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rockafeller
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« Reply #40 on: 07-16-2010 06:51 »

very good episode.  
loved the cameo of Space Pope!!

was it just me or was the music amazing????!! loved the fly into Futurome, the music especially.  Christopher Tyng is an amazing composer.  

and old school doomsday device?? very cool.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #41 on: 07-16-2010 06:53 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2010 07:02 »

I guess I'm going to have to draw the Mile Deep Club now.

Uh, yeah...does that term mean what I think it means? Judging by Fry's reaction in the episode, I assume it does... flirt

I loved Fry's frustrated reaction when he was thwarted by the Professor. Frustrated love = great comedy. More, more!
FishyJoe

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« Reply #42 on: 07-16-2010 06:56 »

I might have to watch it again. Not a huge fan of this one on first viewing.

Mostly it's the Da Vinci Code stuff. Never read the book, never saw the movie...the whole thing seems boring to me, and the parody stuff just bored me. Non-stop "OMGs"...is that part of the Da Vinci Code parody, or did the writers just have nothing else for the characters to say?

Felt like this should have been a plot for the Futurama comics. But I liked Da Vinci being an idiot on his planet, and Fry saving the day was fun. What more can I say? It wasn't terrible, but it just wasn't my kind of episode.
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #43 on: 07-16-2010 06:58 »

personally i found this episode on par with episode such as "mars university" and "parasites lost", both classic awesome futurama, in my book.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #44 on: 07-16-2010 07:01 »

Not this type of character development, no. There's no need for this. Character development is not making the characters do new things.

Uh, that's how character development is done, dude. When a character does something new, it's a new development, and if it's done right, we learn more about that character. Contrarywise, if a character does the same thing all the time, he doesn't develop, and we learn nothing. And in time the character gets boooooorrrrinnngggg.

This episode developed the relationship between Fry and his last living relative, and that was a development that was long overdue in my opinion. I loved it.
vonboy
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« Reply #45 on: 07-16-2010 07:04 »

"i'm not big boned, i'm just fat!" does sound like a southpark reference to me. could it just be a coincidence?

i liked this episode. it was over the top and crazy, but in a good way.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #46 on: 07-16-2010 07:16 »

Because people claiming that they're not fat but big boned never happened before South Park...
Smarty

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« Reply #47 on: 07-16-2010 07:18 »


My only quibble: Fry was in the hospital for 2 weeks and nobody visited him - not even Leela? I've seen shows go downhill after they begin selling out a character or a relationship for a cheap laugh; hopefully Futurama will avoid going down that path. That "joke" took me right out of the story for a moment.


Well obviously she has something for him if she was willing to join the "Mile Deep Club." Yeah, they aren't officially together. They aren't "going steady." It is very normal Futurama. They've done it before.
bend_her

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« Reply #48 on: 07-16-2010 07:44 »

Classic Futurama gags all around, including the holographic opera-themed math course. The "Fry-is-dumb" theme didn't seem to bother me as much as it did some folks here. I liked Bender shouting "Give him hell, Morbo!" during the game show, the Professor going "Oh no! But possibly yes!" and the fact that Zoidberg's "doctorate" is in art history (explains a lot, eh?)

The space pope made me dribble beer out of my nose, lol!

One thing bothered me: why does a space ship need wings or a propeller?
aikidough
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« Reply #49 on: 07-16-2010 07:52 »

i liked the finglonger 2.0
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #50 on: 07-16-2010 07:53 »

I just didn't like Leela's acceptance of the mile deep club...

Why not?  While thw writers aren't slapping us in the face about Fry and Leela now having a different and closer relationship, it's obvious.  At one time she would have joined in on the "Fry is so stupid..." group at the table, but she defended him the best she could.

If she's comfortable enough to let him hang around when she's naked and to share her deepest thoughts with, along with declaring love for him, it would seem natural that they have a physical relationship.


I thought her casual acceptance of the "Mile Under Club" proposition showed a small insight to the Fry/Leela relationship and the fact that it's improving.

I think it's a smart move by the writers to give the shippers a little crumb to enjoy in an episode that doesn't focus on Leela very much.
soylentOrange

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« Reply #51 on: 07-16-2010 07:56 »

fantastic episode. I thoroughly enjpyed the Da Vinci Code parody, especially the part where Bender took on the octopus in the fountain.  Hermes had some good lines, like "Oh my god, I'm not big boned. I'm fat!" and "Didn't we used to be a delivery company?".  It was also great to see jokes appearing about calculus and Higgs bosons.

I wasn't expecting Leela's acceptance of Fry's offer to join the 'mile deep club'.  It looks like the writers havent completely hit the reset button on her and Fry's relationship.  The writers must just be planning to keep it in the background and only call attention to it every once in awhile.  That's exactly what I was hoping they'd do.  

Ralph Snart

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« Reply #52 on: 07-16-2010 08:02 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2010 08:07 »

Loved it! I love Divinci though cause I'm an artist =)

"Wanna join the mile deep club?"
"SURE WHY NOT."

See my comments above.  I guess art of that will come from Freako since that kind of thing isn't your claim-to-fame.  However, you being the biggest shipper around since Venus isn't posting and Frieda doesn't do fan art, if you kept it romantic and classy...

(Ralph's way of suggesting a piece of fan art, maybe?  I know, you're busy with real life and time isn't really there for you to go off-schedule.)

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::blush:: such language, young lady!

(Actually, you bought a laugh from me with that comment.)
JavieR

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« Reply #53 on: 07-16-2010 08:29 »

True, the episode was kinda in a hurry in some parts.. but it was good... not the best , but good imo.

One good point was mentioned by Hermes:
"Didn't we used to be a delivery company?"

Funny but true big grin. It reminded me this Bender quote from episode "3acv21 - Future Stock":
"I don't even know what we do. Nah, just kidding. Heh. What are we like a bus or something?"

All I've to say is that I'm enjoying every minute of the new Futurama, even when I know some of the jokes and some episodes were not the best.
rockafeller
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« Reply #54 on: 07-16-2010 08:30 »

i liked the finglonger 2.0

OMG i just remembered that!! haha i laughed so hard when he pulled that out!
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #55 on: 07-16-2010 08:57 »

One good point was mentioned by Hermes:
"Didn't we used to be a delivery company?"

Funny but true big grin. It reminded me this Bender quote from episode "3acv21 - Future Stock":
"I don't even know what we do. Nah, just kidding. Heh. What are we like a bus or something?"

It's funny that in five episodes that they've only done one delivery. I want deliveries back!
MovieMurderer

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« Reply #56 on: 07-16-2010 09:14 »

One good point was mentioned by Hermes:
"Didn't we used to be a delivery company?"

Funny but true big grin. It reminded me this Bender quote from episode "3acv21 - Future Stock":
"I don't even know what we do. Nah, just kidding. Heh. What are we like a bus or something?"

It's funny that in five episodes that they've only done one delivery. I want deliveries back!

And THAT delivery only took two minutes.
Freako

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« Reply #57 on: 07-16-2010 10:41 »

Kinda weird how that so called "space craft" would not be able to steer speed up slow down or direct itself in zero gravity.
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #58 on: 07-16-2010 10:49 »

Kinda weird how that so called "space craft" would not be able to steer speed up slow down or direct itself in zero gravity.

One word:  Wizards.
Aki

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« Reply #59 on: 07-16-2010 11:11 »

Wow. Just wow. This was... an amazing episode. Definitely the best episode so far this season for me, it was just hilarious and emotional, well paced, had really good plot twists and so on... I first thought the Fry-is-dumb thing was supposed to take the first act and then either stop or lead to the discovery of da Vinci's invention as its one purpose, but having as a b-story throughout was brilliant, leading to a really epic and emotional ending. What I loved about the ending was that Fry showed that if not for the intellect, he is superior to the Professor in heart and mind, and in the scenario when they are both stupid, he comes through while the Professor has nothing left. Reminding of The Why of Fry, Devil's Hands and Parasites Lost, it shows that Fry really is valiant and goodhearted. This episode also has some great jokes, one that comes to mind especially is Hermes' "didn't we use to be a delivery company?", the whole sequence with Morbo's Who Dares to Be a Millionaire and the Professor figuring out clues leading to the fountain...

I'll discuss more in my upcoming interview, keep checking http://reviews.theinfosphere.org/ , and keep watching the skies!

My only quibble: Fry was in the hospital for 2 weeks and nobody visited him - not even Leela? I've seen shows go downhill after they begin selling out a character or a relationship for a cheap laugh; hopefully Futurama will avoid going down that path. That "joke" took me right out of the story for a moment.
It was, as you say, just a joke, and I laughed out loud in that cut and Fry's line. But there could have been some awkward line from Leela about visiting him when he was asleep "I left you chocolate" and Bender says he took it. Or something of the like. I'm not the best of writers, but I think there could have been some throwaway line.
TheBoz

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« Reply #60 on: 07-16-2010 11:31 »

Did the Prof's voice sound a bit off at times to anyone else?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

Now as for the episode it was great, it seemed to me like the writers tried to "push the envolope" with this episode. And they succeeded,  it was nothing like any of the episodes from the original run, yet it still retained the futurama feel. Plenty of laughs, Excellent animation(the machine run was great) and great story. I also appreciated the line : "Didn't we use to be a delivery company" by Hermes. Im sure when Matt Greoning and David X Cohen were developing the series they expected this to be the main plot device, I think Hermes line was referencing this. Or I could be just looking way to much into it.

The robot pissed me off greatly. Can't remember its name either. That and the even weirder state of Fry/Leela's relationship (Didnt visit in hospital, mile deep club leela now slut) stop this from being up their with some of the best eps. 8/10 


 
Aki

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« Reply #61 on: 07-16-2010 11:34 »

I also appreciated the line : "Didn't we use to be a delivery company" by Hermes.

I also loved that line. Reminds me of the Simpsons when Homer started picking up other jobs more and more, and (I think) Lisa asked in one episode "don't you work at the powerplant anymore?" ^^
AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #62 on: 07-16-2010 11:42 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2010 17:26 »

Well, I thought it was very good. The first two acts were really funny, though the final act not so much for me. I loved the appearance of The Space Pope (that made me lol) and how Fry and the Professor related to each other, I thought that was good character development. Though the rest of the crew take a backseat on the final 3rd of the episode, I felt once they got on that planet it got a little too stupid, and Fry constantly reminding us of DiCaprio got a little old (it only works as a one-time joke).

I thought Da Vinci being stupid was a fairly good twist, though that bully character picking on him kind of annoyed me and caused me to cringe a little. Did anyone else fee Fry a little too dumb in this episode, and 1 month on the Da Vinci "Space" craft without food and water? I know, minor nitpicking, though overall, this episode had alot of decent laughs, a good plot, and although slightly letdown by its final act once again for me, I felt The Duh-Vinci Code might be the closest we've had to the original run quality so far. My favourite quote was probably the Hermes one too. I'll give the episode an 8.5 out of 10.
kyllmikael

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« Reply #63 on: 07-16-2010 11:43 »
« Last Edit on: 07-16-2010 11:45 »

I thought it was a good episode overall. I thought the jokes in and of themselves were strong though the overarching plot seemed forced. It seems to me like this episode benefited a lot from rewriting. A lot of great one liners but lacking something as a story. So, to me at least, it gives hope that there's something to be said for the writers working for CC now. I'm glad they upped the pace in this weeks episode and like someone else said before didn't bother to preach at me for some reason or another.

And now for my two cents on Fry's intelligence. Lines like "I haven't not heard of them" from The Honking are great because it's something that an idiot would say. When he admitted to eating rocks it seemed like something a self deprecating idiot who is trying to make other idiots laugh would do. Fry is stupid and it was a plot point so there's something to be said in their defense. It just feels like Fry is a parody of himself-- it is too obvious and feels less natural-- it's Futurama not Saturday Night Live.

Did anyone else think Morbo lost weight in his forehead and think that the calculus displayed in the hologram seemed like something the professor would know? I'm no math major but I feel like I've studied everything shown in the lecture as a prerequisite. Maybe that was the joke?

And if anyone from Rough Draft reads this: give a raise to whomever designed Leonardo's home world. I just went to a museum where they had some of his inventions and when I saw that drawing I had to look at it again. So many of his inventions were there and I was amazed, every time I looked there was something ne to gaze at. Brilliant.
Aki

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« Reply #64 on: 07-16-2010 11:51 »

Did anyone else think Morbo lost weight in his forehead and think that the calculus displayed in the hologram seemed like something the professor would know? I'm no math major but I feel like I've studied everything shown in the lecture as a prerequisite. Maybe that was the joke?

And if anyone from Rough Draft reads this: give a raise to whomever designed Leonardo's home world. I just went to a museum where they had some of his inventions and when I saw that drawing I had to look at it again. So many of his inventions were there and I was amazed, every time I looked there was something ne to gaze at. Brilliant.
I too thought about the calculus, but I think the major problem was about the Professor not tagging along with the confusion and the opera :P They should have thrown in some brand new math symbols though, the planet is after all apparantly millions of years ahead of us. Did anyone else think the classroom scene remind of River's studies in Firefly?

And yeah, the design is brilliant. So many great inventions thrown in and made wonderful without sticking out of the drawing style. Beautiful.
TheBoz

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« Reply #65 on: 07-16-2010 12:14 »

Did anyone else think Morbo lost weight in his forehead and think that the calculus displayed in the hologram seemed like something the professor would know? I'm no math major but I feel like I've studied everything shown in the lecture as a prerequisite. Maybe that was the joke?

And if anyone from Rough Draft reads this: give a raise to whomever designed Leonardo's home world. I just went to a museum where they had some of his inventions and when I saw that drawing I had to look at it again. So many of his inventions were there and I was amazed, every time I looked there was something ne to gaze at. Brilliant.
I too thought about the calculus, but I think the major problem was about the Professor not tagging along with the confusion and the opera :P They should have thrown in some brand new math symbols though, the planet is after all apparantly millions of years ahead of us. Did anyone else think the classroom scene remind of River's studies in Firefly?

And yeah, the design is brilliant. So many great inventions thrown in and made wonderful without sticking out of the drawing style. Beautiful.

Yeah I studied conic sections in 1st year university, the maths (from what I saw) didn't seem much more then conic sections and some matrix algebra. Then again you dont know the problem it was describing/trying to solve. Its like looking at E=mc^2, basic equation but extremely complex derivation/meaning
MightyBooshFan91

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« Reply #66 on: 07-16-2010 13:25 »

As with all the episodes so far this season, it was okay. Not great, a few good laughs here and there, but not awful either. I just feel like something's missing but I don't know what...maybe it's just that the plots aren't that great. 7/10
Zoo Station

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« Reply #67 on: 07-16-2010 13:32 »

I really enjoyed this one. I was excited at the premise of the crew solving a mystery and I wasn't disappointed. There were some great one-liners and sight gags that kept things moving, not to mention that it was a bit touching at the end in classic Futurama style. I'm looking forward to watching it again because I know there are a lot of things that I missed.  8/10
kyllmikael

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« Reply #68 on: 07-16-2010 13:48 »

Yeah I studied conic sections in 1st year university, the maths (from what I saw) didn't seem much more then conic sections and some matrix algebra. Then again you dont know the problem it was describing/trying to solve. Its like looking at E=mc^2, basic equation but extremely complex derivation/meaning

It's strange to say the least. The equations do vary in complexity, I didn't recognize a few so I looked them up. With one or two exceptions that are less calculus than something else they're all very basic equations. I mean the equation for a parabola was floating around which seemed out of place. I wonder if the animators just opened a math book and choose some. My first thought when I saw that was "and the professor supposedly built the planet express ship? Bull pies!"
Gorky

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« Reply #69 on: 07-16-2010 14:19 »

And now for my two cents on Fry's intelligence. Lines like "I haven't not heard of them" from The Honking are great because it's something that an idiot would say. When he admitted to eating rocks it seemed like something a self deprecating idiot who is trying to make other idiots laugh would do. Fry is stupid and it was a plot point so there's something to be said in their defense. It just feels like Fry is a parody of himself-- it is too obvious and feels less natural-- it's Futurama not Saturday Night Live.

Both the lines you're talking about--the one from "The Honking" and the one from last night's episode--seem to me like a dumb guy trying to appear more learned in front of people he perceives as smarter than him. As I recall, when the Professor punched Fry in the stomach, he said something about how eating those rocks turned out to be a good thing. Really, isn't that similar to other stupid things Fry's done in the past--like, I don't know, keeping butter in his pocket? He's dumb and impulsive and endearing because of (or in spite of) those things, and that's something that this episode sort of examined. I'll agree that Fry's stupidity was played up in the sense that he literally said nothing smart (or Fry-smart, those moments of clarity that you occasionally get in an episode that isn't looking to figure out what makes Fry tick) until that showdown with the doomsday machine (all of his lines were of the "What turned them to stone?"/"We're in Rome!" variety). I don't think it was an exaggeration of his stupidity so much as it was an abundance of it.
Svip

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« Reply #70 on: 07-16-2010 14:28 »

Didn't he join a marble eating contest?
NutritionFAQs

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« Reply #71 on: 07-16-2010 16:35 »

this episode wasn't great but much better than the last. alot of the jokes felt really off though.
Zed 85

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« Reply #72 on: 07-16-2010 17:16 »

Hmm, I don't know, some aspects I liked, some good jokes, some nice plot points but generally I'm left feeling slightly underwhelmed. Not the worst of the season, or even necessarily bad, but I guess it just didn't gel for me.
TheBoz

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« Reply #73 on: 07-16-2010 17:44 »

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/17/2956391.htm

Maybe they got the idea from this episode? Pretty coincidental how this happened a day after the episode aired
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« Reply #74 on: 07-16-2010 17:48 »

I thought the concept was awesome and the storyline was great.  A plot where Leonardo DaVinci is actually a dumbass and is getting picked on by a meathead is hilarious.

HOWEVER, the characters which traditionally provide more than their share of laughs (i.e. zoidberg, bender, and most of the secondary characters) had little to no role in the second half of the episode.  For me, the funniest part was Morbo's scene at the very beginning.  And I am always a fan of the professor and fry but you need the other characters around for the comedy bits.  Even if there was just one more scene at the end with everyone around the PE conference table and someone makes a crack about Zoidberg.. that sends me out on a laugh and I feel a lot better about the episode as a whole.

All in all, it was one of the better storylines for an episode i've scene... just a little light on the jokes... and the zoidberg
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #75 on: 07-16-2010 18:01 »

I thought the concept was awesome and the storyline was great.  A plot where Leonardo DaVinci is actually a dumbass and is getting picked on by a meathead is hilarious.

HOWEVER, the characters which traditionally provide more than their share of laughs (i.e. zoidberg, bender, and most of the secondary characters) had little to no role in the second half of the episode.  For me, the funniest part was Morbo's scene at the very beginning.  And I am always a fan of the professor and fry but you need the other characters around for the comedy bits.  Even if there was just one more scene at the end with everyone around the PE conference table and someone makes a crack about Zoidberg.. that sends me out on a laugh and I feel a lot better about the episode as a whole.

All in all, it was one of the better storylines for an episode i've scene... just a little light on the jokes... and the zoidberg

i disagree. every episode shouldn't contain every single PE crewmember. that would get old and boring.

i seriously don't know how anyone is complaining about this episode. i reccon when everyone looks back on it, they'll see how great an episode it was.
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #76 on: 07-16-2010 18:04 »

This was the first new episode of Futurama that I really liked. I was pleasantly surprised because it started off with an antiquated (but still funny) Who Wants to be a Millionaire parody, which set up the theme of Fry's stupidity. Then the Da Vinci Code parody wasn't clever either. But it got funnier once Fry and the Professor travelled to the Vinci world.
Molly

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« Reply #77 on: 07-16-2010 18:14 »

This episode is a sweet reminder of why I adore Fry - so sweet and pure of heart, in whatever venture he is currently undertaking.

Also, hilariously dumb at times.

As for the episode? Needs another viewing of course, but I'm not sure I really care for a Dan Brown parody. Satire, parody, and riffing on modern cultural things are fine, but too much of it in Futurama and it starts to seem like a Simpsons episode.

Anyway, I love Fry.
Dr`Zoidberg

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« Reply #78 on: 07-16-2010 18:41 »

The only episode I'd rate above this one from the new season was the Eye-Phone one and even then that only got a 4/10 for me. The rest, as well as this one have been 1/10 for me. I dunno how you people can defend this, maybe I'm just too intolerant of the changes they're making in this by becoming more like FG/SP but season 6 is a failure as of now, and shows no sign of recovery. I want to give up on Futurama but I've been a fan for so long that I can't stop watching it. Every single new episode has severely disappointed me. (First half of episode 3 wasn't bad.)
Anteater #1

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« Reply #79 on: 07-16-2010 18:53 »

I thought the concept was awesome and the storyline was great.  A plot where Leonardo DaVinci is actually a dumbass and is getting picked on by a meathead is hilarious.

HOWEVER, the characters which traditionally provide more than their share of laughs (i.e. zoidberg, bender, and most of the secondary characters) had little to no role in the second half of the episode.  For me, the funniest part was Morbo's scene at the very beginning.  And I am always a fan of the professor and fry but you need the other characters around for the comedy bits.  Even if there was just one more scene at the end with everyone around the PE conference table and someone makes a crack about Zoidberg.. that sends me out on a laugh and I feel a lot better about the episode as a whole.

All in all, it was one of the better storylines for an episode i've scene... just a little light on the jokes... and the zoidberg

i disagree. every episode shouldn't contain every single PE crewmember. that would get old and boring.

i seriously don't know how anyone is complaining about this episode. i reccon when everyone looks back on it, they'll see how great an episode it was.

I'm far from complaining, I was laughing most of the way through.  I was happy for the professor-heavy episode since he's one of my favorites, but I guess I just miss some of the other characters when they're not included as much.  Morbo was great though.  And I definitely fail to see how the show has changed drastically.  The last few episodes have been more topical than the show used to be, but it's not ruining the show, and I expect they'll get back to some more character-driven plots in the coming weeks.
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