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SorynArkayn

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« Reply #120 on: 06-26-2010 05:47 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 05:48 »

It suddenly occurred to me that this episode was a Zapp Brannigan episode, like "Loves Labours Lost in Space" and "Brannigan, Begin Again". I don't know how I overlooked this until now. I'm genuinely embarassed that I didn't recognize that Zapp was the star of this episode. I should've, because it had "the Transcredible Adventures of Zapp Brannigan" parts throughout, and the episode started with Zapp being summoned by Nixon to the underground Whitehouse, and from that scene the Planet Express crew became involved.

Re-classifying this episode as starring Zapp Brannigan has forced me to reassess it entirely. As such, this episode was actually well written. Not only were the "Transcredible Adventures..." parts hilarious, but they reflected excellent characterization, as they showed that Zapp envisions himself as the hero of his own TV series. Also, Zapp's character was further developed over course of the episode because he acted like his crude self when he insisted on accompanying Leela on the mission to the Deathsphere, then he apparently changed and cared for Leela while she was trapped, and finally, after his deception was revealed, he did appear to genuinely want Leela to think better of him. So at the end, it was cleverly ironic when he couldn't go through with it, but Leela basically made him so they could get it over with and save the Earth.

I admit that I was mistaken: this wasn't the worst episode ever. However, it wasn't great either. I feel like it's a little below average by Futurama's standards, so it deserves a 6/10, instead of the 4/10 I originally rated it.

Regardless of my revised rating of this episode, I still think that the V-GINY plot was tragically wasted as the B-story for this episod, because it had the potential of being the A-story of another episode.
Gorky

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« Reply #121 on: 06-26-2010 05:55 »

I'm really not trying to be an asshole here, but didn't you read through this thread? Like, at all? I'm pretty sure we mentioned that part of the problem with this episode (granted, this problem seemed less, well, problematic upon repeat viewings) is that Zapp is expected to carry it. He's the male lead, and maybe some parts of this story didn't allow him to shine (namely, the parts of act two where he wasn't acting like his normal, caddish self), but I still think he makes most of the episode work.

That said, I think you're right about the Transcredible Exploits stuff: it's an excellent insight into the mind of Zapp Brannigan. And damn funny.
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #122 on: 06-26-2010 06:12 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 06:14 »

@Gorky
I certainly read through this thread, but because I prefer to think for myself, I don't allow my opinion to be affected by others. So when other people were arguing whether or not Zapp carried this episode well enough or not, I dismissed them because I didn't feel like that was the problem with this episode

I admit that I was too hung up on the uninspired premise of Leela & Zapp as Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden to recognize that this was a Zapp-starring episode. I still don't think it was a worthy premise for an episode. Part of the confusion was because Leela and Zapp had equal screen-time for most of the episode, because the audience never saw what Zapp was actually doing until it was finally revealed at the end. Somehow the difference between a "Leela and Zapp" episode and a "Zapp-starring" episode was significant enough that it caused me to re-evaluate my opinion of this episode, which is why I no longer consider it to be the worst episode ever.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #123 on: 06-26-2010 07:14 »

V-Giny could have even carried another movie. It was quite obviously a parody of V'Ger - so there was scope for more nerd in-jokes and Star Trek references. There was scope for a final battle to save Earth, and there was even scope for a real statement about censorship.
The inside of V'Giney was much more inspired by V'Ger's inside than the Death Star's. And the origins of V'Giney were also inspired by it. It really is sad that they went the Star Wars parody route with it in plot rather than the Star Trek. Trek always wins the nerdy funny vote.


And the starring Zapp Brannigan was established in the first scene. You know, when his dream started. Hey! For all we know, this whole episode was just a dream!
bend_her

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« Reply #124 on: 06-26-2010 09:16 »

Tedward: Censor Ship? big grin

Hey! For all we know, this whole episode was just a dream!
Exactry. That would make the out-of-character Leela seem more believable. If it's Zapp's dream, then why wouldn't she want to sleep with him? On the other hand, why would she take that long to snu-snu him? Wouldn't she just drop her pants in the second scene and just go at him? Or is Zapp really so insecure that even in his dreams, the only way he can get Leela to sleep with him is to trick her?

i_c_weiner

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« Reply #125 on: 06-26-2010 10:00 »

Perhaps Carolyn Premish are more of geniuses than we give them credit?
Gorky

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« Reply #126 on: 06-26-2010 14:19 »

Somehow the difference between a "Leela and Zapp" episode and a "Zapp-starring" episode was significant enough that it caused me to re-evaluate my opinion of this episode, which is why I no longer consider it to be the worst episode ever.

Hey, man, whatever works for you. There's nothing wrong with being a free-thinker, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I was just worried that all our bickering about Zapp's ability to carry an episode was in vain; I need people to pay attention to me, or else I feel mighty neglected. smile
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #127 on: 06-26-2010 19:45 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 21:16 »

I was just worried that all our bickering about Zapp's ability to carry an episode was in vain
Zapp can carry an episode, if it's conceived and written well. "Brannigan, Begin Again" was certainly a Zapp episode, and it's one of my favourites.

This episode was a mixed bag IMO. The "Transcredible Exploits..." were great; well written and very funny. Some of Zapp's one-liners were also funny ("Mr. President, what the hell?" "Nudery" "Stealth technology makes the ship impossible to locate yet easy to stub your crotch on.") But many of the throwaway jokes fell flat; many of the sex jokes went for vulgar and shock laughes instead of genuine humour; and a lot of the story felt contrived -- as if they wrote backward from the ending (like a mystery story).

I'm surprised that the majority of people here rated this episode as a 7/10, which would classify it as "good". There have been a lot of "good" episodes of Futurama that deserved that score, but I don't think that this episode is worthy of them.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #128 on: 06-26-2010 20:11 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 20:12 »

I think some people are just so excited that Futurama is back that they are more forgiving of some of the flaws.

...just like some people were so hyped up over Futurama being back that they are nitpicking every single flaw.

Average it all out and you come out with a decent episode--good for some laughs, but nothing to write home about when it comes to story/characters.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #129 on: 06-26-2010 21:14 »

This is a weird episode. I don't mean the subject matter, or the jokes, or characterization. I mostly mean the editing and focusing of the plots. As many stated, the first half sets up what seems to be a very interesting idea for a plot about censorship and the Earth battling against it (represented by V-GINY), yet it never gets that off the ground. It's almost a trick, with the writers making it an A-plot, then switching it around so fast to the Garden of Eden portion that you barely remember a few minutes later that it's the same episode at all. Yet, I actually like it.

On a second viewing, the disappoint of not focusing on V-GINY disappears to be replaced by seeing him as a funny, plot-producing, plot-ending minor character. His purpose is almost exclusively to excuse Leela and Zapp to have a Garden of Eden adventure, and he succeeds at it.

The Garden of Eden portion itself is handled quite well. It's interesting to see Zapp fake being a Gentleman and Leela being surprised by how much she now enjoys his company since she became reliant to him. It's even better once "The Zapper" returns, when Leela catches on to his tricks. Zapp and Leela's interactions have always been funny, but they've also always been a bit shallow since we always saw them through sitcom dialogue. Getting to be more in-depth with the characters in this situation of Zapp's partial devise allowed us to see portions of them we wouldn't get in their traditional interactions. It's probably the most Zapp and Leela have honestly interacted since their first meeting and it's really very good.

This is when I shall mention that other plot, the one with the death-sphere and the delivery ship crew attempting to persuade it not to destroy their home planet. This portion is kind-of a success. The way I see it, the entire episode is really the Garden of Eden portion, and everything else is either set-up or load-bearing to it. As such, the entire B-plot is actually just setting up to the final exchanges at the end of the episode. The only reason we see V-GINY and the rest of the crew at the end is so Leela is forced to have sex and forcibly has sex with a now uncomfortable Zapp, while they all (especially Fry) look on in disgust. Thus, the only negative I can apply to it is that the portion when they protest should have been removed for not helping move along/set-up the Garden of Eden plot. I mean, it does kind-of help by showing the crew that they won't be able to convince Earthicans to play nice, but it feels like a stopper to the action and could have been accomplished by somebody saying in the P.E. building that they shouldn't even bother trying to convince anyone, since Earthicans love their filthy freedom to be filthy.

Overall, I think this episode is probably the most "snack-like" episode the series has produced thus far. It's not really here for anything (even its not really focused on censor message). This episode aims to do nothing more than give us a complete comic plot to have Zapp and Leela stuck together, with Leela reliant on Zapp, and their interactions from that. It succeeds in making this entertaining and informative on the characters relationship with each other, especially Zapp's feelings toward Leela. I like it.
FuturamaFreak88

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« Reply #130 on: 06-26-2010 21:22 »

I'm not okay, with Leela sleeping with Zap at the end.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #131 on: 06-26-2010 21:44 »

I'll delay casting my vote until I've seen another episode or three of this season.  I did like that it was Zapp-centric, however.  To me it was amusing how they worked out that Zapp had his way in the end (no pun) without Leela feeling totally used.  I'm not going to get too critical on the whole 'ship.

The V'ger reference was interesting but I had to dust off some old memories to make that connection.  It was a classic bit of sci-fi to spoof but lacked freshness.  (Although I really appreciated the Blade Runner line in Rebirth.)

Shrapnel-vision - gotta get it!
SweetZombieJesus

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« Reply #132 on: 06-27-2010 12:12 »

As a BIG lover of Zapp I found this episode to be rather boring and unlike any other episode that was Zapp-heavy. I agree with others that Zapp can easily carry an episode but it did not happen this time around. It was a good thing there were other characters to focus on and to help carry the load or else this would have taken the episode from average to quite poor.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #133 on: 06-27-2010 19:48 »

Not a goof, but we know Leela loves inflicting pain on others.  She probably enjoyed her sexual romp with Zapp because she had just beaten the holy hell out of him minutes earlier and was probably aroused by it.  She loves Fry too much to subject him to such a beating, so she satified her sexual hunger on the beaten and humilated Zapp. Then went home and deloused herself as she did her laundry.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #134 on: 06-27-2010 20:35 »
« Last Edit on: 06-27-2010 20:36 »

Not a goof, but we know Leela loves inflicting pain on others.  She probably enjoyed her sexual romp with Zapp because she had just beaten the holy hell out of him minutes earlier and was probably aroused by it.  She loves Fry too much to subject him to such a beating, so she satified her sexual hunger on the beaten and humilated Zapp.

 confused I...categorically disagree with the above. I don't see Leela as a sadist. She's just good at fighting, probably because she's always had to defend herself because she's a mutant. I think she's tender-hearted and prefers not to be forceful. As I see it, the only reason she did the deed with Zapp at the end was because the entire planet would have been destroyed if she hadn't. The writers made the situation more-or-less okay because Zapp was suddenly squeamish about "the deed" while Leela was businesslike. And because Fry freaked out about it at the end. And while I felt sorry for the poor guy, I kinda dug it. The producers of Futurama have said that the Fry/Leela romance isn't going to be smooth going. I was a little bit doubtful about that, because bickering and arguing can kill even a fictional romance (because viewers get tired of it and the charm can be lost). At least in this instance, the difficulty arose because of forces outside of Fry's and Leela's control - not from bickering or ridiculous "Three's Company"-style misunderstandings. I'll take this creative approach any day. And while I really can't much stand Zapp, he was actually pretty bearable in this episode because FOR ONCE he got what he deserved. In past episodes, he's actually killed people because of his stupidity but never got any comeuppance. Leela provided the comeuppance in this episode and thus made it pretty satisfying. Anyway, that's how I see it.
bankrupt

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« Reply #135 on: 06-27-2010 21:28 »

I liked the first episode better, but this one had plenty of good moments.  Especially the little black & white Zapp cartoons at the beginning of each act.  In fact, I'm going to record the replay of this episode on my computer so I can grab his "I wax my rocket everyday!" line and use it as a notifier on my phone.  Good stuff!

Did anyone happen to time out the length of the new episodes.  Comedy Central loves the commercials, so I wonder if they are shorter than back when the show was on FOX.  If so, hopefully the writers have adapted to having to write more compact story lines.  All the episodes are probably in the can by now, so we'll see how that goes.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #136 on: 06-27-2010 21:51 »
« Last Edit on: 06-27-2010 21:52 »

And while I really can't much stand Zapp, he was actually pretty bearable in this episode because FOR ONCE he got what he deserved. In past episodes, he's actually killed people because of his stupidity but never got any comeuppance. Leela provided the comeuppance in this episode and thus made it pretty satisfying. Anyway, that's how I see it.

Oh yeah, having sex with a beautiful woman -the woman that he's been chasing since he met her. That's QUITE the comeuppance.

Did anyone happen to time out the length of the new episodes.  Comedy Central loves the commercials, so I wonder if they are shorter than back when the show was on FOX.  If so, hopefully the writers have adapted to having to write more compact story lines.  All the episodes are probably in the can by now, so we'll see how that goes.

Both episodes clocked in at 21:41, I don't know what the old running time was.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #137 on: 06-27-2010 22:30 »

I'm going to record the replay of this episode on my computer so I can grab his "I wax my rocket everyday!" line and use it as a notifier on my phone. 

I thought about doing that and using it as my Windows startup noise. Ultimately, I couldn't be arsed.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #138 on: 06-27-2010 22:37 »

Quote
I...categorically disagree with the above. I don't see Leela as a sadist. She's just good at fighting, probably because she's always had to defend herself because she's a mutant.

In Bender's Game, she stated that she was enjoying the schock collar zapping her because she associated it with kicking other people's asses.  After she beat Mom's idiot sons, she had a major orgasm after the collar went off.

So yes, in a way, she is a sadist.  Just not to the people she cares about.

And she did equate "doing the deed" as trivial as doing her laundry.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #139 on: 06-27-2010 22:40 »

Quote
I...categorically disagree with the above. I don't see Leela as a sadist. She's just good at fighting, probably because she's always had to defend herself because she's a mutant.

In Bender's Game, she stated that she was enjoying the schock collar zapping her because she associated it with kicking other people's asses.  After she beat Mom's idiot sons, she had a major orgasm after the collar went off.


That's not sadism. That's masochism. Sadism is the enjoyment of inflicting pain on others. Masochism is the enjoyment of pain being inflicted on onesself.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #140 on: 06-28-2010 00:53 »

Quote
I...categorically disagree with the above. I don't see Leela as a sadist. She's just good at fighting, probably because she's always had to defend herself because she's a mutant.

In Bender's Game, she stated that she was enjoying the schock collar zapping her because she associated it with kicking other people's asses.  After she beat Mom's idiot sons, she had a major orgasm after the collar went off.


That's not sadism. That's masochism. Sadism is the enjoyment of inflicting pain on others. Masochism is the enjoyment of pain being inflicted on onesself.

Correct, so logically, she must be a woman with poorly-hidden S&M inclinations.

However, as a green-blooded male, I can state that if a woman casually stated that she was doing her laundry after having sex with me, I'd feel that was a sadistic comment.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #141 on: 06-28-2010 01:32 »

No, she'd have poorly-hidden M inclinations. No S. And your second comment isn't sadistic whatsoever, it's indifferent or apathetic.
speedracer
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« Reply #142 on: 06-28-2010 02:36 »

And while I really can't much stand Zapp, he was actually pretty bearable in this episode because FOR ONCE he got what he deserved. In past episodes, he's actually killed people because of his stupidity but never got any comeuppance. Leela provided the comeuppance in this episode and thus made it pretty satisfying. Anyway, that's how I see it.

Oh yeah, having sex with a beautiful woman -the woman that he's been chasing since he met her. That's QUITE the comeuppance.

Did anyone happen to time out the length of the new episodes.  Comedy Central loves the commercials, so I wonder if they are shorter than back when the show was on FOX.  If so, hopefully the writers have adapted to having to write more compact story lines.  All the episodes are probably in the can by now, so we'll see how that goes.

Both episodes clocked in at 21:41, I don't know what the old running time was.

Old eps are around 22:35 from the opening to the end of the credits.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #143 on: 06-28-2010 05:25 »
« Last Edit on: 06-28-2010 05:28 »

And while I really can't much stand Zapp, he was actually pretty bearable in this episode because FOR ONCE he got what he deserved. In past episodes, he's actually killed people because of his stupidity but never got any comeuppance. Leela provided the comeuppance in this episode and thus made it pretty satisfying. Anyway, that's how I see it.

Oh yeah, having sex with a beautiful woman -the woman that he's been chasing since he met her. That's QUITE the comeuppance.

She beat the crap out of him first, and he wasn't all that thrilled about the sex, remember? That's about as close to a comeuppance Zapp has ever gotten during the series' run. If he hadn't gotten the beating, and if Leela had been the reluctant partner, I'd be pretty pissed about the Zapp/Leela "consummation". As it was, I'm pretty much okay with it. Although I hope it never happens again...
koldstare64
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« Reply #144 on: 06-28-2010 08:34 »

When the Professor looks into the telescope, sees V-GINY, and says, "I don't like the looks of this V-GINY," I wonder if the writers ever thought to use the Smell-o-scope there instead; just imagine the Professor saying, "I don't like the smell of this V-GINY."
Bowser Jr

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« Reply #145 on: 06-28-2010 12:19 »

I think this was the weaker of the two episodes, but I'm not a huge Zapp Brannigan fan.  He did make me laugh  though when he was confessing everything he did to Leela.  I especially enjoyed the "EEeeee... that one I'm kind of proud of."  I was actually really kind of surprised in the end it didn't turn out that he was behind the V-Giny as well. 

Probably one of the best Zapp episodes for sure, especially the dream sequences.  Funny as they were they didn't surprise me at all XD
futz
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« Reply #146 on: 06-28-2010 16:59 »
« Last Edit on: 06-28-2010 17:03 »

Ponders why V-GINY had a male voice...?...

Also ponders what V-GINY does after Zapp & Leela are done and everyone goes home.
Is it always going to be there over Earth?
Svip

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« Reply #147 on: 06-28-2010 17:31 »

Ponders why V-GINY had a male voice...?...

Is joke.
Gorky

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« Reply #148 on: 06-28-2010 17:35 »

Also ponders what V-GINY does after Zapp & Leela are done and everyone goes home.
Is it always going to be there over Earth?

It left Earth at the end of the episode. I figure V-GINY was satisfied to see Adam and Eve consummate their union; it gave it hope for Earth yet. My guess is we never see that particular character again; much like Yivo, he does his damage, serves his purpose, then leaves everyone alone.
futz
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« Reply #149 on: 06-28-2010 21:18 »

It might have fulfilled it's mission by arriving at Earth and the planets it destroyed were annoyances in it's path. Like the people in those little stands in the supermarket trying to get you sample their microwavable organic turnip treats when you just went there to get Pop-Tarts. V-GINY maybe destined for orbiting car dealer promotions, etc.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #150 on: 06-28-2010 21:50 »

When the Professor looks into the telescope, sees V-GINY, and says, "I don't like the looks of this V-GINY," I wonder if the writers ever thought to use the Smell-o-scope there instead; just imagine the Professor saying, "I don't like the smell of this V-GINY."

Hahaha. I sense that it would have possibly been a tad too close to some kind of line for the network.
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #151 on: 06-28-2010 23:26 »

It would have also been a little bit brash and probably not as funny.

Though I'm just saying that as someone who finds the original line funny.
Zilex

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« Reply #152 on: 06-29-2010 01:38 »

It certainly wasn't terrible, but this has definitely become my least favorite episode of the series.
EvilChicken

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« Reply #153 on: 06-29-2010 02:56 »

Bit random but I loved this part!  laff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUeZGcS9Ugw
Bowser Jr

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« Reply #154 on: 06-29-2010 03:53 »

lol I know, I always hate it on those shows when they can zoom in on a name tag or something and get the person's name clear as day.  But who knows? Maybe someday we'll get there.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #155 on: 06-29-2010 04:52 »

Bit random but I loved this part!  laff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUeZGcS9Ugw
I find it amazing that that video's up to 40k views in 5 days. Although I may be quaint...
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #156 on: 06-29-2010 15:57 »

Old eps are around 22:35 from the opening to the end of the credits.
I watched some season 3 episodes last night and they all clocked in at 21:41 too. Looks like Futurama hasn't lost any running time which makes me feel so much less aprehensive about the rest of the new season.
Gorky

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« Reply #157 on: 06-29-2010 16:15 »

Neither new episode felt rushed to me (after the longer run-time of the movies, though, I suppose these episodes might seem a bit compressed by comparison). "Rebirth" had a lot to accomplish, so maybe that's why it didn't seem long enough; "In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela", though, clipped along at the same pace as any episode you might pluck at random from the original 72.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #158 on: 06-29-2010 21:44 »

If the new episodes feel short or rushed, it's because nobody is truly familiar with them yet. All the old episode's have been seen time and time again, so you know exactly when jokes and plot points are going to pop up, when the act break is, and so forth. The familiarity makes the episode feel longer, since you can replay the thing in your head while you're watching it, making it feel longer to end, since you're always steps ahead of it. This feeling is not in the new episodes, since you don't have the same "landmarks" that you do for the old episodes, thus making them appear to whiz by. Believe me, as you become more familiar with the new episodes, they'll end up feeling the same length as the old ones. My second times watching Rebirth and IAGDL definitely felt like they were going at a more manageable pace than my first times.
speedracer
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« Reply #159 on: 06-30-2010 00:45 »
« Last Edit on: 06-30-2010 00:47 »

Old eps are around 22:35 from the opening to the end of the credits.
I watched some season 3 episodes last night and they all clocked in at 21:41 too. Looks like Futurama hasn't lost any running time which makes me feel so much less aprehensive about the rest of the new season.

I was looking at files that I ripped directly from the DVDs.  Were you watching on CC?  Do they cut scenes from old episodes?
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