Edit: I have more to say now. 8/10, almost as good as Roswell. Not quite though, due to the Planet Of The Apes joke being dragged out too long and "cyclical time" being predictable and irritating.

Otherwise, pefect Futurama.
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« Reply #162 on: 07-30-2010 22:05 »

Brilliant episode indeed!  Loved the Planet of the Apes, and Time Machine references!  It was cool to see Fry, Bender, and the Professor go through different eras and Bender wanting to see the era where the machines take over while Fry and the Professor wanted to see the era with the women!  Classic!  The Big Bang was cool and reliving historical events was great, too!  The subplot with Leela, Hermes, Cubert, Amy, and Zoidberg was fun as well as it was heart touching!   The beginning where Bender annoys Fry with that hookerbot was hilarious!  'Hambone!  Hambone'!  Too bad Fry didn't get out of bed we see he wears really childish pajama bottoms!  The end with Fry and Leela was great, too!  Awesome from beginning to end!  5/5! 
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« Reply #163 on: 07-30-2010 22:12 »

Well, many of these ratings are either joke ratings or highly guided in the wrong direction.


Too true. Giving this episode a 1 is proof of that.

I wish there was some way of calculating a more accurate proportional difference using the actual amount of ratings an episode had compared to another.  And also in the quantity of text supplied by each rating.  But imagine all the time that would require to write an algorithm.

I completely agree with what you're saying but would that work either? Couldn't someone just write up a badly done mess of words that would foul things up? Still...it would be better than what we have now.

Then again, opinions still count no matter how misguided they are. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you have to take the good with the bad. Nothing will ever be completely accurate, since even the haters/trolls have their opinions and erasing them from the equation would be censorship. Plus, the overly bias fans only adds to the problem. Overall, that would lead to distortion in the rating.

Big props though to whomever organized that private Futurama review site, where each episode has various categories to be analyzed and critiqued in depth. That's probably as good as it's gonna get.
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« Reply #164 on: 07-30-2010 22:17 »

10/10

Awesome, awesome, awesome! Easily one of the greatest Futurama episodes.

It was fun to watch (I especially liked the song) but also very touching! Little shipper inside me was very pleased.
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« Reply #165 on: 07-30-2010 22:33 »

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Hitler says (I think, the last word is hard to make out) "Look at my mustache" in somewhat awkward German (google-translated?): "Betrachten Sie meinen Schnurrbart."

He actually says: Mustache-beard. (i'm dutch so i knew the last word. but i think mustache works better
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« Reply #166 on: 07-30-2010 22:36 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2010 22:41 »

Agreed. Not to mention Leela being mad at Fry for always being late seemed extremely girlfriend-ish. I really want them to stay like this now, and we have after all been promised a few episodes this season focusing on their relationship (this and Rebirth being two of them).

I totally agree. I'm really glad that this episode focused on Fry and Leela's relationship, and the part with the stalacmites and with them on the bridge was very cute.


And i hope (though i don't think it will happen) that someone puts the background track that plays during the universe ends and the part with the stalacmites online.
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« Reply #167 on: 07-30-2010 22:38 »

Hey, the redheaded woman from the promo picture had her hair changed! Well, no matter.

Er...so why is the time machine immune to the universe being destroyed around it? Or is it by design a metaphysical thing that, during time travel, exists outside of the time and space visible outside of its windows?
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« Reply #168 on: 07-30-2010 22:50 »

I think that because the machine travels outside of time, time does not affect it. Essentially, the machine exists at a single point across time, which would neatly explain why it can't travel backwards.
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« Reply #169 on: 07-30-2010 23:03 »

Fair enough.
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« Reply #170 on: 07-30-2010 23:09 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2010 23:26 »

Funny.  Disturbing.  Brilliant.  Beautiful animation, beautiful story, haunting music.  

You know, ever since "Benders Big Score" was released I admit to feeling at times that I was making myself enjoy the new material because everyone fought so hard to have it come back, and I always felt my enthusiasm was a bit forced, even for "Wild Green Yonder."

This episode made me remember what it felt like to see one of the truly great episodes of Futurama, and it had nothing to do with humor.  There was always that moment of surprise, a mental drop of the jaw, when you suddenly realized that although the cartoon was supposed to be a comedy/parody of science fiction, at certain moments it itself became great science fiction, a mini-epic with stark and fundamental insights into life, leaving you bewildered and a little shaken that it could be that profound and yet still be funny.  I never stuck with Futurama because it was a funny show.  It stuck around because I knew that occasionally (not always), it became a great work of animation.

Groening said that this idea had been lying around a long time, from pre-cancellation days.  Why wasn't this one made into one of the four movies?  No matter, they really did it.  They really brought back Futurama.

P.S.:  Loved how Fry's tear landed on the stalagmite, just another drop of water over a billion years...
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« Reply #171 on: 07-30-2010 23:12 »

AWESOME episode!

It's a pity that they didn't get to explore each time period, but I guess you can't do miracles in 21 min of episode.

Loved seeing the old episodes as they went forward the second time around and the time periods we can see when Fry is frozen. It felt nostalgic smile

The second time I watched and noticed that in year 10,000 there was alien language to decode I had a fun few minutes. I laughed hard when I finally decoded it. There has been alien language the last 2 episodes I hope there is more to come! wohooo!

The FryXLeela ending was very cute.

I give it a 10/10
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« Reply #172 on: 07-30-2010 23:37 »

Fan-freakin-tastic!
This episode had just the right amount of humor and emotional touch. This is easily the best episode of the season so far. Oh ya, and the music was actually really great in this episode and the animation was top notch. I think I will have to re-watch this episode to give it my final rating........right now I give it 9.5/10. I'll just have to let this episode settle in...it was just so mind blowing!
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« Reply #173 on: 07-30-2010 23:40 »

This was amazing! Two great classic episodes in a row! I have a feeling we're back to the Futurama we know and love!

I know that I'm a black sheep on this one, but, I actually preferred Lethal Inspection over this one. I dunno why, but this one felt like it was too much of a combination of Roswell and Bender's Big Score. Well, actually, I DO know why. I know that this was penned BEFORE BBS, but still...
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« Reply #174 on: 07-30-2010 23:51 »

Edit: I have more to say now. 8/10, almost as good as Roswell. Not quite though, due to the Planet Of The Apes joke being dragged out too long and "cyclical time" being predictable and irritating.

I thought what made the Planet of the Apes joke funny was that it was dragged out.  You weren't expecting it to continue, I like jokes like that.  Then again, I like Monty Python, so I guess I am biased.  As for the cyclical time thing being predictable; yes, but irritating?  I really can't see why.
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« Reply #175 on: 07-30-2010 23:52 »

Best episode since Luck of the Fryrish?
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« Reply #176 on: 07-30-2010 23:53 »

I watched it again today to see if there were any frames where you can see Old Leela from Fry's perspective and there's like maybe two or three frames but you can actually barely see Leela right as the time machine starts going.



Great detail!
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« Reply #177 on: 07-31-2010 00:23 »

Sorry, but those stalagmites would have been so much bigger after 999996950 years. Other than that, excellent. I gave it 8/10 cause I'm feeling picky.

But the fact that the cave still exists after a billion years doesn't bother you.

Not in the slightest. Weird isn't it? I'll suspend belief for one thing but not another, then again, to say the size of the stalagmites actually bothers me is probably stretching it. Like I said, I'm feeling picky.

Heh.

It's also highly unlikely that there'd be any oxygen on Earth one billion years in the future if there's no biological life.
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« Reply #178 on: 07-31-2010 00:25 »

I watched it again today to see if there were any frames where you can see Old Leela from Fry's perspective and there's like maybe two or three frames but you can actually barely see Leela right as the time machine starts going.



Great detail!

vn.  Can you make out the greeting card at all?
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« Reply #179 on: 07-31-2010 00:36 »

Near her ear.
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« Reply #180 on: 07-31-2010 00:51 »

Sorry, but those stalagmites would have been so much bigger after 999996950 years. Other than that, excellent. I gave it 8/10 cause I'm feeling picky.

But the fact that the cave still exists after a billion years doesn't bother you.

Not in the slightest. Weird isn't it? I'll suspend belief for one thing but not another, then again, to say the size of the stalagmites actually bothers me is probably stretching it. Like I said, I'm feeling picky.

Heh.

It's also highly unlikely that there'd be any oxygen on Earth one billion years in the future if there's no biological life.

It's completely possible that the time-machine was air-tight and had a good supply of oxygen.
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« Reply #181 on: 07-31-2010 00:55 »

Given what they experienced probably lasted about a day, I am going with 'yeah, probably enough oxygen loaded on to go around'.
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« Reply #182 on: 07-31-2010 01:11 »

Best episode since Luck of the Fryrish?
That would be calling it better than The Why of Fry, Jurassic Bark, and Roswell That Ends Well. I don't think I'd call it better, but I'd put it in their league.
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« Reply #183 on: 07-31-2010 01:14 »
« Last Edit on: 07-31-2010 01:21 »

I'd say on par with Why of Fry, better than Jurassic Bark (always thought it was overrated) and not as good as Roswell (Probably my third-favorite episode ever, that or Where No Fan...).  Definitely top 10 overall.

Edit: You know what?  Let's do this, Leeroy Jenkins.

1. Luck of the Fryrish
2. Amazon Women in the Mood
3. Roswell that Ends Well
4. Where No Fan Has Gone Before
5. The Late Philip J Fry
6. A Head in the Polls
7. Love and Rocket
8. Devil's Hands ...
9. The Sting
10. How Hermes Requisitioned ...

Everything other than 1-4 is subject to change, of course.
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« Reply #184 on: 07-31-2010 01:22 »

Where is "The Problem with Popplers"?
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« Reply #185 on: 07-31-2010 01:35 »

How Hermes eked it out for the 10 spot.
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« Reply #186 on: 07-31-2010 01:59 »

Reading through all these raves I must be the only one who had a problem with this episode.  I loved it all the way up to the ending. The way I first took the ending is that The Professor, Fry and Bender are interlopers in a universe two removed from the one they originated in and the Leela that Fry stood up is long dead.  WAY long dead. Thinking that the original Leela is dead two universes ago and that she died sad and lonely... it makes me realize what a real affinity I have for these characters and how real they have become to me, despite the fantastic and absurd nature of Futurama.   Especially after it was canceled once, it is almost like losing it again!

I much prefer the endless loop theory where they showed up in the same universe they originated in, ten feet higher than they left.  (Maybe recoil from the prof's gun out the window changed their trajectory, LOL.)  The endless loop is something DC Comics has used in some of their Silver Age books and my thought as the episode progressed was if they keep going forward enough, they will end up where they started... but NOT in a different universe, but in the same one they originated in.

Sigh- I hate time travel and the paradoxes, etc, (though I did not have a problem with Roswell that Ends Well.)  Star Trek wore it out so much they should have renamed it Time Trek.  Look at it-

Generations= time travel
First Contact= time travel
Star Trek reboot= time travel

That's 3 out of the final five movies that used it as a major plot fixture, not to mention all the episodes and Star Trek IV. 

I know it is just a cartoon and I can take it any way I want it.  The only way I could accept the Star Trek reboot (excellent as it was) was a parallel universe as I don't like the idea of 40 years worth of adventures "never actually happening."

So- to me, they ended up in the same universe, NOT in one two removed from the original, where everyone is just reborn versions of the originals.  Anyone else feel the same was as I?
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« Reply #187 on: 07-31-2010 02:03 »

Where is "The Problem with Popplers"?

Could ask the same thing about the other 65+ episodes, opinion is opinion!
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« Reply #188 on: 07-31-2010 03:46 »

Reading through all these raves I must be the only one who had a problem with this episode.  I loved it all the way up to the ending. The way I first took the ending is that The Professor, Fry and Bender are interlopers in a universe two removed from the one they originated in and the Leela that Fry stood up is long dead.  WAY long dead. Thinking that the original Leela is dead two universes ago and that she died sad and lonely... it makes me realize what a real affinity I have for these characters and how real they have become to me, despite the fantastic and absurd nature of Futurama.   Especially after it was canceled once, it is almost like losing it again!

I much prefer the endless loop theory where they showed up in the same universe they originated in, ten feet higher than they left.  (Maybe recoil from the prof's gun out the window changed their trajectory, LOL.)  The endless loop is something DC Comics has used in some of their Silver Age books and my thought as the episode progressed was if they keep going forward enough, they will end up where they started... but NOT in a different universe, but in the same one they originated in.

Sigh- I hate time travel and the paradoxes, etc, (though I did not have a problem with Roswell that Ends Well.)  Star Trek wore it out so much they should have renamed it Time Trek.  Look at it-

Generations= time travel
First Contact= time travel
Star Trek reboot= time travel

That's 3 out of the final five movies that used it as a major plot fixture, not to mention all the episodes and Star Trek IV. 

I know it is just a cartoon and I can take it any way I want it.  The only way I could accept the Star Trek reboot (excellent as it was) was a parallel universe as I don't like the idea of 40 years worth of adventures "never actually happening."

So- to me, they ended up in the same universe, NOT in one two removed from the original, where everyone is just reborn versions of the originals.  Anyone else feel the same was as I?

All we really know is that Leela #1 spent 40 years angry @ Fry #1 and basically alone. Maybe in 3050 #3, Fry #1 will fall through a wormhole and end up back with Leela #1 and they'll live to 150 together.
I actually really like that this show is willing to have those 40 sad years for Leela #1 and not just wipe them out as "alternate time line never happened", but at the same time create a happy now for Fry #1 & Leela #3 still crossed with the tragicomic end for Fry, Professor & Bender #'s 3. To quote some even bigger nerds "Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful."

After another viewing and a half, I'm not really sure what my reservations were any more. Yeah, a few beats didn't work perfectly, but this is definitely top shelf, and gets better watching again.

A few more thoughts: Great rare bit of cartoon gravity when the time machine emerges into regular time, but like Elmer Fudd running off a cliff, hangs in space until the professor points out that the new universe is 10 feet lower.

Is the merman-shrimp beast the result of DXC's love of the anglerfish?

On the subject of "The Problem with Popplers", having just watched "More Tribbles, More Troubles", I'm sort of upset they didn't fit in an ep called "More Popplers, More Problems." But not that upset.
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« Reply #189 on: 07-31-2010 03:49 »
« Last Edit on: 07-31-2010 04:25 »

Friggin' brilliant. That's all I have to say.

Edit: I have more to say now. 8/10, almost as good as Roswell. Not quite though, due to the Planet Of The Apes joke being dragged out too long and "cyclical time" being predictable and irritating.

Otherwise, pefect Futurama.

Not quite brilliant, but approaching brilliance.  I have the same criticisms although it is a slightly different universe with the assassination; I suppose the joke there is that what's-her-name didn't affect history.

...So- to me, they ended up in the same universe, NOT in one two removed from the original where everyone is just reborn versions of the originals.  Anyone else feel the same was as I?

The first viewing left me depressed, thinking about the unfulfilled life of that particular Leela, but after the third time through the episode I'm willing to go with the flow and forget about which Fry is in love with which Leela and who is original, etc.  I've decided not to devalue the characters as an odd collection of replacements and to just gloss over their bizarre origins and just enjoy the show.  Too bad for Leela in the first iteration of universe a, but I guess I can always smile about how well things worked out for her and Fry in at least one iteration of universe b.

Loved "Don't sweat it, man" and the bit with the dumb-locks and Bender mocking Fry with "Nal-nigh! We can go plbblpppbblp!"
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« Reply #190 on: 07-31-2010 03:51 »

I just watched it for a second time and liked it even more. A truly wonderful episode.

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A few more thoughts: Great rare bit of cartoon gravity when the time machine emerges into regular time, but like Elmer Fudd running off a cliff, hangs in space until the professor points out that the new universe is 10 feet lower.
I just took it as the time machine taking a bit of while to become part of that space and time again.
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« Reply #191 on: 07-31-2010 04:53 »

I feel really really sad that all the characters that we all knew and loved are dead!  I loved the episode beyond measure!  It may be a new favorite, but.....a BIG but, it has made me feel really sad.  I feel sad they way I felt when star trek killed data.  I knew that they would find some way to bring back his original character with the B4 character but the data I have loved for so long was really and truly destroyed.  That's how I feel.  The characters from now one will not be the ones that we have all come to adore.  That is something that will bother me forever  ( regarding this show at least)
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« Reply #192 on: 07-31-2010 05:06 »

This episode was great and they played most of the moments right to hit the right emotions. It had all the elements of a classic episode, but it's not a crowning glory like "Roswell that Ends Well". The more I think about it, the more I end up thinking more about the time-traveling plotholes. For example, in many old-time time-travel stories, we see somebody travel to the past and accidentally kill something, but then end up disappearing or returning to a distopian future from that death. Bender did kill the legged fish the first time around, and Farnsworth killed what is the most influential man of the 20th century. Yet, it still had no impact on the events in the future. It seems like the writers could have used that opportunity to show a drastically different 3000 so then Farnsworth would have to go another cycle again to return the present to the state of which they left it instead of utilizing the gag that Farnsworth looses control and causes the time machine to flux forward again. If anything, this episode teaches the viewer a lesson they should've learned from Austin Powers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8w95xIdH4o

This lesson does not apply to "Bender's Big Score". "Bender's Big Score" destroyed everything we love. Even though the episode practically references the movie twice, I find that I do not consider the events canon.
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« Reply #193 on: 07-31-2010 05:07 »

I feel really really sad that all the characters that we all knew and loved are dead!  I loved the episode beyond measure!  It may be a new favorite, but.....a BIG but, it has made me feel really sad.  I feel sad they way I felt when star trek killed data.  I knew that they would find some way to bring back his original character with the B4 character but the data I have loved for so long was really and truly destroyed.  That's how I feel.  The characters from now one will not be the ones that we have all come to adore.  That is something that will bother me forever  ( regarding this show at least)

They are the same. It's not like it's an alternate universe, just a later one. Every re-birth of the universe is exactly the same. On another note, everything that is happening has happened an infinite number of times before. The characters are the same characters, just it's in a different universe. Thus they have done all the same things we love them for. Nothing's changed them.
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« Reply #194 on: 07-31-2010 05:44 »

This episode was great and they played most of the moments right to hit the right emotions. It had all the elements of a classic episode, but it's not a crowning glory like "Roswell that Ends Well". The more I think about it, the more I end up thinking more about the time-traveling plotholes. For example, in many old-time time-travel stories, we see somebody travel to the past and accidentally kill something, but then end up disappearing or returning to a distopian future from that death. Bender did kill the legged fish the first time around, and Farnsworth killed what is the most influential man of the 20th century. Yet, it still had no impact on the events in the future. It seems like the writers could have used that opportunity to show a drastically different 3000 so then Farnsworth would have to go another cycle again to return the present to the state of which they left it instead of utilizing the gag that Farnsworth looses control and causes the time machine to flux forward again. If anything, this episode teaches the viewer a lesson they should've learned from Austin Powers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8w95xIdH4o

This lesson does not apply to "Bender's Big Score". "Bender's Big Score" destroyed everything we love. Even though the episode practically references the movie twice, I find that I do not consider the events canon.

The Simpsons' Treehouse of Horror V pretty much laid to rest the whole butterfly-effect gag.

And if there's a coherent theory of time travel, determinism and personal identity that validates "Roswell" above Futurama's other time travel episodes, I'd like to hear it.
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« Reply #195 on: 07-31-2010 06:06 »

BBS makes complete sense I don't know why you think its so horrible. Time travel in Futurama has always followed the same formula.
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« Reply #196 on: 07-31-2010 07:14 »

I feel really really sad that all the characters that we all knew and loved are dead!  I loved the episode beyond measure!  It may be a new favorite, but.....a BIG but, it has made me feel really sad.  I feel sad they way I felt when star trek killed data.  I knew that they would find some way to bring back his original character with the B4 character but the data I have loved for so long was really and truly destroyed.  That's how I feel.  The characters from now one will not be the ones that we have all come to adore.  That is something that will bother me forever  ( regarding this show at least)

They are the same.

Tell that to Eleanor Roosevelt's head-in-a-jar.
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« Reply #197 on: 07-31-2010 08:30 »

Actually, regarding Bender's Big Score, it's probably worth bringing up here.  I think on the Infosphere page, it's mentioned that the time machine does seem to jolt up and to the side at one point (I'd have to watch closely myself to see if that's true), which would explain why it ends up above the other version of the crew...and I like to think that it follows the time travel rules established in BBS, where the crew below them are "time clones" that are, in fact, doomed.  So, the machine HAD to end up above them somehow and crush them to "fix" the paradox as always. 

Also, assuming the machine really does "jolt" out of place, then it leads the Professor to think that it's actually an alternate universe, when it's really just the same one (albeit looped around) as others have suggested....which also allows the writers to cause huge debates, and then quell and/or fuel those debates on the eventual audio commentary.  Pretty awesome, but in any case, I like to go with the "same universe but looped back around" theory.

Anyway, not much else to say that hasn't already been said, probably, so I'll just say, fantastic episode.  One of the best ever.
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« Reply #198 on: 07-31-2010 08:35 »

Just saw the episode again tonight, and I loved it even more the second time.
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« Reply #199 on: 07-31-2010 11:20 »

-sigh- Once again, I find myself reading posts by people who fail to grasp the essential facts of time travel. Let's lay some things out logically.

1) The past is the past. Whatever has happened stays happened.
2) The future isn't quite finished yet. Whatever is going to happen can be altered or might not happen at all.
3) Any time the future and the past cross paths (ie, time travel), we have either a paradox, an alternate timeline, or a closed loop.

Now, with this in mind, the cyclical nature of time in the Futuramaverse strongly implies that whilst there's a little "wiggle room", the timeline is more or less fixed. By the end of time, the only thing that's left is the past, and so everything that has happened, has happened. If something is changed during one cycle, it won't have a drastic effect on anything else, because everything else that it effects has already happened, and would need to be manually altered to fit. So if Farnsworth kills Hitler, somebody else will step into his role, and WWII will play out as before.

If he kills Eleanor Roosevelt on the next cycle, then it's not going to affect too much either. If he kills himself at an earlier point in time by dropping a time machine on him, then since he's already made the trip forward, he's already survived that point in time and it doesn't matter what he does to any version of himself in the past. Because whatever he changes, the things that have already happened to him have already happened, and are not affected by the changes. Think of it as a cartoon, where each frame would have to be manually altered to produce a noticeable difference. This is one of the irritating implications of cyclical time: that a paradox can go unnoticed, and in fact not be paradoxical at all, because it was always going to happen, has already happened, and doesn't change anything that happened instead, because that's already happened as well. Which is itself paradoxical.

It fits with the closed loops caused by BBS and RTEW, though, so I suppose it's not as tremendously upsetting and annoying as it could be. Still, it might futz with some people's heads.

I wish that this premise had been used instead of the nudist scammers as the time travel plot in BBS, 'cause the episode felt a little short to do the premise justice, but overall, Futurama has now taken several methods of time travel and managed to fit them into the same universe whilst maintaining a degree of making sense. This gives me a nerd happy.

Also, I loved the song. big grin Especially the part where we're enslaved by giraffes.
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