Thoughts on 6ACV05 - The Duh-Vinci Code - SPOILERS

[Reply #160 on:]

I forgot to mention that in this episode, we learn that not only is Fry dumb academically, he is also socially delayed. 

[Reply #161 on:]

I thought this was great. Loved the Space Pope and Morbo.

Zoidberg's "Didn't we used to be a delivery company?" line was exactly what i was thinking at the time when he said it.

Ahh.... The writers are taking care of us. they're testing the waters. My bet is the best is yet to come!

[Reply #162 on:]

Hermes said that not Zoidberg...

[Reply #163 on:]

this is my favorite so far, feels way more like a "classic" Futurama episode than any of the previous ones, loved Zoidberg's line about his doctorate being in fine art

[Reply #164 on:]

After watching a second time, I just realized that Dr. Zoidberg's doctorate in art history retcons part of the plot of 300 Big Boys, where he hasn't a clue what the cost of "one art" is.

[Reply #165 on:]

After watching a second time, I just realized that Dr. Zoidberg's doctorate in art history retcons part of the plot of 300 Big Boys, where he hasn't a clue what the cost of "one art" is.

"Art History" The one Zoidberg was talking about was only made recently. Although you do have a point.

[Reply #166 on:]

Either that or its a stinging commentary on the quality of education that a "degree" in Art History actually provides.

Now that you mention it did Zoidberg's degree joke remind anyone else of the PhD joke in Monsters vs Aliens? Or was it just me?

[Reply #167 on:]

If it's not a science degree, it's not a real degree.

But seriously, I don't understand how people who do bullshit like "media studies" and "[insert object] design" and "fine art" can consider themselves educated. Sure, they may eventually parley that bullshit degree into a six figure salary, but that doesn't mean they actually know anything about anything other than bullshitting.

So yeah, I took it as a commentary.

[Reply #168 on:]

"Hi, Animatronio!"

[Reply #169 on:]

If it's not a science degree, it's not a real degree.

But seriously, I don't understand how people who do bullshit like "media studies" and "[insert object] design" and "fine art" can consider themselves educated. Sure, they may eventually parley that bullshit degree into a six figure salary, but that doesn't mean they actually know anything about anything other than bullshitting.

So yeah, I took it as a commentary.

wow. smug alert.

[Reply #170 on:]

This episode was the first episode this season that I felt was a real 'Futurama' episode. All the previous ones so far have been alright and maybe even mediocre at points, but this one made me laugh and feel like I was watching something from season 3 or 4. Great jokes, good character story, and a thorough plot. The "Didn't we used to be a delivery company?" line had me sold.

I totally agree man. It felt like the good old days.

[Reply #171 on:]

If it's not a science degree, it's not a real degree.

But seriously, I don't understand how people who do bullshit like "media studies" and "[insert object] design" and "fine art" can consider themselves educated. Sure, they may eventually parley that bullshit degree into a six figure salary, but that doesn't mean they actually know anything about anything other than bullshitting.

So yeah, I took it as a commentary.

wow. smug alert.

Not particularly, I just hate idiots who don't realise (or can't accept) that they're idiots, and think that they have some sort of intellectual gravitas or weight when in fact they're lighter than Helium balloons.

[Reply #172 on:]

Cheers for that Rob, sully all degrees apart from Sciences the morning I am to graduate as a Bachelor of Arts (Well, Russian and Yugoslav history, language, literature and culture rather than art)

[Reply #173 on:]

Congrats, Zed, on your graduation!

Now, back on topic.  I just saw it again, and I really like episode 5.  I think the writers & everyone are getting back in the groove.  Can't wait to see the new episode tomorrow!

[Reply #174 on:]

Don't know if it's been mentioned but it was only on the 2nd viewing that I noticed teh Back To The Future references, ie "Biff" and the big complicated machine that makes ice-cream.

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[Reply #176 on:]

He was only stupider now for this one episode. He'll be back to usual in Lethal Inspection.

[Reply #177 on:]

He was only stupider now for this one episode. He'll be back to usual in Lethal Inspection.

Nah, I am not so certain, Fry seems to have been gotten all around stupider in this new season.  My judgement may be clouded by this episode, but I sense a great disturbance in the force.

[Reply #178 on:]

If Fry remains aware of his "different-y intelligence" (as stated by Leela), and is bothered by it, I'm okay with his drop in I.Q. I'm reminded of what ventriloquist Edgar Bergen once said about another dummy, Mortimer Snerd: "Yes, Mortimer is stupid, but he knows he's stupid, and that makes him smarter than a lot of us."

[Reply #179 on:]

He was only stupider now for this one episode. He'll be back to usual in Lethal Inspection.

Nah, I am not so certain, Fry seems to have been gotten all around stupider in this new season.  My judgement may be clouded by this episode, but I sense a great disturbance in the force.

I'm fairly certain that, a, Fry wasn't actually stupider in this episode than in others, he just had more lines that were stupid than other episodes (just like some episodes in the original series) and b, that he hasn't gotten stupider in this new season. I've actually not seen any evidence of him becoming all around stupider in this season, I think your judgement is just clouded by this episode.

[Reply #180 on:]

I am not so certain, Fry was exceptionally stupid in this episode.  Even to a point where it was out of character and unfunny.  If he was a stupid as presented in this episode, he would not have been able to perform those quite clever things he has done in the past.

[Reply #181 on:]

i think your looking into it too much. fry had some stupid lines to help the storyline progress. some episodes it's needed, others it's not.

anyways, if there is anything different this season, it's not fry. it'd be characters such as amy and bender going completely out of character.

[Reply #182 on:]

No, every piece of dialogue from Fry was stupid.  It's usually a lean in for a good throwaway joke in the past.  Besides, I only find Fry being stupid to a certain extend, beyond that it is just like laughing at disabled people.

Fry's stupidity from the writers' point of view needs to be handled with grace.  Too much makes him seem useless and makes you question why they even bring him along, too little makes him seem out of character.

[Reply #183 on:]

Most of us can agree that Fry was overtly stupider in this episode. Fry sometimes does have his moments, but this episode really didn't have any real saving graces. Sure, he stopped the machine, but did he REALLY have to throw himself into it?

[Reply #184 on:]

The reason Fry was overtly stupid is because the episode was based around the idea that he's an idiot and the Professor looks down on him because of it. They exaggerated his stupidity in order to make that point.

[Reply #185 on:]

...Crap. I have no rebuttle. I submit to you, Frisco17.

Hermes said that not Zoidberg...

SNAP!

This double-post has been merged or your pleasure by Gopher.

[Reply #186 on:]

Most of us can agree that Fry was overtly stupider in this episode. Fry sometimes does have his moments, but this episode really didn't have any real saving graces. Sure, he stopped the machine, but did he REALLY have to throw himself into it?

He fell in, rather than throwing himself.

[Reply #187 on:]

If it's not a science degree, it's not a real degree.

But seriously, I don't understand how people who do bullshit like "media studies" and "[insert object] design" and "fine art" can consider themselves educated. Sure, they may eventually parley that bullshit degree into a six figure salary, but that doesn't mean they actually know anything about anything other than bullshitting.

So yeah, I took it as a commentary.

wow. smug alert.

Not particularly, I just hate idiots who don't realise (or can't accept) that they're idiots, and think that they have some sort of intellectual gravitas or weight when in fact they're lighter than Helium balloons.

Who is to say the stupid shit you know is more important than the stupid shit other people know? Besides, obviously, pretentious idiots like yourself.

[Reply #188 on:]

If it's not a science degree, it's not a real degree.

But seriously, I don't understand how people who do bullshit like "media studies" and "[insert object] design" and "fine art" can consider themselves educated. Sure, they may eventually parley that bullshit degree into a six figure salary, but that doesn't mean they actually know anything about anything other than bullshitting.

So yeah, I took it as a commentary.

wow. smug alert.

Not particularly, I just hate idiots who don't realise (or can't accept) that they're idiots, and think that they have some sort of intellectual gravitas or weight when in fact they're lighter than Helium balloons.

Who is to say the stupid shit you know is more important than the stupid shit other people know? Besides, obviously, pretentious idiots like yourself.

Well, well, well. Firstly, the "stupid shit" that falls under the category of a science education is usually more practical. Engineers, physicists, chemists, biologists, they've all got knoweldge and practical skills that would help, if for example, you were stranded on a desert island.

I'd hate to be stranded on a desert island with some kind of artistic designer, or somebody who did a music degree. If I were stranded on said island with a social worker, I'd kill them and eat their corpse rather than talk to them about anything.

Of course, you and your fellow BA graduates would probably be quite happy to sit around in the dark and talk about the great things that Tracey Emin has done for the world, before you starve or freeze, or contract some horrible tropical disease.

Go ahead, the world isn't going to be poorer without you.

To take another example from the Futurama episode, Leonardo DaVinci was a great mind. He wasn't just an artist, he was also a scientist. Leonardo wouldn't have taken an art degree - he would have been more interested in a BSc. He wanted to understand how the world around him worked, and would have looked down his nose at people who did not.

So call me a pretentious idiot if you like. Me and DaVinci. I'm in good company.

[Reply #189 on:]

What Polytechnic did you get your BSc from Rob that it gave you such a narrow impression of what a Bachelor of Arts actually means?

Cheers seattlejohn

[Reply #190 on:]

This ep was great, best one of the new season so far for me, felt much more like a classic episode than the pop-culture heavy stuff we've had so far.

[Reply #191 on:]

Strangely, although I feel that this episode is fairly mediocre compared to the rest of the season so far, it has somehow lifted my impression of the season as a whole.  I appreciated most of the jokes although I didn't find any particularly appealing.  If this is a run-of-the-mill episode, then we have a pretty decent season on our hands.

[Reply #192 on:]

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Who is to say the stupid shit you know is more important than the stupid shit other people know? Besides, obviously, pretentious idiots like yourself.

Well, well, well. Firstly, the "stupid shit" that falls under the category of a science education is usually more practical. Engineers, physicists, chemists, biologists, they've all got knoweldge and practical skills that would help, if for example, you were stranded on a desert island.

I'd hate to be stranded on a desert island with some kind of artistic designer, or somebody who did a music degree. If I were stranded on said island with a social worker, I'd kill them and eat their corpse rather than talk to them about anything.

Of course, you and your fellow BA graduates would probably be quite happy to sit around in the dark and talk about the great things that Tracey Emin has done for the world, before you starve or freeze, or contract some horrible tropical disease.

Go ahead, the world isn't going to be poorer without you.

To take another example from the Futurama episode, Leonardo DaVinci was a great mind. He wasn't just an artist, he was also a scientist. Leonardo wouldn't have taken an art degree - he would have been more interested in a BSc. He wanted to understand how the world around him worked, and would have looked down his nose at people who did not.

So call me a pretentious idiot if you like. Me and DaVinci. I'm in good company.

I think the Da Vinci in this episode (not to mention all the creative minds that go into producing Futurama) would have found you as pretentious and close-minded for thinking this way.

You think an engineer is better than an artist? What about a doctor and an engineer? What about so-called brilliant physicists that plagiarize each other and steal credit?

I think the whole point of this episode would be lost on you if you're not willing to believe that it doesn't matter if someone is stupid or different in their specialties (i.e. their degrees) as long as they have a good heart. It doesn't make them inferior. It just makes them different-y.

[Reply #193 on:]

Yeah, a "good heart" makes up for being a moron. Riiiight. Seriously, those doctors, engineers, physicists... they're brilliant.

Somebody who spent five years "learning" how to doodle pornography on a table napkin... not so much.

[Reply #194 on:]

Yeah, a "good heart" makes up for being a moron. Riiiight.

I do believe that may be the message of the episode but who knows?

Seriously though, Rob, do you genuinely believe that a Bachelor of Art only applies to someone who has studied art?

And as Da Vinci grew up a painter's apprentice, you could argue that, technically, all he did in his life was after being an arts student. Or failing that, whether you have a BA or a BSc or a B Arch or whatever, doesn't hugely matter?

Besides which, your graduate in Plant Sciences will be a fat lot of bloody good on a desert island where there is no vegetation...

[Reply #195 on:]

I can not believe that so many people gave this episode such a positive review. This is by far the WORST episode produced by Futurama to date in my mind. The only reason I ould give this episode a 2/10 is because of Professor and his wacky one liners.

[Reply #196 on:]

Why is it the worst then? So what it doesn't have a B-story, the episode works fine without a B-story. Plus, it has many mysteries in it that keeps you hooked. Now, I appreciate that you don't like this episode, but at least give some constructive criticism and give it some consideration before labeling it as the worst Futurama episode ever.   

[Reply #197 on:]

Yeah, a "good heart" makes up for being a moron. Riiiight. Seriously, those doctors, engineers, physicists... they're brilliant.

Somebody who spent five years "learning" how to doodle pornography on a table napkin... not so much.

Because, as we all know, there's only one kind of intelligence, and that's SCIENCE!

Also, back to topic, Zoidberg's joke was most likely making fun of the fact that he's an incompetent medical doctor, not that people who study art are stupid. I mean, you can take it any way you want, but that would involve bending it around just to serve a point for no real reason.

[Reply #198 on:]

Whatever. I have a BFA so I'm better than all ya'll.

Unless you have a masters... then get the hell out of here.

And yea I would think in a desert island scenario you would want a creative problem solver like a conceptual kind of person (like Leonardo), rather than someone who just knows how to network computers together, but you know all degrees are made equal I guess.

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Plus when all the computers in the world EMP you'll all come crawling to me for my napkin porn...

[Reply #199 on:]

a creative problem solver

So a physicist, engineer, or chemist then.

Besides which, your graduate in Plant Sciences will be a fat lot of bloody good on a desert island where there is no vegetation...

I had no idea Chemistry was considered "Plant Sciences".

Seriously though, Rob, do you genuinely believe that a Bachelor of Art only applies to someone who has studied art?

Ah, we come to the nub of the thing, finally. I'm aware that there are BA degrees in fairly practical and useful fields, such as economics and languages, but I'd say that I was having a go at people who do "film studies" or "media", or "art and design". Seems like a waste of University places when you realise these folks make up most of the massive number of unemployed graduates.

Yeah, a "good heart" makes up for being a moron. Riiiight. Seriously, those doctors, engineers, physicists... they're brilliant.

Somebody who spent five years "learning" how to doodle pornography on a table napkin... not so much.

Because, as we all know, there's only one kind of intelligence, and that's SCIENCE!

Yes. Totally with you on that one. Glad you've come around.