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Mr. Panucci

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« Reply #120 on: 07-17-2010 03:22 »

Hey all; new here.

I enjoy the new episodes to some extent. This one for instance took me back to 'the original series' more than the others did.

I am however still not feeling the same 'vibe' as before. There's something wrong with Fry (to name one thing). I think he's a bit too self conscious about his stupidity. Take a look at fry and the slurm factory for comparison, I'm sure you'll agree.

Oh and btw, 3d on the football team remark from Da Vinci; can't make it out.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #121 on: 07-17-2010 03:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-17-2010 03:29 »


Right. I try to think of some other ending though, and I can't think of one that would be okay. I just hope they won't go with "time's circular!", cause that would just be moronic after Futurama calls itself a geeky show.

I can't see them doing that either because then they'd have a working time machine that could take them to any point in time which would leave the door open for constant "Why didn't they just go back in time and stop that bad thing from happening?" questions. Also, I can't see that being a satisfying ending.

I'm sure whatever happens, it will be something we haven't considered yet and something great.


I am however still not feeling the same 'vibe' as before. There's something wrong with Fry (to name one thing). I think he's a bit too self conscious about his stupidity. Take a look at fry and the slurm factory for comparison, I'm sure you'll agree.
I agree with this episode, but I also think that it's completely justified within this episode because it's about Fry being stupid and he would be self-conscious with the characters all calling him an idiot.

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Oh and btw, 3d on the football team remark from Da Vinci; can't make it out.
As somebody already said, it was "learned", pronounced "learn-ed".
lilkitten29

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« Reply #122 on: 07-17-2010 05:08 »

As for people wanting to see more Fry/Leela stuff, I'm pretty sure we'll see some of that stuff in The Late Philip J. Fry.
Jezzem

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« Reply #123 on: 07-17-2010 05:53 »

Alright, I've finally watched this episode (and read through all of the posts in the thread. My eyes are so very sore right now.) and I have just one thing to say (followed by several other things: That was awesome!

I think this may be my favourite episode of the season so far. It's already been said, but I really liked the fact that it explored Fry and the Professor relationship because I always wished we got to see more of that considering that the Professor is Fry's only living relative (except for Cubert, I guess).

The other thing I liked was basically the whole Vinci planet thing. It had this sort of sci fi vibe reminiscent of the violet dwarf star actually being an Encyclopod egg in Into The Wild Green Yonder, and I liked that Da-Vinci was so smart on Earth but an idiot compared to the people on his planet.

I know that some people didn't like that whole Vinci planet thing and that's fine because I guess it goes to show how different aspects of Futurama appeal to other people.

I don't know if I ended up saying all that I was going to say originally but, anyway:

9/10
JavieR

Starship Captain
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« Reply #124 on: 07-17-2010 06:07 »

Just adding that the cable ratings of The Duh Vinci Code gave Futurama 2.204 million viewers smile
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #125 on: 07-17-2010 06:16 »

I was just assuming they get intimate behind the scenes at this point, but his confused step back he takes after she says "SURE" makes me think that they haven't consummated their relationship. I'm fine with it either way. Girl has to keep boy in check somehow.

Yeah, I don't think they've done the deed as yet. Fry was too shocked and thrilled when Leela agreed to join the Mile Deep Club. Heh. I'm cool with them not yet consummating their love. Gives us all something to look forward to...
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #126 on: 07-17-2010 06:16 »

Just adding that the cable ratings of The Duh Vinci Code gave Futurama 2.204 million viewers smile


Yes, the show is holding nicely. A good steady performer so far. Comedy Central has to be pleased.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #127 on: 07-17-2010 06:39 »

Hey all; new here.

I enjoy the new episodes to some extent. This one for instance took me back to 'the original series' more than the others did.

I am however still not feeling the same 'vibe' as before. There's something wrong with Fry (to name one thing). I think he's a bit too self conscious about his stupidity. Take a look at fry and the slurm factory for comparison, I'm sure you'll agree.

Well, to me, that was a great development: I love that Fry is more self-aware in this new series than he was in the old. I have no use for obtuse morons in other shows who have no awareness or caring of their flaws. I think it's great that Fry knows he's not too bright, and that it bothers him. It makes him seem far more real and more human, and I was delighted with it.

I know that some here are saying the the new eps aren't like the old Futurama...and I'm here to say, that ain't necessarily a bad thing. So far, aside from a bit of preachiness, I think the new eps are an improvement in almost every way. The animation is more solid; I notice that the characters express themselves better, and that the movement is more fluid. If you look closely at this new episode, you'll see the characters react to what's happening in a way that gives them more presence...for instance, when Leela defends Fry's intelligence, the characters around her nod in agreement. When Fry sobs in response to the Professor's criticism, Bender looks like he feels sorry for him. There are little such character moments throughout the episode, fleeting, but they give the characters more depth. In addition to the improved animation, I think the writing's been pretty solid too. And the voice acting, particularly Billy West's, has been superb. Surely he's the true successor to Mel Blanc, both in terms of vocal range and acting ability. The guy better win an award of some kind or I'll be pissed. big grin

I also have to add that I enjoyed the Professor knocking Fry around a bit. There was a certain Three Stooges quality to it I loved. Of course I wouldn't want it to be overdone, or to actually reach Stooge level; but the feeble Professor could never get so rough. Fry's irritated expression when the Prof clunked him on the head with the torch was priceless.

I have to admit, I just love this episode to death. Such a vast improvement over last week's. Futurama's comeback has more than met my expectations so far. I can't wait for next week's installment!
FemJesse

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« Reply #128 on: 07-17-2010 07:09 »

Here here! All the people saying Futurama is dead can go to mutant hell. Way worse than robot hell.
bend_her

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« Reply #129 on: 07-17-2010 07:13 »

This one for instance took me back to 'the original series' more than the others did.

I am however still not feeling the same 'vibe' as before.
I think one thing about this particular episode that sets it apart from others in the original run is that Fry and Farnsworth get to go to another planet without the PE ship, without Leela and Bender, and without having to make up an excuse to do a delivery there.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #130 on: 07-17-2010 07:20 »

I did enjoy this episode, but it felt like it should've been a two-parter, where part 1 should've ended at the moment Fry and Fransworth are on the Vinci planet and are introduced to Leonardo.  They whole third act was too quickly.  A full episode would have done it much better justice. 

I also was wondered as to why didn't Leela and Bender bother to follow them in the PE ship.  It might have been funny, since Fry and Prof were traveling for a month, it the episode ended with Leela and Bender back in Italy, and just wondering if they should just head back home.  For what it is, it's good, but the concept could have been expanded.
Jezzem

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« Reply #131 on: 07-17-2010 07:28 »

I think a whole episode on the Vinci planet would've dragged on rather than done it more justice. I think you're just still used to the movie format.

As for Leela and Bender following them, they didn't do that because there was no reason for Leela and Bender to be there. The episode (this part most of all) wasn't about the PE crew, it was about Fry and the Professor.
Anteater #1

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« Reply #132 on: 07-17-2010 07:42 »

I am ashamed to admit this having taken 6 years of a european language, and I apologize if it has already been mentioned... but it took a second viewing of the episode to understand why Leonardo introduced himself as only Leonardo, and why the planet was just called Vinci... At first I thought it was named after him, but then when I saw how he was an outcast on the planet, I figured not.  I guess the writers imagined him visiting earth and introducing himself as Leonardo da Vinci (Leonardo of/from Vinci if italian is anything like french) and Earthicans interpreted it as a last name instead of him referencing where he was from... If it is indeed what the writers intended, props to them.
Nibblonian Leader

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« Reply #133 on: 07-17-2010 08:25 »

I guess I'm going to have to draw the Mile Deep Club now.

STOP rule 34-ing all this stuff! THE MENTAL PICTURES, THEY WON'T GO AWAY!!!!!

i liked the finglonger 2.0

I was waiting for someone to mention that. Although I think it's a bit overt. the Finglonger 1.0 was perfect for poking. 2.0 is okay for poking, good for eye-based assaults. I guess it's an upgrade.

Honorable Mention to SpaceMaN.
FemJesse

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #134 on: 07-17-2010 08:42 »

Freako is the pope of rule 34. I forgot about the finglonger 2.0 too! way better than the old one.
Nibblonian Leader

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« Reply #135 on: 07-17-2010 08:56 »

Freako is the pope of rule 34. I forgot about the finglonger 2.0 too! way better than the old one.

Holycrapholycrapholycrap! FemJesse just replied to me!! I feel special, seeing as I'm an Intern PEELer (but a Futurama OG). Sorry to sound creepy, and weird, but it's 2:00 a.m. where I am right now.
Bowser Jr

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« Reply #136 on: 07-17-2010 09:05 »

I did enjoy this episode, but it felt like it should've been a two-parter, where part 1 should've ended at the moment Fry and Fransworth are on the Vinci planet and are introduced to Leonardo.  They whole third act was too quickly.  A full episode would have done it much better justice.
I actually agree with this.  The whole episode actually seemed to go by too fast.  Too much stuff was crammed in...

Other than that, I didn't mind the episode at all.  I laughed quite a few times.  I loved Bender vs the Squid.  It just seemed to go by too fast.  When it was over I was like "Didn't the episode just start?"

I do really hope Fry doesn't stay this stupid though, but honestly I'm not too worried about it.   I realize this was a plot point for this episode and I enjoyed it for what it was.
FemJesse

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« Reply #137 on: 07-17-2010 09:34 »

Oh snap I just got celebrematized...
Zed 85
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« Reply #138 on: 07-17-2010 11:46 »

I am ashamed to admit this having taken 6 years of a european language, and I apologize if it has already been mentioned... but it took a second viewing of the episode to understand why Leonardo introduced himself as only Leonardo, and why the planet was just called Vinci... At first I thought it was named after him, but then when I saw how he was an outcast on the planet, I figured not.  I guess the writers imagined him visiting earth and introducing himself as Leonardo da Vinci (Leonardo of/from Vinci if italian is anything like french) and Earthicans interpreted it as a last name instead of him referencing where he was from... If it is indeed what the writers intended, props to them.

Though actually in real life his surname really was a reference to where he was from. So in terms of what you are saying it'd be more a case of:
"Hello, my name is Leonardo of Vinci"
"Vinci? Ah yes, Vinci, that quaint little village near Florence, am I right?"
"Er...yes! Quaint little village. Yes. Totally not a planet a month's space flight away..."
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #139 on: 07-17-2010 12:50 »

Having seen the ep late last night I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it. The plot was never going to be my thing, but they did pretty well with it. Some good humour, but that robot character sucked, and I didn't buy that invention getting to that planet. Again it was a good, but not an amazing ep of Futurama...
demetrios
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« Reply #140 on: 07-17-2010 13:58 »

Just adding that the cable ratings of The Duh Vinci Code gave Futurama 2.204 million viewers smile


add another 1 to that count if only cartoon network was available here in nova scotia. frown only way i can watch the new futurama episodes here is by downloading them online. we have teleton network that play's the older futurama episodes every day but they don't air the new episodes. frown
wu_konguk

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« Reply #141 on: 07-17-2010 14:32 »

I enjoyed the episode but mostly for the bookends, the middle part was meh. I was another ending that was easily telegraphed from the beginning but the journey to it was enjoyable enough.

One thing that bothered me was Hermes (don't get me wrong i liked the delivery company joke) it jsut seems that in recent peisodes the writters do not know what to do with him and just us him for thow away jokes. While he has never been my favourtie character, it seems a shame for him to be relagated to one off jokes.
hobbitboy

Sir Rank-a-Lot
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« Reply #142 on: 07-17-2010 14:46 »

Like Otis P Jivefunk I liked this episode but didn't love it.

Highlights:
  • The new, improved finglonger.
  • Future-Roma + the Space Pope

I was sorry that Bender didn't come out of the fountain with some bullet holes in him.

Also, how was the 'waterslide' ride from the bottom of fountain able to deposit them higher than where they started from?

Is "What's your game, Vitruvian Man?" a reference to something else?

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #143 on: 07-17-2010 15:14 »

Also, how was the 'waterslide' ride from the bottom of fountain able to deposit them higher than where they started from?
It did not.
KillbotB
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« Reply #144 on: 07-17-2010 15:35 »

@KillbotB: I don't see how Fry's abuse is out of place. Fry's own parents treated him the same way, saying he was worthless and stupid in the episode "Luck of the Fryrish" if I'm correct. Forgive me if that's the wrong episode, I'm a bit rusty at this. They favored his brother Yancey. In "Roswell That Ends Well" Farnsworth calls Fry stupid a few times, one specific time is when  Fry sleeps with his grandmother Mildred "You idiot, don't you realize what you've done!?".

Fry has been treated like that in previous episodes but only in minor ways. In this episode it was a main theme. The extent of the abuse is what was out of place.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #145 on: 07-17-2010 15:37 »

Fry has been treated like that in previous episodes but only in minor ways. In this episode it was a main theme. The extent of the abuse is what was out of place.

Really? Did it ever strike you that it was a main theme because it was what the episode revolved around?
Svip

Space Pope
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« Reply #146 on: 07-17-2010 15:51 »

Fry has been treated like that in previous episodes but only in minor ways. In this episode it was a main theme. The extent of the abuse is what was out of place.

Much like his extreme unluckiness in "Luck of the Fryrish", because it was the theme of episode.  In fact, this episode and "Luck of the Fryrish" are perfectly comparable in this aspect.  Of course, "Luck of Fryrish" was far more touchy than this one.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #147 on: 07-17-2010 18:16 »

Came off to a great start when Fry lost on Morbo's 'Millionaire' show. That also happened in the early Futurama comics. It was cool to see them go to Rome and uncover the shocking secret of Da Vinci! Bender does a killer Redd Foxx, and it was cool to see Bender get into an intense fight withthe Trivi Fountain monster! Then it ends with Fry and Farnsworth going to a Da Vinci planet where it was revealed that he was an alien and the dumbest person on his home planet. Good episode. Good, but not great, though it was better than 'Attack of the Killer App'. It would've been better if Leela and Bender came to the Da Vinci planet, too. Instead of having just Fry and Farnsworth. 4/5. 
Tedward

Professor
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« Reply #148 on: 07-17-2010 18:19 »

HmmÖIím not sure what to make of this one. I didnít have as much of a disappointed first reaction as I did to ďProposition Infinity,Ē but I did have to ask myself ďWhat did I just watch?Ē when it was over. Something felt weird about the whole episode, but then again that may not mean much since all of the new episodes have felt weird to me, be this because of their newness or actual differences in their presentation and style. Part of it might be due the interesting act structure as others have mentioned, though, with each act more or less being in a different place and with progressively fewer main characters. Itís a neat concept in itself and I want to embrace Fry and the Professor sharing some bonding as characters, but Iím just not sure how well it was executed here.

I did like the way the nail was brought back at the end, and I donít suppose I was actually averse to the plot twists (besides the too-farfetched-for-me space flight in the invention), but something did feel off about the whole episode and I probably would agree with a lot of what has already been said. The other Vincians were quite annoying and I wish that we had seen more of them being smart and doing wondrous things that Leonardo could be jealous of instead of just mocking others, which is essentially all they did. I also wasnít a fan of Fry getting ground by the gears (like Bender was in the video game in ďA Bicyclops Built for TwoĒ) or the Professorís painful-looking neck twist, and while Iím not saying that that sort of physical humor hasnít been used on the show before, Iím just saying I never cared much for those sort of gags in the first place. Iíll admit that I did actually find Fry getting hit by the bus funny, but like some have said I didnít like or entirely believe that no one visited him at all, even though that bit was darkly amusing. And yes, as much as I love the Professor, the almost nonstop discoveries of clues and da Vinciís lost so-and-so  did get irritating, parody or not.
 
Also, Iím surprised that nobody has said anything about the credited writer of this episode being Maiya Williams; then again, maybe thereís not much to say. It looks like this is one of those instances of guest writing that DXC mentioned and not another Carolyn Premish controversy.

Fry's irritated expression when the Prof clunked him on the head with the torch was priceless.

Yes, and I found myself watching Fry particularly after the Professor handed him that same torch seconds later; from the confused way he was looking at it, I was expecting him to accidentally set his hair on fire with it or something.
Anteater #1

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #149 on: 07-17-2010 18:39 »

I am ashamed to admit this having taken 6 years of a european language, and I apologize if it has already been mentioned... but it took a second viewing of the episode to understand why Leonardo introduced himself as only Leonardo, and why the planet was just called Vinci... At first I thought it was named after him, but then when I saw how he was an outcast on the planet, I figured not.  I guess the writers imagined him visiting earth and introducing himself as Leonardo da Vinci (Leonardo of/from Vinci if italian is anything like french) and Earthicans interpreted it as a last name instead of him referencing where he was from... If it is indeed what the writers intended, props to them.

Though actually in real life his surname really was a reference to where he was from. So in terms of what you are saying it'd be more a case of:
"Hello, my name is Leonardo of Vinci"
"Vinci? Ah yes, Vinci, that quaint little village near Florence, am I right?"
"Er...yes! Quaint little village. Yes. Totally not a planet a month's space flight away..."

which only makes it more of a hilarious concept.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the ideas that drove the episode... knowing the writers' taste for intellectual stuff like that (i.e. complicated roman numeral math which ends up just being 1).
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #150 on: 07-18-2010 01:21 »

I think a whole episode on the Vinci planet would've dragged on rather than done it more justice. I think you're just still used to the movie format.

As for Leela and Bender following them, they didn't do that because there was no reason for Leela and Bender to be there. The episode (this part most of all) wasn't about the PE crew, it was about Fry and the Professor.

I may be used to movie format and it may be hard to shake that off.  As far as Leela and Bender.  It would make sense for them to go after them since they are headed into space and they might have been concerned as to where they are going, since they did come along to Rome they would want to make sure Fry and Professor are alright.  I know it wasn't about the PE crew, but it's weird they just drop Leela and Bender like that.
Stan Darsh

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« Reply #151 on: 07-18-2010 01:36 »

I liked it. It was definitely something different. I am just glad the writers are able to create something so creative at this point in the series

9/10
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #152 on: 07-18-2010 02:22 »

I watched it, I didn't love it, but I enjoyed it enough to give it a 7/10. There was more background jokes in this one which really made it more enjoyable for me, some nice little maths references which I'll try and catch a bit better when I can watch it without my parents arguing in the background.

It didn't get me excited but it was enjoyable enough to watch again and again, and I'd put it up there with the ones I love but don't love enough to get into my top 10.

And I'm tired so that's all I'm writing =]
flesheatingbull

Starship Captain
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« Reply #153 on: 07-18-2010 03:46 »

I watched it, I didn't love it, but I enjoyed it enough to give it a 7/10. There was more background jokes in this one which really made it more enjoyable for me, some nice little maths references which I'll try and catch a bit better when I can watch it without my parents arguing in the background.

It didn't get me excited but it was enjoyable enough to watch again and again, and I'd put it up there with the ones I love but don't love enough to get into my top 10.

And I'm tired so that's all I'm writing =]

emo? heh
Nutmeg1729

Urban Legend
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« Reply #154 on: 07-18-2010 03:51 »

Emo?

What?
Future Shock

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #155 on: 07-18-2010 08:11 »

This episode was kind of an 'eh' for me. The whole thing about Da Vinci on his planet and being the dumbest one was kinda weird. There were some rofl-worthy gags in there. The plot was just unorthodox IMO. Still fun to watch.
7/10
hobbitboy

Sir Rank-a-Lot
Urban Legend
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« Reply #156 on: 07-18-2010 12:37 »



      Also, how was the 'waterslide' ride from the bottom of fountain able to deposit them higher than where they started from?


   It did not.


Didn't it? I looked that way to me.

The floor of the fountain seems to be at least 15 feet below street-level and the 'waterslide' takes them down even further and yet they end up in a basement which is only about 5 feet below street-level.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #157 on: 07-18-2010 13:51 »

Didn't it? I looked that way to me.

The floor of the fountain seems to be at least 15 feet below street-level and the 'waterslide' takes them down even further and yet they end up in a basement which is only about 5 feet below street-level.
The Earth is not flat though. "Street level" isn't the same everywhere.
ZoidFryLeelaAmy
Bending Unit
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« Reply #158 on: 07-19-2010 12:35 »

I certainly enjoyed this, a couple cute Fry moments which I always like, especially 'I may not be clever, but I have a big heart. That's what my Mom used to say'
N'aw. 9/10
Zoo Station

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« Reply #159 on: 07-19-2010 14:09 »

I think this might just be my favorite episode of the new season so far. It was really great and had a nice mixture of comedy and heart, something that Futurama has always done so well. Just thinking about Fry wearing Da Vinci's beard and saying "most indeededly" just makes me laugh.

9/10
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