Gorky
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I'm conflicted on him. I mean, I'd definitely give him the EPA and normalizing relations with China. It's kind of funny, because he did some things so leftist that Barack Obama couldn't run on them nowadays.
Still, he prolonged the Vietnam war quite a bit and was generally sort of crooked even before that scandal. And possibly completely delusional (his "enemies list," etc) and just unfit to be in office. Still, there's probably been worse ones.
Probably? Hells yes. I'm gonna make Dubya jokes like it's 2005!
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futurefreak
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Pretty good, pretty funny. Season is heading in thr right direction. Said pretty much what I was thinking about Apple, which is odd cuz I know the writers prefer Apple...self-deprecation is always the best humor!
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Taco Wiz
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I reluctantly clicked 10/10. This episode was so funny and brilliant. What I didn't like, though, was the Fry/Leela dynamic. When us FryxLeela shippers said we wanted them to hook up, we didn't REALLY mean it. And the "we love each other now" dynamic showed, especially around the end. Leela not following Fry, as AMAZINGLY minor as it is, is a step in the right direction. I should've given this a lower score. But it was so funny...
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Applepie
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I didn't get why Fry and Leela are all friendly and stuff and they talk like: "Thanks, you're a good friend!" Chronically, they should be LOVERS! Didn't Fry say I love you in The wild green yonder and didn't Leela answer: i love you too? I mean, in rebirth and in-a-gadda-da-leela they were lovers too. That's what i didn't get.
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Aki
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It's not establishd, as Jezzem says. I think in-universe they're not sure themselves, they're obviously closer than before but perhaps not lovers (yet).
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Svip
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I didn't get why Fry and Leela are all friendly and stuff and they talk like: "Thanks, you're a good friend!" Chronically, they should be LOVERS! Didn't Fry say I love you in The wild green yonder and didn't Leela answer: i love you too? I mean, in rebirth and in-a-gadda-da-leela they were lovers too. That's what i didn't get.
Girls have told me the same thing, but I have never been lovers with anyone. I get it. And it hurts. * Svip weeps.
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Gorky
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« Reply #296 on: 07-26-2010 18:08 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2010 18:10 »
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Referring to Fry and Leela as lovers gives me a certain Harlequin vibe. I've said this before and I'll say it again (because I have very few original ideas and just have to keep recycling them): I think Fry and Leela are in a state similar to how they were for most of the series; all that's changed, really, is that instead of Fry's love being unrequited, we've heard Leela say the words back. That they are not in an established, canon relationship doesn't bother me much, because the writers have given us little hints (the kiss in IAGDL, that Mile-Deep Club thing in "The Duh-Vinci Code"), and I think episodes like "The Late Philip J. Fry" will focus on the ship to an extent similar to "Rebirth" (even if the writers choose not to settle the ship once and for all until the very last episode, which has been indicated elsewhere).
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Frida Waterfall
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Referring to Fry and Leela as lovers gives me a certain Harlequin vibe. I've said this before and I'll say it again (because I have very few original ideas and just have to keep recycling them): I think Fry and Leela are in a state similar to how they were for most of the series; all that's changed, really, is that instead of Fry's love being unrequited, we've heard Leela say the words back. That they are not in an established, canon relationship doesn't bother me much, because the writers have given us little hints (the kiss in IAGDL, that Mile-Deep Club thing in "The Duh-Vinci Code"), and I think episodes like "The Late Philip J. Fry" will focus on the ship to an extent similar to "Rebirth"
Could not have said it better. (even if the writers choose not to settle the ship once and for all until the very last episode, which has been indicated elsewhere).
Question now that you mention it, is the Fry/Leela relationship the focus of the last episode, or is it the three-styles-of-animation episode as the finale? I've heard some sources cite that the last is the latter, others saying that it depends on production as they are both in early stages.
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DannyJC13
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So on the commentary, MG seems to be joking about not wanting puke and butt boils in the show. He did sound serious, but only very slightly. He was talking about it lightly.
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DannyJC13
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Someone posted in this thread somewhere about the commentary, and they made it sound like Matt really hated the episode, but he seems to like it.
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DannyJC13
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Dunno if he was joking, but he says the only thing he did not want in the new season of Futurama is puke. He then said he left the office, came back and saw this. (He says it while Mr. Chunks is vomiting on screen.)
He was probably joking, as later on he says "And no butt boils."
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Beanoz4
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Ah. One would think that if he did in fact really hate it, he would have done something about it before it ran.
Well he aparently hates The Simpsons episode A Star Is Burns and that episode still went on air. Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons, reacted negatively when he heard about this episode, feeling that it was just an advertisement for The Critic, and that people would incorrectly associate the show with him. When he was unsuccessful in getting the program pulled, he had his name removed from the credits and went public with his concerns, openly criticizing James L. Brooks and saying the episode "violates the Simpsons' universe." In response, Brooks said "I am furious with Matt, [...] he's allowed his opinion, but airing this publicly in the press is going too far. [...] his behavior right now is rotten."
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Mr_HJB
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I dunno, I found this to be the worst episode of both new seasons for me.
It got a few reluctant chuckles from me in a disgusted sort of way, but overall I didn't find more than a couple things particularly enjoyable about this episode. The whole iPhone/Twitter/Youtube premise puts the entire episode as a satire of today, which irritates me for the same reason other modern references have bugged me.
On the other hand since it was done kind of "all in" it at least felt like a cohesive plot, and of the few things I enjoyed, I loved that it was all a Mom plot, that felt perfect for her.
The Susan Boil bit I could have done without, the two headed vomiting animal was pretty low brow, though again - disgusted reluctant laughs, so I suppose it still appealed to me :P
Things I did like were the installation of the EyePhone and the Mom plot.
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DannyJC13
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I want to know how the crew seem to already know Mr. Chunks, Amy knows his name as soon as she walks over.
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Beamer
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I also thought it was the show's worst episode upon initial viewing, and still hold that opinion.
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cartoonlover27
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I don't think this episode, (besides Susan Boil), was as bad as most people give it credit for. It was nothing great, but there were a few laughs hidden in there.
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