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Gorky

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« Reply #80 on: 06-25-2010 06:54 »

You know, being someone who plays saxophone in a marching band, I feel the need to get a shirt with Leela saying, "We can fix the wrongs of society. Like the tuba!"

Really? I'd think you'd want a shirt about a saxaphonist's beautiful soul lying naked on one's couch.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #81 on: 06-25-2010 06:55 »

Two shirts it is!
Gorky

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« Reply #82 on: 06-25-2010 07:00 »

Excellent choice, sir!

Oh, I just remembered another little thing I liked about the episode: that disgusted noise Farnsworth makes when Leela kisses Fry goodbye. Nothing wrong with some editorializing, writers.
Igner_Farnsworth

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« Reply #83 on: 06-25-2010 07:04 »

This episode was sort of a let down for me but they could have done alot worse.  I did like the $3 hooker joke, the Urectum joke, and one that didn't call back when Zapp realized that Adam and Eves children had to have children. Regardless I'm glad it's back.
wowbagger

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« Reply #84 on: 06-25-2010 08:00 »

Well it was definitely more adult then Amazon Women, but it hasn't hit Spanish Fry yet.

Perhaps, although Spanish Fry was mainly innuendo, whereas In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela was very direct.  But I guess it wasn't so much different that those two episodes mentioned.
bend_her

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« Reply #85 on: 06-25-2010 08:19 »

My biggest beef with this episode was that the V-Giny character was not - pardon the expression - fleshed out fully. To the writers credit, the bar for aliens who want to destroy the earth was set really high by the Omicronians, but still the character felt, I dunno, forced.

Zoidberg and Parchezzi - A box with a little cheese stuck to the top??? big grin What a day this was!

And yes, the shipper in me was happy with the first half, and disgusted with the second. Why oh why would someone as sensible and un-impulsive (Hello? New boots!) as Leela snu-snu Zapp after knowing what a pompous buffoon he is, after he hunted them down through a wormhole and after he lied to her so many times?

I liked the animation of the stealth ship spinning out of control after it left V-Giny. Shiny sparkles!
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #86 on: 06-25-2010 08:32 »

I was alright with Leela taking one "for the team", and I am now okay with the fact that she didn't use a condom (the V-GINY would've censored it then since it wasn't "Biblical" (? not quite sure what's the word), but I really hope that when Leela returns she takes a "morning after" pill. I don't want to even think of the possibility of her being Zapp's b*tch...
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #87 on: 06-25-2010 08:51 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 08:53 »

I am now okay with the fact that she didn't use a condom (the V-GINY would've censored it then since it wasn't "Biblical" (? not quite sure what's the word), but I really hope that when Leela returns she takes a "morning after" pill. I don't want to even think of the possibility of her being Zapp's bitch...
And now we've crossed into the realm of over-analyzation! If this was a problem you had with the episode, you must have a problem with a whole lot of episodes...
LorenzoDuke

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« Reply #88 on: 06-25-2010 09:47 »

The ending really was embarrassingly out of character. Tough, strongheaded Leela having sex with someone she's repulsed by just because she was told to?! No dice.

I can't believe they let that get through. Ruined an otherwise fairly decent episode.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #89 on: 06-25-2010 10:18 »

The ending really was embarrassingly out of character. Tough, strongheaded Leela having sex with someone she's repulsed by just because she was told to...
... by an intergalactic planet-destroying death sphere, that told her to do it on the threat of destroying Earth. Yeah, everybody sticks to their morals when billions of lives are on the line.
MatMan

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« Reply #90 on: 06-25-2010 10:31 »

Not to mention that it was actually a chance to make Zapp feel uncomfortable and do something he didn't want. Once everyone was watching, he didn't want to root Leela, meaning he was probably flacid anyway so big whoop to the "OMG SHE HAD SEX WITH ZAPP!!!111oneonejuan"

It was funny, and nowhere near as bad as made out to be by many here.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #91 on: 06-25-2010 11:34 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 11:37 »

In general to all those who are mad they did it:

Go watch Love's Labours Lost in Space again. Leela has sex with Zapp to save a planet. It wasn't because she liked his personality or his boyish charm or his ability to make yogurt from milk in a baseball cap. It was because she wanted to save some animals. You can also say it was pity sex, but, still, that's not because she liked him or thought he wasn't a jerk.

Now, after you've seen this, say that what she did in IDGDL is out of character.
Aki

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« Reply #92 on: 06-25-2010 12:58 »

Another random note:  I thought it was clever that Leela figured out Brannigan's ruse as she was consuming the apple from the "Tree of Knowledge" (in the Bible, Adam and Eve realize that they are naked after Eve eats the fruit).
Yeah, the plot had some very clever details I only noticed the other time around, including Leela eating the fruit of knowledge - being refreshed by its juice.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #93 on: 06-25-2010 13:16 »

7/10

Leela did Zapp to save the Earth and she knew that he was humiliated at the time.  She humiliated him one more time after the savage beating she gave him.

Besides, when she first saw Fry after she thought the Earth had been destroyed, she hugged him in a more-than-just-a-friend way.

I enjoyed the episode. 
LorenzoDuke

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« Reply #94 on: 06-25-2010 13:42 »

The ending really was embarrassingly out of character. Tough, strongheaded Leela having sex with someone she's repulsed by just because she was told to...
... by an intergalactic planet-destroying death sphere, that told her to do it on the threat of destroying Earth. Yeah, everybody sticks to their morals when billions of lives are on the line.

By an intergalactic planet-destroying death sphere who's motives for wanting to watch them have sex were entirely contrived and barely explained. But yeah, you're right...it's completely in character for Leela to quickly and unflinchingly say yes to having sex with Zapp in front of the entire Planet Express crew without so much as trying to find an alternative.

That's just like her.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #95 on: 06-25-2010 13:59 »

Barely explained?! V-GINEY explained it! And unflinchingly? She tried to get out of it! What episode were you watching?

Let's remind ourselves of two things: there are lower moral standards in the future when it comes to sex, and Leela's already done this before.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #96 on: 06-25-2010 14:05 »

One line I will always remember from this episode is Bender: "I haven't really felt anything since my guinea pig died..."
I can't believe anyone thought that was funny. I didn't think it was funny at all, and it was a pointless waste of time.


Yikes. That was one of my favorite lines. Seemed like classic Futurama silliness to me. I'm surprised to hear such a negative reaction.
bend_her

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« Reply #97 on: 06-25-2010 14:49 »

Go watch Love's Labours Lost in Space again. Leela has sex with Zapp to save a planet. It wasn't because she liked his personality or his boyish charm or his ability to make yogurt from milk in a baseball cap. It was because she wanted to save some animals. You can also say it was pity sex, but, still, that's not because she liked him or thought he wasn't a jerk.
But then, at that point, all she knew about him was through the hype surrounding "25-star General Zapp", not the incompetent moron that he really is.
Gorky

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« Reply #98 on: 06-25-2010 15:03 »

And she wasn't in a sorta-relationship with someone else when she slept with Zapp the first time.

I agree with Weiner, for the record. I'm just sayin' is all!

Anyway: I agree that both times Leela slept with Zapp, it wasn't out of some genuine desire (even when they're kissing at the end of act two and into act three, it's not some lustful thing; it's Leela trying to perpetuate the species). I think she accepts it kind of quickly at the end of the episode because, again, she doesn't want to belabor anything.
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #99 on: 06-25-2010 15:54 »

I don't really know what to say about the first time she slept with him, because as far as I remember, she'd already kinda figured out that he was a pompous buffoon, which means that it really was just pity sex, as she said.

Either way, what happened, happened, we can't erase it.
Lockley
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« Reply #100 on: 06-25-2010 16:05 »

Hello everyone. Long time fan new to the forum, but was inspired by las night's episodes to post something somewhere. Overall I'd have to say I enjoyed rebirth much more than this. I expected more from a Zapp centered episode. The first 5 minutes were excellent, but then it fell in to a bit of a lull, just to end with Leela having sex with Zapp in front of Fry. Not to be overly sentimental, but the show has always had heart in the past, and after all we went through to finally see Fry and Leela together and in love, this ending felt like a slap in the face from the writers. If it had served the plot at all I could have tried to look past it, but it made little sense in the context of the weak story. I guess episode 3 will start with Fry getting a "quick and painless" in the nearest suicide booth.
Jezzem

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« Reply #101 on: 06-25-2010 16:54 »

Wow, lots of people are overreacting to what was meant to be a joke, aren't they? Calm the hell down, go back and watch the episode again and come back with some clearer thoughts rather than your knee-jerk reaction.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #102 on: 06-25-2010 17:05 »

... by an intergalactic planet-destroying death sphere, that told her to do it on the threat of destroying Earth. Yeah, everybody sticks to their morals when billions of lives are on the line.

The thing is that the Leela of past episodes would have definitely still had a problem with it. Hell, I could see her sooner dying than saving everyone else on Earth by sleeping with Zapp until someone reminded her that Earth is also full of animals. She might have resisted it for a little while and then finally come around to doing it begrundgingly but that's the closest she'd be to willingly doing it. She's always been the kind of character to stick to her morals regardless of things and she just seemed far too up for it.

And it was completely and utterly pity sex in Love's Labours Lost in Space.
Gorky

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« Reply #103 on: 06-25-2010 17:12 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 17:13 »

Watched the episode again this morning, and I'm still likin' it. Did anyone find the "I say" run very amusing? So amusing that they felt the need to rewind and rewatch it?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one. But no matter.

As far as Leela's morals go, cyber_turnip: She slept with Zapp so readily because, like I said, she kind of just wanted to get the whole thing over with. She wasn't going to let the earth be destroyed--I mean, look at how distraught she was when she saw it apparently being censored into oblivion through the telescope. Like she says, she's just taking one for the team.

And, if you want to read something emotional into the plot-point when it really doesn't (nor should it) have an emotional basis, I submit this: Leela would be more willing to save the earth now than she would at an earlier point in the series. I mean, she has Fry! She's found her parents! Why would she let her better judgement prevent her from saving the people on earth--the people she cares about?
Gopher

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« Reply #104 on: 06-25-2010 17:25 »

The ending was too sudden; it felt like there should be some kind of wrap-up or something there. I was genuinely surprised when the credits started rolling for ep 2. Not one of the best eps, but not the worst either.

This is pure speculation, but I found myself wondering during the encore showing about the censorship element of the story. Usually when comedy writers write censorship stories like that, either television in general or their show in particular is dealing with censorship issues at the time. I'm not aware of any general issues in the us at present, but CC won a protracted two-week battle with the South Park creators over the recent mohammed episode, and the negotiating position of futurama is considerably weaker than that of south park. It begs the question, was this the episode they really wanted to make, or an episode that was the result of (or a response to) censorship from Comedy Central?
Tedward

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« Reply #105 on: 06-25-2010 17:56 »

I agree with those who feel that the Censor Ship should have had more development. We're given its origin and that's a good thing, but it just doesn't feel like an adequate adversary. Yes, it's destroying planets (suspiciously quickly) in a way similar to the Brainspawn, but for something so powerful there's not enough purpose (even though its censoring motive seems just as acceptable as the make-people-stupid-and-prevent-new-information plan of the brains). There wasn't enough of a struggle (unless the point really was that V-GINY is so powerful that all anyone could do to avoid it is to be innocent and pure or whatever). I got quite a Yivo vibe from it, what with its massiveness, the fact that it for some reason didn't speak during its destructive acts or the attempted espionage but did at the end, and the weird religious currents associated with it.

So, not even counting the potential Fry-Leela issues, is this pretty much the last we'll see of the Censor Ship? It's appeased and it'll just leave? That only makes the sudden ending worse. I wish someone had at least asked the thing why it didn't censor itself for having the accidental name of V-GINY, but then again no one in the episode seemed to care about that so it wouldn't have done much good.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #106 on: 06-25-2010 18:13 »

This is pure speculation, but I found myself wondering during the encore showing about the censorship element of the story. Usually when comedy writers write censorship stories like that, either television in general or their show in particular is dealing with censorship issues at the time. I'm not aware of any general issues in the us at present, but CC won a protracted two-week battle with the South Park creators over the recent mohammed episode, and the negotiating position of futurama is considerably weaker than that of south park. It begs the question, was this the episode they really wanted to make, or an episode that was the result of (or a response to) censorship from Comedy Central?

I really doubt it. Comedy Central rarely censor South Park. They don't let them use a lot of swear words, but Futurama wouldn't want to use those anyway. Other than that, they've only really censored the more touchy issue of Mohammed and I can't see Futurama trying to push buttons to the same extent that South Park does. Compare their takes on Scientology respectively. Futurama has dropped a few little jokes about it here and there (Church of Trek: The sci-fi religion that doesn't take all your money) whereas South Park has dedicated 2 full episodes plus a fair few scenes in other episodes to mocking Scientology. It's just not in Futurama's style is what I'm saying and I'd be amazed if they were censored beyond what they did in this episode.
mattdm
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« Reply #107 on: 06-25-2010 18:45 »

I agree with those who feel that the Censor Ship should have had more development. We're given its origin and that's a good thing, but it just doesn't feel like an adequate adversary. Yes, it's destroying planets (suspiciously quickly) in a way similar to the Brainspawn, but for something so powerful there's not enough purpose (even though its censoring motive seems just as acceptable as the make-people-stupid-and-prevent-new-information plan of the brains). There wasn't enough of a struggle (unless the point really was that V-GINY is so powerful that all anyone could do to avoid it is to be innocent and pure or whatever). I got quite a Yivo vibe from it, what with its massiveness, the fact that it for some reason didn't speak during its destructive acts or the attempted espionage but did at the end, and the weird religious currents associated with it.

So, not even counting the potential Fry-Leela issues, is this pretty much the last we'll see of the Censor Ship? It's appeased and it'll just leave? That only makes the sudden ending worse. I wish someone had at least asked the thing why it didn't censor itself for having the accidental name of V-GINY, but then again no one in the episode seemed to care about that so it wouldn't have done much good.

So, since no one else has mentioned it, I will: Star Trek: the Motion Picture features "V'Ger", the corrupted remains of (and, uh, this is a spoiler for a 1979 move, so, avert your eyes if that concerns you) a Voyager probe, is destroying planets and Earth is up next.

Oddly, that plot also involves an android duplicate of a human with all of its memories, emotions, etc. -- very like the other of the new episodes.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #108 on: 06-25-2010 19:16 »

Another great episode!  Liked the 'Zapp Brannigan' serial parodies.  I also liked how the PE Crew tried to warn people about smut.  And the V-Giny thing spewing out oil reminded me of the Gulf Oil Spill.  Zapp and Leela being stuck on that planet that turned out to be earth was cool, too!  Turned out better than I expected!   The end was rather obvious and it was funny how Zapp's conscience kept getting the better of him!   5/5. 
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #109 on: 06-25-2010 19:23 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 19:27 »

Ep started out great, was funny and Zapp was on great form for the first half. Loved the DIY Nimbus. Then things got a bit stupid and took a turn for the worse. This dragged it down below the quality of Rebirth in my opinion. I liked the concept of the episode, but Zapp stranded with Leela should have been much more funny. Leela thinking her and Zapp were the last humans (mutant and human then) alive after the Earth blows up (well when she thought it had), but heeeellloooo; do you really think every human is on Earth at that exact moment in time and only you two were off on another planet? (even though it wasn't, but that's not the point) So you're absolutely sure that no one else from Earth is in space anywhere at all? Somehow you were, and enough to make out with the Zapper. Seemed a bit too dumb to me...

Talking snake, eh. Then Zapp explaining everything, was funny the first time, maybe even twice, but beyond that it got annoying. I still liked the ep, but the second half is not up to Futurama's usual standard...
Gopher

Fallback Guy
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« Reply #110 on: 06-25-2010 19:46 »

I really doubt it. Comedy Central rarely censor South Park. They don't let them use a lot of swear words, but Futurama wouldn't want to use those anyway. Other than that, they've only really censored the more touchy issue of Mohammed and I can't see Futurama trying to push buttons to the same extent that South Park does. Compare their takes on Scientology respectively. Futurama has dropped a few little jokes about it here and there (Church of Trek: The sci-fi religion that doesn't take all your money) whereas South Park has dedicated 2 full episodes plus a fair few scenes in other episodes to mocking Scientology. It's just not in Futurama's style is what I'm saying and I'd be amazed if they were censored beyond what they did in this episode.

I'm reluctant to go on at much length on something that's pure speculation on my part, but I'll just say that comedy central gives south park a long leash because they have to, in terms of return on investment that show is like alchemy, it consistently turns a tiny budget into huge ratings, but that doesn't mean they're happy about it. Futurama may turn out to be as strong in ratings for them, but even with the budget cuts it costs them a lot more too, and while I doubt it's a huge issue, they might be determined to start off their relationship with Futurama's producers on a different foot than South Park.

Finally, I'll note that when the news of the series' return was first being officially commented on, dxc talked several times about the fact that they'd be pushing the censors more since they were on basic cable now; in these first two episodes, I haven't really seen that yet.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #111 on: 06-25-2010 19:55 »

Other shows such as Drawn Together are just as lewd. In fact, that show is arguably worse than South Park. I really can't see Comedy Central minding anything Futurama would want to do given their consistent output.

And in those interviews, David X. Cohen never said they were going to push the censors, he said that now they're on Comedy Central, they can do things that would have been pushing the censors a bit on Fox. I think In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela is exactly the kind of thing that he was talking about. He also said that the show wasn't going to turn X rated and that it was important for the tone to stay as it was originally because that's what the show is, so he pretty much said they wouldn't push things too far.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #112 on: 06-25-2010 20:33 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 20:36 »

Also, he said that, of the new episodes, IDGDL and Proposition Infinity were going to be the more lewd ones. I can see how some people may say this one was a little bit sexual, what with the cleverly placed fig leaves and all, but it was no Spanish Fry. That being said, if this is what DXC calls pushing the envelope, then Proposition Infinity shouldn't be too lewd, and the rest of the season shouldn't be horrible for the censors at all.


mArc's (or who we think is mArc) review on CGEF of this episode amused me, and sums up my sentiments pretty well:
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   Sheesh. 3rd worst episode ever? I think not.

So the character relationships changed over the past 7 years. I was still thoroughly entertained.

[-mArc-] gave 5 points
I gave it a 4.
Gopher

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« Reply #113 on: 06-25-2010 20:38 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 20:45 »

Agreed; thing is, I'm not even suggesting they wanted to do some crazy offensive/obscene thing, just that there's probably been some back-and-forth between the show and the network over where they're going to draw the line. Note that both eps so far were rated TV-PG. Not TV-14, let alone TV-MA like South Park, but TV-PG. If the decision the show would be TV-PG was a network decision that the producers/writers weren't entirely happy with, then it could explain this episode a bit. It wasn't really offensive or racy or anything, but when you remember it's tv-pg, they probably were leaning pretty hard into the line with the amount of near-nudity and suggestiveness in the ep. If they're planning something more racy later, then it could also be a matter of 'stretching' the rules a bit in preparation for that. This could also explain why someone might write and push this episode while not wanting their real name attached.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #114 on: 06-25-2010 22:29 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 22:32 »

I thought it was good. I enjoyed Rebirth more, but it was still good.


As far as Leela & Fry, I think their relationship was as steady as it could be in this episode. They did not ignore the events of Rebirth. And whatever happens between Leela and Zapp is just..funny. It doesn't mean anything. We know she loves Fry!

I didn't think Leela seemed out of character. She was dehydrated, and confused, and overwhelemd. And perhaps she's just growing as a character and not as bitchy? Maybe being with Fry calms her down?

Also, weren't these both Matt Groening episodes? His are always kinda wierd...
lilkitten29

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« Reply #115 on: 06-25-2010 23:38 »

I just look at it this way: Leela had sex with Zapp in order to save the one person she truly loves (Fry).
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #116 on: 06-26-2010 03:12 »

Also, weren't these both Matt Groening episodes? His are always kinda wierd...
According to the DVD audio commentaries, it sounds like Matt Groening often tries to steer the writers' room away from juvenile and vulgar humour, such as the balls jokes in "War is the H-Word" and the poop humour in "Bender's Game" -- although David X. Cohen applauded Matt G's joke about using a potato masher for a litter box, so obviously he isn't above that kind of humour either.

I don't think that the episodes that Matt Groening is credited for are wierder than the average episode of Futurama.

My problem with this episode was that Leela and Zapp being portrayed as Adam and Even in the Garden of Eden is such an uninspired premise for an episode, I don't know why they went with it. The secret-military-and-FCC-satellites gestalt V-GINY Deathsphere that censored indecent planets by destroying them was a much more interesting premise, which unfortunately was demoted to the B-story. It's such a shame that the FCC Deathsphere idea was wasted on this episode. It should've been it's own episode, wherein it could've been capitalized upon for more and better jokes than were in this episode.
Crash_7

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« Reply #117 on: 06-26-2010 04:41 »

So, since no one else has mentioned it, I will: Star Trek: the Motion Picture features "V'Ger", the corrupted remains of (and, uh, this is a spoiler for a 1979 move, so, avert your eyes if that concerns you) a Voyager probe, is destroying planets and Earth is up next.


Thank you.  I was wondering if anyone else was going to notice that.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #118 on: 06-26-2010 05:17 »

V-Giny could have even carried another movie. It was quite obviously a parody of V'Ger - so there was scope for more nerd in-jokes and Star Trek references. There was scope for a final battle to save Earth, and there was even scope for a real statement about censorship.

Instead, they wasted the idea on what was essentially a drawn out throwaway gag. no no

Disappointing, but at least the episode featured a couple of good lines from Zapp.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #119 on: 06-26-2010 05:21 »

Whatever. I thought it was entertaining.
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