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Nixorbo

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« Reply #40 on: 04-15-2002 14:19 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
....Fry suddenly doesn't seem to give so much as a crap that Bender disappears into space.
...snip...

Apparently, Bender running away is a common occurance in etween eps.  After all, he had that pad of "pleas for attention."

And this time he meant it.
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« Reply #41 on: 04-15-2002 15:02 »

and this time Bender ran away of his own will, he wasn't shot out of the ship at higher than the speed of light into the vastness of space unwillingly. 
I'm sure Fry was just so glad that he didn't have to eat his horrible brunch.  Plus he left the note, and I guess they assumed he'd come back eventually.
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« Reply #42 on: 04-15-2002 15:06 »

errr Why must every one repeat my words! j/k
lol  laff hee hee I always wanted to say that... I don't know why, but I always have   hmpf 

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« Reply #43 on: 04-15-2002 15:17 »
« Last Edit on: 04-15-2002 15:17 »

 
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By Langly:
But it was not just ordinary water, he siat, yet nothing but plain ordinary water laced with nothing more but a few spoonfuls of lsd.

Well globviously. But it's still pretty much the exact same joke from I Second That Emotion.

Professor: This device that was supposed to give Bender an unusual ability is actually doing nothing!

Someone else: Wow, so Bender was doing it all on his own.

Professor: No, wait, it's actually doing something.

Both jokes follow that pattern. Also I remember The Simpsons stealing that joke too(in that Tap Dancing episode, which came well after I Second That Emotion)...it's getting way overdone now.

 
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or gave us a little hint of Fry's difficulty with Leela working with all these hunky nekkid men in the locker room

Not again. Haven't we already been through this? It would be lame if every episode dealt with Fry or Leela's shippery reactions to every event(wasn't it enough that Fry tried to pat Leela's butt?). We've seen Fry get jealous before, we don't need to waste time seeing him freak out because she's showering with other men(which she has also done before).

 
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And bad puns. Wrath of Conrail? Owwwwwwwwww

Haha, come on, that was great. Puns rock.

edited because this material has already been covered(I'm an idiot and forgot to read page 2)

PS, can anyone transcribe Martha Stewart's line about prostitutes decorating with festive gourds(or whatever the hell she said?). That was funny. There was a lot of funny stuff, and it sounds like there was a lot that I missed, I wish I had this on tape.
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« Reply #44 on: 04-15-2002 15:31 »
« Last Edit on: 04-15-2002 15:31 »

Yeah, I noticed the redone joke too. And Fry said that second line.
Oh, and Martha Stewart said: In the English countryside, many prostitutes decorate their wounds with festive gourds.
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« Reply #45 on: 04-15-2002 16:11 »

 
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Originally posted by FishyJoe:
Not again. Haven't we already been through this? It would be lame if every episode dealt with Fry or Leela's shippery reactions to every event(wasn't it enough that Fry tried to pat Leela's butt?). We've seen Fry get jealous before, we don't need to waste time seeing him freak out because she's showering with other men(which she has also done before).


And once again I have to point out to Fishy that this would just be a one-line gag, not the entire plot.

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« Reply #46 on: 04-15-2002 16:15 »

Am I the only one who thinks that A LOT of Futurama episodes would go from very good to great if the series was an hour long as opposed to a half hour?  There are so many different episodes that I can think of that would play out perfectly in a full hour format.
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« Reply #47 on: 04-15-2002 16:20 »

my thoughts exactly frakendorfer
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« Reply #48 on: 04-15-2002 16:24 »

Hell yeah!

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« Reply #49 on: 04-15-2002 18:51 »

Why would Fry be in the Mets' dressing room?
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« Reply #50 on: 04-15-2002 18:52 »

That equals truth.  smile

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« Reply #51 on: 04-15-2002 19:20 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
 And once again I have to point out to Fishy that this would just be a one-line gag, not the entire plot.


I know. In fact you even half-convinced me that including it in A Pharoe To Remember wouldn't be such a bad idea. But still, shipperyness just wouldn't fit into the Blurnsball episode. And even if it's just a one-liner, I don't think we need to be reminded of their developing relationship every week.

Plus why would Fry care about Leela showering with other men? They have a black bar generator. Everything is fine and non-sexual.
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« Reply #52 on: 04-15-2002 20:02 »

It's not a "ship" issue; it's a humor opportunity. When the generator was unplugged, he would've been reminded that he comes from the Stupid Days, before genetic engineering. (Those poor, poor 20th Century women!)

Fry: "Leela, even though you shower after every game with several beefy, handsome men who make me feel...well, inadequate--plus a wrinkly coach and a pimply little teenage blernsbatboy who also make me feel inadequate--I want you to know that I support you and wish you the best."
Leela: "Thanks, Fry."
Fry: "I...I gotta go!" (bursts into tears and runs off wailing)
Leela: (exasperated) "Ugh."

It would be no more "shippy" than the "Is there a Mrs. Queequeg?" line from The Day The Earth Stood Stupid. Okay, maybe a little shippy.

Hell yeah, some episodes could easily be an hour long. I'm getting sick of looking at my watch at the first commercial break and saying, "...the hell? Are the segments getting shorter?"
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« Reply #53 on: 04-15-2002 20:05 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
It's not a "ship" issue; it's a humor opportunity. When the generator was unplugged, he would've been reminded that he comes from the Stupid Days, before genetic engineering. (Those poor, poor 20th Century women!)

Again, when/why would Fry be in there?

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« Reply #54 on: 04-15-2002 20:13 »

It would be cool to see them expand on some ideas, but overall I'd say a half hour is fine. It gives them enough time to fit in a decent story, and the gags come in at a rapid pace. If they had a whole hour to kill, they'd probably slow things down a bit. Godfellas or Bendin' In The Wind suffered quite a bit from a severe lack of jokes...a whole hour of that would suck.

The best bet would be to make a movie series based on their ideas that really do need more than 22 minutes to develop.
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« Reply #55 on: 04-15-2002 20:18 »

The generator could've been unplugged while Linda did a locker-room interview, shortly after which Fry would do the line, watching it air--unedited!--with Leela and the gang in the PE break room. He wouldn't even have to be in the locker room. It's not like they'd even have to have their schwantzes out and twirling away to make him feel inadequate. This is Fry we're talkin' about!
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« Reply #56 on: 04-15-2002 20:43 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
 And once again I have to point out to Fishy that this would just be a one-line gag, not the entire plot.

the calculon ape-trike gag was "one-line" and everyone thought THAT was out of place and lame.  so :shrug: 
For the record I agree with jeff

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« Reply #57 on: 04-15-2002 20:49 »

Meh. I liked that gag. It was three seconds long, didn't hurt anyone.
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« Reply #58 on: 04-15-2002 20:50 »

I'm going with Fishy -- too much of Fry going after Leela is a bad thing, even if it is a 3 second ordeal.  It often backfires and ends up seeming forced or really not funny at all, at least to me.

Some episodes would probably be better if they were longer (like 2 or 3 episodes max); most episodes as they are written now are better with the 22 minutes they have.

The segments vary by up to a minute; the first segment might be really short, then there are 2 commercials, and then end segment would be really long in this situation.  This episode (iron chef) had approx. 25% first segment, 40% second, and 35% last segment.  Usually the center is the longest, the first and last segments vary the most.
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« Reply #59 on: 04-15-2002 20:58 »
« Last Edit on: 04-15-2002 20:58 »

 
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Originally posted by VelourFog:
   
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
 And once again I have to point out to Fishy that this would just be a one-line gag, not the entire plot.

the calculon ape-trike gag was "one-line" and everyone thought THAT was out of place and lame.  so :shrug: 
For the record I agree with jeff


This is sooo the same crap arguement that Simpsons fans where lobbing at each other in the Season 5/Season 6 era.  "I think they show does too many jokes that aren't part of the plot.  The show should be completely driven by the story and not by jokes, no matter how hilarious they may be."    hmpf

I really hope this crap doesn't happen with Futurama, because it's this garbage that started to make people so vehemently hate The Simpsons the way they do now.

I would also like to add that I agree with Jeff about the relationship stuff.  It's not needed every episode.  Little off the cuff gags are fine by me though.  They are the icing on the delicious cake of comedy.
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« Reply #60 on: 04-15-2002 21:21 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainSluggo:
It's not a "ship" issue; it's a humor opportunity. When the generator was unplugged, he would've been reminded that he comes from the Stupid Days, before genetic engineering. (Those poor, poor 20th Century women!)

 "more romance! they should say the same joke each week!"
 "i'm scared of new things!"
 "why not just re-use jokes I already had my mommy explain to me"
VelourFog

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« Reply #61 on: 04-15-2002 21:32 »

for the record I thought the calculon joke took away from the plot pacing because it was so oddly timed (slow paced), not because it didnt tie into some huge plot arc.  If it was tightened up a bit it would of been a lot more hilarious, but I still thought it was mildly diverting
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« Reply #62 on: 04-15-2002 21:38 »

What a great episode, an instant classic. Had me laughin out loud sooo much.. and i dint really understand alot of the Iron Cook or even some Star Wars stuff in there. Zoidberg, despite being hilariously funny (and miserable poor), seems different than he used to. There was something soooo good about the sad groans he would give when other characters made fun of him, like in the earlier seasons.

And especially, Morbo was brilliant. He needs to be on the show more, hes freakin hilarious.. I love his voice and how he dogs the Earth all the time.

"hmm... so humans have easily injured knees..."
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« Reply #63 on: 04-15-2002 21:39 »
« Last Edit on: 04-15-2002 21:39 »

I guess we can't have jokes about Bender's drinking anymore either, then? Or his other less savory aspects. Or Zoidberg's being poor, and hungry, and crustacean. Hermes must never mention Jamaica again or jerked food. Amy can no longer be clumsy or rich or curse in Chinese. Leela can't kick anyone's ass again, especially Zapp's--it might offend Fog because it's already been done or mentioned once.

(snickers at the sheer ludicrousness)

...and if you confuse penis size and romance, maybe Mommy should explain it all to you againbig grin

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« Reply #64 on: 04-15-2002 21:45 »

Zoidberg being pathetic is a pretty broad characteristic. Surely you'd agree that Fry being ashamed of his non-genetically enhanced geneticles(teehee) is a little more specific than that. There's not much you can do with it that hasn't been done in Why Must I Be A Crustacean.
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« Reply #65 on: 04-15-2002 21:58 »

 
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Originally posted by VelourFog:
for the record I thought the calculon joke took away from the plot pacing because it was so oddly timed (slow paced), not because it didnt tie into some huge plot arc.  If it was tightened up a bit it would of been a lot more hilarious, but I still thought it was mildly diverting

I agree about that joke.  I just don't like the fact that Futurama fans might start to go the same annoying "holier-than-thou" root that Simpsons fans seem to.

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« Reply #66 on: 04-15-2002 22:21 »
« Last Edit on: 04-15-2002 22:21 »

look, I dont see why people have to quasi flame me because I don't agree with them.  If you don't want to read what I say, then don't read it.

show of hands, how many people here are published comedy writers and how many agree with me.   wink

me: drops it unless further provoked:
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« Reply #67 on: 04-15-2002 22:30 »

My feelings about the ep were meh. There were great jokes. I didn't care for The Iron Chef parody partly because I've never seen the real show and I don't really care for cooking shows. They make me hungry. They revealed Zoidberg's first name again. I really liked the ordinary water laced with LSD. smile
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« Reply #68 on: 04-15-2002 22:42 »
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Originally posted by VelourFog, going straight for my nuts:
  "more romance! they should say the same joke each week!"
 "i'm scared of new things!"
 "why not just re-use jokes I already had my mommy explain to me"

   
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Posted later by VelourFog, now playing "the wounded doe:"
look, I dont see why people have to quasi flame me because I don't agree with them.

Don't like smartasses? Don't be a smartass.

(Uh oh, I'm not a professional writer and may not "follow the herd" 24-7, so I'm not allowed to express my opinion! Gosh, I'm sooooo sorry.)
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« Reply #69 on: 04-15-2002 22:44 »
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Oh, and Martha Stewart said: In the English countryside, many prostitutes decorate their wounds with festive gourds.

Not wounds. Rooms. It sounds like rooms, and the closed captioning said rooms. And rooms makes more sense. Not to be rude or anything, just presenting the rationale.

And Allen - when did we see Zoidy's first name before? I sure don't remember it.



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« Reply #70 on: 04-15-2002 22:59 »
« Last Edit on: 04-15-2002 22:59 »

MadCapper, I couldn't find the PEEL thread, but someone pointed out that Zoiby's first name's been sitting in the character bios at the otherwise-empty official FOX Futurama page all this time.

EDIT: Found it! Forgot the bloomin' search only covers one forum at a time.
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« Reply #71 on: 04-15-2002 23:02 »
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And Allen - when did we see Zoidy's first name before? I sure don't remember it.

Whenever FOX put Futurama content on their site

Actually, BS, there was an earlier thread - I'm looking for it in the website forum.

Found it!

So judging from that, we've "known" Zoidy's first name for about 6 months.

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« Reply #72 on: 04-15-2002 23:27 »

This episode was awesome! I love Iron Chef and the parody was great. it was a bit predictable that the secret "essence" wasn't going to be so special after all, but a darned good episode. A solid A from me!
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« Reply #73 on: 04-16-2002 00:04 »

Hmm. I dunno, mebbe I'm just weird. I watch the show and don't read Fox's website.
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« Reply #74 on: 04-16-2002 00:25 »

Normally, I'd say, "Why the hell would you bother with the FOX Futurama site?"--its lack of content is the perfect testament to the contempt FOXecutive scum have for the show--but there are some neat little gems hidden in those bios, so you really ought to scan through it at least once.
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« Reply #75 on: 04-16-2002 00:31 »

B.Frankendorfer, I don't exactly understand what you are getting at with the Simpsons; most episodes prior to season 10 had an overall plot.  Often the newer episodes jump around.  The jokes were getting recycled and the characters started behaving out of character, not to mention some problems with the comedy changing from a disfunctional family unit to the crazy life of Homer Simpson.  The new stuff added to the Simpsons has been really screwed up, and more and more episodes being based on guest stars... I think that is why many people dislike the current Simpsons compared to back in its prime.
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« Reply #76 on: 04-16-2002 09:33 »

Hi I just seen it and I thought it was ok  smile

Bender was so sweet, not being a jackass, and the other charatacers where funny at the table while Bender sevres them. "Amy you cute so I got you a pony" hehe

I like the Iron chef show it was really cool and it's good to see Bublegum Tate again.



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« Reply #77 on: 04-16-2002 20:56 »

 
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Originally posted by McGrady:
B.Frankendorfer, I don't exactly understand what you are getting at with the Simpsons; most episodes prior to season 10 had an overall plot.  Often the newer episodes jump around.  The jokes were getting recycled and the characters started behaving out of character, not to mention some problems with the comedy changing from a disfunctional family unit to the crazy life of Homer Simpson.  The new stuff added to the Simpsons has been really screwed up, and more and more episodes being based on guest stars... I think that is why many people dislike the current Simpsons compared to back in its prime.


Ahhh, yes now I can see someone agreeing with you about the "current" state of The Simpsons (although I don't, and still watch it religiously, laughing out loud every week), but I was describing that annoying "think-they-know-it-all" internet geeks have actually been complaining about The Simpsons since around Season 4 and actually started to get really annoying, and really fucking pompous for a bunch of people who watch a cartoon around Season 5/Season 6.  In fact I have recently read an old post on alt.tv.simpsons that said that "Itchy and Scratchy:The Movie" was the "Worst Episode Ever", the guy even wrote that word for word in his post, what a pompous ass...

I would rather not see the community of Futurama fans get like this just because there were one or two bad epiosdes, and I was only referencing something that I had seen in the past.

Oh, and VelourFog- I'm sorry if I sounded like I was "quasi-flaming" you before.  I actually agreed with what you said, but I guess it didn't read like that in the posts that I made.   smile
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« Reply #78 on: 04-16-2002 21:02 »

B.Frankendorfer: Oh I see what you mean now; yeah I understand what you are saying (and see it somewhat).

Just for fun: notice what Bender cooked for everyone; the items are actually quite appropriate.  Amy has is cute, so she gets a pony; Hermes is "smart" and gets a brain; Fry gets ribs (I don't get this joke); Leela has one eye so her meal involves eyeballs; the professor is old and has failing organs so he got organs.
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« Reply #79 on: 04-16-2002 22:28 »

B. Frankendorfer- we cool, dude. we cool  cool
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