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Aki

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« Reply #200 on: 07-12-2010 18:12 »

Btw, I just realised how much the ending of Proposition Infinity reminds me of Grease: she doesn't like you for who you are, so pretend being what she likes and she'll like you. Not to say it's not a great Futurama twist nor a sad truth.
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« Reply #201 on: 07-12-2010 18:32 »
« Last Edit on: 07-18-2010 01:57 »

Fry, Bender, and Zoidberg were golden in that scene. The direction was fantastic. Bender's "Wait, I'm not in position!" and Fry's "SHE SAID GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" were great.

Yeah, I laughed so hard at "ABORT MISSION!" "SHE SAID GO!" the first time I watched the episode that I had to pause it so I could keep laughing without missing anything.

Edited again because it would appear that more modding made it not a TOTP again.
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« Reply #202 on: 07-12-2010 22:59 »

I still think the controversial issue of robot dating in "I Dated a Robot" is significantly different than the issue of robosexuality in "Proposition 8".  Remember the propaganda film in IDAR?  Robot dating was considered bad because you could just take a robot shell, download your favorite human personality/appearance, and have a guaranteed mate.  That type of situation would create a disincentive for humans to better the world, and hence would be a bad situation for everyone.  Robosexuality seems totally different, since it involves humans dating pre-programmed robots (i.e. robots with their personalities already built into them).  Humans would presumably still have to impress the robots with their personalities/abilities, and so robosexuality seems fundamentally different from the type of dating that happened in IDAR.  Anyone else agree?
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« Reply #203 on: 07-12-2010 23:02 »

I still think the controversial issue of robot dating in "I Dated a Robot" is significantly different than the issue of robosexuality in "Proposition 8".  Remember the propaganda film in IDAR?  Robot dating was considered bad because you could just take a robot shell, download your favorite human personality/appearance, and have a guaranteed mate.  That type of situation would create a disincentive for humans to better the world, and hence would be a bad situation for everyone.  Robosexuality seems totally different, since it involves humans dating pre-programmed robots (i.e. robots with their personalities already built into them).  Humans would presumably still have to impress the robots with their personalities/abilities, and so robosexuality seems fundamentally different from the type of dating that happened in IDAR.  Anyone else agree?
That's what I thought too, and that's why I don't get all the "everyone feels different now" remarks.
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« Reply #204 on: 07-13-2010 05:27 »
« Last Edit on: 07-13-2010 05:37 »

I still think the controversial issue of robot dating in "I Dated a Robot" is significantly different than the issue of robosexuality in "Proposition 8".  Remember the propaganda film in IDAR?  Robot dating was considered bad because you could just take a robot shell, download your favorite human personality/appearance, and have a guaranteed mate.  That type of situation would create a disincentive for humans to better the world, and hence would be a bad situation for everyone.

The Space Pope's propaganda video established human reproduction and the survival of the species as the raison d'etre for sex; things like courtship and love were purely incidental.  It's not all that far off from some (not all) religious views on the purpose of sexuality, which made it a far sharper satire than anything that Proposition Infinity had to offer imo.

Obviously the fact that robots can't reproduce with humans still exists in Proposition Infinity, and I think it's pretty fair to ask why attitudes have changed.
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« Reply #205 on: 07-13-2010 07:52 »

Jezzem's dancing sandwich never gets old.

I just saw the episode again, and I liked it even more than last time.  I'd put it with the episodes from the original run.
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« Reply #206 on: 07-13-2010 11:26 »

A little late here XD

But I agree with those who say this is the best episode of the new ones . I hope the others are just like this big grin

I think everyone covered what I liked, I mean... really I liked it all, but I have to say that I also really like Kif in the end with the sunglasses XD  I think that should be a new avatar :P  I'd love that.
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« Reply #207 on: 07-13-2010 12:52 »



      Fry, Bender, and Zoidberg were golden in that scene. The direction was fantastic. Bender's "Wait, I'm not in position!" and Fry's "SHE SAID GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" were great.


   Yeah, I laughed so hard at "ABORT MISSION!" "SHE SAID GO!" the first time I watched the episode that I had to pause it so I could keep laughing without missing anything.


How would energy weapons help with capturing a tornado anyway (especially pulsed energy weapons)?

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Aki

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« Reply #208 on: 07-13-2010 12:56 »

How would a tornado be harvested into a pickle jar? Wouldn't the tornado die as soon as there was no wind beside it?
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« Reply #209 on: 07-13-2010 16:57 »
« Last Edit on: 12-01-2011 18:46 »

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« Reply #210 on: 07-13-2010 17:08 »

How would a tornado be harvested into a pickle jar? Wouldn't the tornado die as soon as there was no wind beside it?

If the jar could recreate pressures and temperatures around the outside of the tornado, it could pheasibly work.

But then there'd be no need to capture a real tornado, it would just generate one on its own.
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« Reply #211 on: 07-13-2010 17:46 »
« Last Edit on: 07-13-2010 17:47 »

Feasibly.

I'd say it's simply Rule Of Funny. You can't keep weather in jars. It's a joke. It's also science fiction, since we have to assume Farnsworth has some sort of mad science involved.

Energy weapons, same deal.
The Preacherbot was the best part of the episode IMO. Especially during the wresting phase.

Does anyone else think that Lionel Preacherbot looks a bit like a cathedral radio? It would be apropos if he was based on a cathedral radio. http://www.architecturals.net/cathedral-radio-with-cd-player/

I have one thing to say to you: duh. That's the joke. Geez, if this is the calibre of the average viewer, they're going to have to start dumbing down. Which would be bad. The nerd audience would flee for the hills, screaming. And I would be one of them.
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« Reply #212 on: 07-13-2010 20:41 »

It was great! ABsolutely hilarious! It took a couple episodes to get into the groove of things but now it's finally reeling on all 4 cylinders (?) like it was pre-movies. Episode Three was pretty good, going in thr right direction, but episode four...wow I loved it! So now Fry and Amy have both dated a robot, one inconsistency though is that Bender was against the "metal fever" Fry had in I Dated a Robot and here he was encouraging it, maybe because he's Bender and he's awesome. We do know that via the "What If" Scenario that Amy was attracted to Bender in human form, or that she's just a little slutty, which is viable. Also the incorporation of George Takei's head...ohhh my! 10/10 from me
Aki

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« Reply #213 on: 07-13-2010 20:44 »

It was great! ABsolutely hilarious! It took a couple episodes to get into the groove of things but now it's finally reeling on all 4 cylinders (?) like it was pre-movies. Episode Three was pretty good, going in thr right direction, but episode four...wow I loved it! So now Fry and Amy have both dated a robot, one inconsistency though is that Bender was against the "metal fever" Fry had in I Dated a Robot and here he was encouraging it, maybe because he's Bender and he's awesome. We do know that via the "What If" Scenario that Amy was attracted to Bender in human form, or that she's just a little slutty, which is viable. Also the incorporation of George Takei's head...ohhh my! 10/10 from me
Also remember in the same episode Bender was going to marry Lucy Liu, robosexuality yet again. Bender is always oppose to things he suffers from, and he always support things he earn from.
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« Reply #214 on: 07-13-2010 20:45 »

Aha, I forgot about Lucy Liu's head! duh! It's been a while since I've seen the older ones. I'm getting forgetful in my older age! Thanks Aki! You're right, I had forgotten Bender is the biggest hypocrite on the show (i don't know how..but i did, leave me alone!)
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« Reply #215 on: 07-13-2010 20:58 »

I still think the controversial issue of robot dating in "I Dated a Robot" is significantly different than the issue of robosexuality in "Proposition 8".  Remember the propaganda film in IDAR?  Robot dating was considered bad because you could just take a robot shell, download your favorite human personality/appearance, and have a guaranteed mate.  That type of situation would create a disincentive for humans to better the world, and hence would be a bad situation for everyone.  Robosexuality seems totally different, since it involves humans dating pre-programmed robots (i.e. robots with their personalities already built into them).  Humans would presumably still have to impress the robots with their personalities/abilities, and so robosexuality seems fundamentally different from the type of dating that happened in IDAR.  Anyone else agree?

I agree that there's a difference between IDAR and "Proposition Infinity", and you actually nipped an argument that I wanted to make--that Fry and Leela finding solace in robot versions of each other in "Rebirth" kind of makes it seem like humans dating robots isn't a big deal, and chronologically this episode is a lot closer to PI than is IDAR, so the inconsistencies are even more pronounced now than they would have been otherwise--in the bud. I officially don't care anymore. tongue
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« Reply #216 on: 07-13-2010 21:01 »

This was definitly the best new episode so far.
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« Reply #217 on: 07-13-2010 21:08 »

I officially don't care anymore. tongue

Cares...deleted?  hmpf
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« Reply #218 on: 07-13-2010 21:09 »

In response to That 80s Guy: I don't think robosexuality is much different, since both would result is less babies and thus annihilation of the human (or mutant) existence. Dating a bot like Bender will result in no more babies than dating a build a bot or celebrity bot.
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« Reply #219 on: 07-13-2010 21:13 »

Does anyone really see that as an objection to homosexuality? Is there a serious shortage of human beings on earth and I haven't noticed?
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« Reply #220 on: 07-13-2010 21:23 »

There's a surplus, if anything.
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« Reply #221 on: 07-13-2010 21:34 »

indeed. Homosexuality should be mandatory! Only people with a special license should be allowed to engage in heterosexual relationships.
Aki

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« Reply #222 on: 07-13-2010 22:03 »

indeed. Homosexuality should be mandatory! Only people with a special license should be allowed to engage in heterosexual relationships.
Still if one looks for a reason against homosexuality (because "it's so dirty and horrible" isn't enough) that's a natural to come to. It's the only one that exists nowadays, more or less. Other than "it says so in the Bible", but still.
That 80s Guy

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« Reply #223 on: 07-14-2010 00:36 »

I still think the controversial issue of robot dating in "I Dated a Robot" is significantly different than the issue of robosexuality in "Proposition 8".  Remember the propaganda film in IDAR?  Robot dating was considered bad because you could just take a robot shell, download your favorite human personality/appearance, and have a guaranteed mate.  That type of situation would create a disincentive for humans to better the world, and hence would be a bad situation for everyone.  Robosexuality seems totally different, since it involves humans dating pre-programmed robots (i.e. robots with their personalities already built into them).  Humans would presumably still have to impress the robots with their personalities/abilities, and so robosexuality seems fundamentally different from the type of dating that happened in IDAR.  Anyone else agree?

I agree that there's a difference between IDAR and "Proposition Infinity", and you actually nipped an argument that I wanted to make--that Fry and Leela finding solace in robot versions of each other in "Rebirth" kind of makes it seem like humans dating robots isn't a big deal, and chronologically this episode is a lot closer to PI than is IDAR, so the inconsistencies are even more pronounced now than they would have been otherwise--in the bud. I officially don't care anymore. tongue

Interesting - I need to watch Rebirth again, but the acceptance of "human" Fry dating robot Leela may have been due to the specific relationship that Fry had with Leela (plus the Professor may not have been favorable to the idea of Fry reproducing).  But again, I'll have to check that episode out one more time.

I still think the controversial issue of robot dating in "I Dated a Robot" is significantly different than the issue of robosexuality in "Proposition 8".  Remember the propaganda film in IDAR?  Robot dating was considered bad because you could just take a robot shell, download your favorite human personality/appearance, and have a guaranteed mate.  That type of situation would create a disincentive for humans to better the world, and hence would be a bad situation for everyone.

The Space Pope's propaganda video established human reproduction and the survival of the species as the raison d'etre for sex; things like courtship and love were purely incidental.  It's not all that far off from some (not all) religious views on the purpose of sexuality, which made it a far sharper satire than anything that Proposition Infinity had to offer imo.

Obviously the fact that robots can't reproduce with humans still exists in Proposition Infinity, and I think it's pretty fair to ask why attitudes have changed.

Good point - this may have just killed my argument.  Especially since it begs the question, "Well why aren't people in the future against homosexuality then?  That doesn't allow the creation of babies either!"  which just reinforces the satire and irony that PI is trying to convey.  In fact, now I think it makes even more sense that people have changed their views toward robosexuality.  It's just like homosexuality in our time - not so long ago, one of the reasons the public was against homosexuality was because, as the Church probably espoused, homosexuality doesn't allow reproduction and "proper child-bearing".  But now people are more liberal-minded and understand that not everyone has to reproduce (not to mention there are plenty of children in need of adoption).  Likewise, in PI, people used to be against robosexuality because it prevented reproduction and all that, but now they've become more liberal and realize it's ok.  This episode has done a better job of commenting on homosexuality than I originally thought.  Thanks guys!
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« Reply #224 on: 07-14-2010 06:10 »

How would a tornado be harvested into a pickle jar? Wouldn't the tornado die as soon as there was no wind beside it?

If the jar could recreate pressures and temperatures around the outside -

Magic, got it.
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« Reply #225 on: 07-15-2010 12:48 »
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« Reply #226 on: 07-15-2010 12:56 »

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Aki

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« Reply #227 on: 07-15-2010 13:09 »

I actually hadn't noticed the radio joke until you said it. It's a background joke, it's not odd or a sign of stupidity to not notice it. There are lots of robots who look like things (hey, don't Robot Santa remind you of the real Santa?!), and it's not important to the story. Take it easy.
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« Reply #228 on: 07-15-2010 19:04 »

The best episode of this season, but then again that's not saying much.  wink
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« Reply #229 on: 07-15-2010 19:14 »

Aw, people, chill out!  The new episodes are far from being awful and the original run only had a few "stand-out" eps like "Roswell", "The Sting", "Luck of the Fryish" and "Jurrassic Bark".

Before you know it, a fantastic ep will be shown but most of y'all will be bitching about how awful the new season is.
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« Reply #230 on: 07-15-2010 19:25 »

I think there were more than a few, personally.
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« Reply #231 on: 07-16-2010 00:07 »

Hey! Ralph's back! And he brought a good point with him! big grin
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« Reply #232 on: 07-16-2010 00:21 »

Hey! Ralph's back!

I have to say that in Randy's voice, right?
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« Reply #233 on: 07-16-2010 00:33 »

Indeed you do, Svip. Indeed you do...
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« Reply #234 on: 07-16-2010 06:10 »

Did not like it.  Watched it again after reading this thread, disliked it a bit less, but still did not like it.

A bit preachy.  A bit too modern day topical.  A few failed jokes.  But mis-casting of characters is really what killed it for me.

Could not get over Bender and Amy suddenly going after each other.  This many seasons (years?) into the relationship, and this is the first time we find out that they're attracted to each other?  And not just a one night stand attracted, but marriage attracted?  "Death to all humans"/"No crotch=no snoo snoo" Bender and "Kif is my one true love" Amy suddenly just 180 on their whole character development for this episode?  Amy and Kif's relationship goes south so fast that it fits into the first two minutes of the show?  And KIF is the one with the cojones to call it off?  Really?  Who are these people?

Not buying it.  It was all way too forced for the sake of moving the plot.  It's as if they wrote the story first, then shoe-horned in the first characters that came to mind.  Why not bring in additional people/robots to fulfill the love interests?  It's easy to toss a Colleen in there and then dispose of them again without tampering too much with the overarching chemistry.  Sure Futurama was always a sitcom, but it had long term investment in its characters relationships (Fry & Leela, Amy & Kif).  They grew and built on these things as sub-plots of numerous episodes.  Instead we get a Simpsons-esque ordeal akin to Marge and Homer meeting and marrying in a different way each season.  They have plenty of unestablished and perpetually single characters to keep relationship humor in the show without having to re-cast their core personalities for every episode. Sheesh.

Rant over, sorry. :-\
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« Reply #235 on: 07-16-2010 10:53 »

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"Death to all humans"/"No crotch=no snoo snoo"

Bender has the "Swiss Army Knife" of Antennas.  He can program it for several things.  Also, Satan only knows what kind of "Enhancement Aids" he's carrying around in his chest.

Gee, just sit back and enjoy the show.
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« Reply #236 on: 07-16-2010 11:18 »

Interesting points person who didn't like this episode, but I disagree. All the characters acted in character within their preSeason 3 characters. Ie Amy *would* have sex with Bender because she's a dumb slut. Bender would sleep with Amy because he's the best. Neither of them wanted to get married until after people told them they couldn't have their relationship upon which Bender had to go out of his way to prove he's the best by making robosexual marriage legal. And Kif dumping Amy is the most believable... Check out any relationship where a guy with low self esteem dates a whore. Amy is pretty hot though.
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« Reply #237 on: 07-18-2010 01:41 »

Did not like it.  Watched it again after reading this thread, disliked it a bit less, but still did not like it.

A bit preachy.  A bit too modern day topical.  A few failed jokes.  But mis-casting of characters is really what killed it for me.

Could not get over Bender and Amy suddenly going after each other.  This many seasons (years?) into the relationship, and this is the first time we find out that they're attracted to each other?  And not just a one night stand attracted, but marriage attracted?  "Death to all humans"/"No crotch=no snoo snoo" Bender and "Kif is my one true love" Amy suddenly just 180 on their whole character development for this episode?  Amy and Kif's relationship goes south so fast that it fits into the first two minutes of the show?  And KIF is the one with the cojones to call it off?  Really?  Who are these people?

Not buying it.  It was all way too forced for the sake of moving the plot.  It's as if they wrote the story first, then shoe-horned in the first characters that came to mind.  Why not bring in additional people/robots to fulfill the love interests?  It's easy to toss a Colleen in there and then dispose of them again without tampering too much with the overarching chemistry.  Sure Futurama was always a sitcom, but it had long term investment in its characters relationships (Fry & Leela, Amy & Kif).  They grew and built on these things as sub-plots of numerous episodes.  Instead we get a Simpsons-esque ordeal akin to Marge and Homer meeting and marrying in a different way each season.  They have plenty of unestablished and perpetually single characters to keep relationship humor in the show without having to re-cast their core personalities for every episode. Sheesh.

Rant over, sorry. :-\

Bender kissed Amy as a human in AOI II and liked it...

Also I doubt Colleen will be back seeing as Brittany Murphy who voiced her died...
http://theinfosphere.org/Colleen_O'Hallahan
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« Reply #238 on: 07-18-2010 01:53 »

Amy is pretty hot. I wouldn't mind getting a little rough with her. flirt
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« Reply #239 on: 07-18-2010 02:31 »

Hmm.. I was bored by the second viewing of Proposition Infinity. And here I thought this one was getting the best reviews from fans... Something wrong with me I guess!!
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