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Seymour_My_Hero

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« Reply #80 on: 06-25-2010 05:03 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 17:15 »

I must admit: I was critical of the episode during the 1st viewing, but watching it again tonight, I loved it even more! big grin

Edit: Because I didn't do it earlier....TOTP!!!!
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #81 on: 06-25-2010 05:14 »

I must admit: I was laudatory of the episode during the 1st viewing, but watching it again tonight, I wasn't as thrilled for it. It's like The Sting: fantastic on first viewing, but second viewing isn't as great. I did get to enjoy Bender throughout though!

It's still high ranking and I stick to my 8/10 rating.
stocker08

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« Reply #82 on: 06-25-2010 05:14 »

[Nutshell]Rebirth was funny, very enjoyable and most of you whinge too much[/Nutshell]

I thought it was pretty funny.  They tied up the "loose ends" and still provided a quality episode.  

"Stem cells, arent those controversial?"

"Maybe in your time, but in these days shut up!"
FishyJoe

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« Reply #83 on: 06-25-2010 05:17 »

I came here to analyze the episode...but I just don't have the energy. All I can say is that I am so glad to have my TV friends back on the air.

The humor level was similar to the DVD movies--could have been funnier, but there were enough lol's to keep me going. The good news is that the 22 minute format works way better than the movies which dragged a bit.

I am surprised that people are hating on it. I know I shouldn't be, since this is the internet and all, but I am. I was very satisfied by these two episodes.
Gorky

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« Reply #84 on: 06-25-2010 05:18 »

I definitely enjoyed this episode a lot more the second time around (and I enjoyed it quite a bit on the first viewing, so that says a lot). I'll do this list-style, because it's the only way my mind can function at this point (and I apologize for repeating myself a little bit)...

-It makes sense, plot-wise, that the crew is rebirthed so early on in the episode, but I do wish there had been a bit more of an explanation behind how exactly Farnsworth's machine works. And, for that matter, I wish we'd had some sort of explanation--even if it was a screw-you sort of audience write-off--for how Leela suddenly comes to during her funeral and how the stem cell stew manages to rebirth Fry at the end of the episode. I'm reminded of what the writers said in the commentary to "The Sting"--that Farnsworth's explanation for Fry's DNA and brainwaves being imprinted on the couch was passable, but you'd generally expect more of Futurama. That death is treated so flippantly in this episode kind of lessens the impact of something like "The Sting", where death and guilt and their implications make for a very rich story. "Rebirth" kind of threw death the middle finger for no real reason.

-I heard this mentioned in a less-than-favorable review of "Rebirth", but at times the music overpowers the story and steps on the dialogue. And the score seemed particularly dramatic in this episode--maybe bordering on melodrama. Oh, and I miss the orchestra, but that's nothing new.

-I just noticed this tonight, but I loved that after Hermes said he was going to take a shower, you saw him taking a shower on the screen that's monitoring the bathrooms of Planet Express. Nice background detail.

-There have been complaints that the story is kind of fan-fiction-y, so for my part I'll say that the only part that struck me as a bit iffy was Leela building a robot Fry because she was so distraught over his death. It's something that's feasible, sure--especially when you think about an episode like "The Sting"--but, again, maybe a bit melodramatic.

-I'll say it again: the scene where Fry is looking forlornly out the window, discussing his feelings for Leela--and Leela's discovery of him, and that moment they share--is all kinds of sweet. And, okay, maybe a wee bit fan-fiction-y. But in a good way.

-I love Billy West's quasi-drunken reading of "I sure do love Leela", and the very notion that Fry talks about himself in bathroom is so funny.

-"I love Leela--any Leela." So funny, cute, and true.

-Like others, I had less of a problem with the pacing of the episode this time around. The third act seems slightly rushed: Leela storms out of the lounge, talking about things being too freaky--and then you immediately have Fry's Contemplative Window Moment. A bit of a pause between the two scenes--a scene with a bit more filler--might have made the whole thing seem less abrupt, but whatever. It still works for me.

-I didn't see the twist coming. And, while I still feel like it somewhat negates all the emotions I had during the episode (side-note: "People are trying to have emotions!" was another big laugh for me)--all the sympathy I felt for Fry--it is genuinely surprising and makes sense in the context of Fry sacrificing himself to save Leela.

-On that note: This episode reminded me--not necessarily unflatteringly, but certainly not subtly--of "The Sting" and "I Dated a Robot." I would've liked some sort of nod to those two episodes, a wink-wink, nudge-nudge--some acknowledgement on the writers' part that, hey, maybe they're recycling some ideas--but it's fine that we didn't get one. The similarities weren't so much so that they distracted from my enjoyment of the episode.

That's all for now; I'm sure I'll have more later, when all y'all post your reactions and such.

9/10
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #85 on: 06-25-2010 05:22 »

Having seen it twice allowed me to sit back and enjoy it a little. And, by enjoy it, I mean analyze it to notice things I didn't before. You know, like when you watched Bender's Big Score or Fight Club the second time. And I get it! [/Amy] Third viewing's when I'll be able to just sit back and watch it.
leelaholic

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« Reply #86 on: 06-25-2010 05:58 »

As much as I liked the movies, it was great to see the series back in episodic format. As I expected, this was a very expositional episode, but I'm sure we'll get back to classic Futurama-style antics soon enough. I can't wait to see what the crew has in store for us this season! 4.5/5

Yeah, that's my review. Just thought I'd make an unremarkable return to this site to tell you all.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #87 on: 06-25-2010 05:59 »

Well, I thought this ep was pretty good. Pretty funny, the Fry/Leela stuff was touching, and the little twist at the end was awesome. I'd give it a 10/10.
wowbagger

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« Reply #88 on: 06-25-2010 06:07 »

I REALLY liked this episode! I found it really kicked it up a notch (bam) over the movies. It had numerous 'laugh out loud' moments, which I haven't done very often during Futurama in I can't even remember how long!

I gave it a 9/10: it only lost a point because of the disjointed story, but as a return episode, I understand why they were reintroducing some themes and wrapping up where the movie left off.

Keep up the good work crew, I can see you put a lot of effort into making the first episode back a cracker!
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #89 on: 06-25-2010 06:49 »

It's like The Sting: fantastic on first viewing, but second viewing isn't as great.
I've enjoyed The Sting far more on repeat viewings. At first I was thrown that they used the tired old "Then they wake up and it's all a dream" ending that they teach you not to use in primary (elementary for you Americans) school. On repeat viewings you can appreciate how Fry's dialogue works on two levels, it's a lot more enjoyable for me that way.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #90 on: 06-25-2010 08:28 »

7/10

For the most part it was good. It felt like it was shorter than an average episode, but that could be due to the fact that it had to recap previous events, show Hypnotoad during the introduction, and most of us have already watched it (I didn't, but I watched the first four minutes prior to viewing). Some parts felt like they were slowed down to waste time, notably the few shots of the ships crashing right next to Planet Express. As a shipper, Fry took too long shielding Leela from the impending crash. It wasn't like Fry had to give it some thought, all blame rests on the crew behind the animation and storyboarding.

I was quite glad that the "sci-fi twist" wasn't a disaster like Lars. It was good for an episode and for comedy.

I laughed quite a bit at the last surprise birth of the birthing device, but when I first watched it I thought it was Al Gore slipping out for his fourth guest starring appearance (though I really should've known that it wouldn've been for that episode). But, knowing that it was Zapp is better- that doesn't leave a plothole.

Just one last comment... wtf did Fry give that final little romantic speech at the end about waiting for a thousand years? It was the best line of the Fry and Leela romance that the writing staff stole from "Bender's Big Score" for good reason, but upon hearing that line again I don't understand what Fry is referring to in that episode or why he is even saying that now. It came out sounding like he was "saving himself" sexually. Lame. Maybe I just need to re-watch the episode a few more times- I thought I understood it the first time I watched it full-way through.

P.S.: I was not unloyal like the rest of you so called "superfans" or "parrotheads" and downloaded the episode early from the internet. I waited for its premiere just a few days away. Worth it to not be spoiled for the lovely robotic twist.

Actually, I had no clue how to work torrents, so I really had no choice. I know it leaked on YouTube yesterday, but by that point I was convinced that I was to wait for the actual televised premiere to first view it. It was worth the wait considering the quality of the YouTube video, but next week I don't know if I'll have the patience.
bend_her

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« Reply #91 on: 06-25-2010 08:40 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 08:46 »

Methinks the Fry line was to leave the door open for more "will they, won't they?" antics in the weeks to come.

Stand-out moments:
* Fry's line about using the urinal and talking loudly about himself was a howler for me.
* The Comedy Central Channel (even though I heard it before)
* The fact that Hermes is so pleased with himself and his surveillance tapes
* The shippy!!!!111one

Things that I wished were resolved:
* What happened to Kif after he was re-birthed?
* The time for which the cyclops monster basically hung out in the PE hangar, waiting for his cue

Overall, I found the episode funny, and the twist ending made it a memorable one.

And Gorky, how could you say the episode resembles fan fiction? We don't get to hear their most intimate and private thoughts without any dialogue being exchanged!
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #92 on: 06-25-2010 08:48 »

* Fry's line about using the urinal and talking loudly about himself was a howler for me.
I loved that it was a recall to the videotape of him at the urinal a few minutes earlier. Well executed!

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* What happened to Kif after he was re-birthed?
Same thing that probably happened to LaBarbara: they went home.

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* The time for which the cyclops monster basically hung out in the PE hangar, waiting for his cue
Let us not forget Pazuzu being able to do the inverse in TMLH.
AlexM

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« Reply #93 on: 06-25-2010 11:39 »

I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned or not, as I haven't read every post...but there is quite a big continuity error.  

Seemed like quite a thing to miss, I only watched the episode twice, and spotted it, in the editing room, they must have watched it dozens of times.  It's only for one shot, and then its gone in the next...still, I've never seen anything like this is an episode of Futurama before......
You can see it at 19:02 on the episode,
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i_c_weiner

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« Reply #94 on: 06-25-2010 11:44 »

Yeah, and Bender has two eyes when he's supposed to have one. It's just a minor goof, nothing intentional.
Aki

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« Reply #95 on: 06-25-2010 13:02 »

One thing I loved from the episode: When the PE computer is compiling Leela's personality, it mentions "Shoe Size: 12." A nice, inconspicuous 'Leela's huge feet' joke.
A truly impossible joke for non-Americans who have a totally different system. I wouldn't notice if they had said 30, just like I don't know if the regular human is 2 or 15 inches. frown Get with the metric system! frown
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #96 on: 06-25-2010 13:10 »

9/10

My scale:

10/10 - The Sting, Roswell, Xmas Story

1/10 The Cryonic Woman, That's Lobstertainment
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #97 on: 06-25-2010 13:31 »

Shoe size 12 in the UK is massive. Very few people have that.

I don't know those sizes in US or wherever. Bah!
Aki

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« Reply #98 on: 06-25-2010 13:33 »

Shoe size 12 in the UK is massive. Very few people have that.

I don't know those sizes in US or wherever. Bah!
I don't know how many other countries use our system, but here in Sweden 12 is _really_ small; I have 43 tongue
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #99 on: 06-25-2010 13:50 »

Haha, In european sizes, I'm a 39, which is a UK 6/7

So there's an idea of how big it is :P
Aki

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« Reply #100 on: 06-25-2010 13:51 »

Oh my. So could any US citizen perhaps step in and declare the difference? ^^
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #101 on: 06-25-2010 13:55 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 13:56 »

A Size 12 regular women's shoe is around 44.5 European. However, given it's Leela, they could be saying Size 12 men's, which could be 46 Euro, or it could be Size 12 men's athletic, which could be 47 Euro!
wu_konguk

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« Reply #102 on: 06-25-2010 13:59 »

I will have to rewatch the episodes when I get home but for the most part I enjoyed the episodes.

They were Perhaps not up to the heights of the great episodes of the past but they certainly were not close to the lows of Cryogenic woman or That's Lobestertainment. It is eairly days however and once the writters can get back into the grove I am hopeful that we may see some of the greatness return.

Also given time they may get back to being able to deal with a 20 min episode instead of a movie. It did feel like to me that certain parts of the episodes could of with abit more time instead of feeling rushed, although the pacing was still better that the movies.

I liked the tiwst at the end and just loved Zapp sliding out right at the end of the episode.

@Nutmeg

I believe that UK 12 is US 13. at least that is what it says on the inside of my shoe and yes they are a pain to find in shops, although a lot less than it used to be. Now getting hold of gloves that fit over sized hads now there is a quest.
seattlejohn01

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« Reply #103 on: 06-25-2010 14:26 »

Like others, I watched this episode twice last night.  I enjoyed it the first time around, and enjoyed it more the second time.  I thought it was a really good 1st episode back.
Gorky

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« Reply #104 on: 06-25-2010 14:56 »

And Gorky, how could you say the episode resembles fan fiction? We don't get to hear their most intimate and private thoughts without any dialogue being exchanged!

I'm borrowing Maz's phrasing.

I think that, on occasion the mushier, more dramatic stuff in Futurama comes off as an attempt at fan fiction, particularly when it's coming from Leela. I think it's a result of her emotions for Fry always remaining so nebulously fond but rarely addressed; sometimes, I kind of have to step back and remind myself that, hey, the writers are finally acknowledging something about Leela's feelings--it's not just some hopeful fan going over her actions with a fine-toothed, love-seeking comb.

That said: I really loved all the shippy moments in this episode. I can just understand the comparisons to fan-fic, because it is by its nature a bit more blatantly emotional and shippy. I think the writers pulled "Rebirth" off with much more depth than your run-of-the-mill shippy fan-made story--again, I'm just saying that the comparison doesn't exactly surprise me.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #105 on: 06-25-2010 16:29 »

It's like The Sting: fantastic on first viewing, but second viewing isn't as great.
I've enjoyed The Sting far more on repeat viewings. At first I was thrown that they used the tired old "Then they wake up and it's all a dream" ending that they teach you not to use in primary (elementary for you Americans) school. On repeat viewings you can appreciate how Fry's dialogue works on two levels, it's a lot more enjoyable for me that way.

I love The Sting. I think it's brilliant and holds up well on multiple viewings.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #106 on: 06-25-2010 17:14 »

Let us not forget Pazuzu being able to do the inverse in TMLH.
If they'd just given us a shot of the Cyclophage climbing down from the ship like we got of Pazuzu folding out from under its wing, I'd have been happy. It's lack of shots like that that made the pacing feel off for me actually.
Plus Pazuzu is intelligent and capable of waiting for a cue to win his freedom. It doesn't really make sense that the Cyclophage would wait around like it did.
Still, it's only a minor gripe with the episode, it hardly stopped my enjoyment of it.
Tedward

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« Reply #107 on: 06-25-2010 17:26 »

That death is treated so flippantly in this episode kind of lessens the impact of something like "The Sting", where death and guilt and their implications make for a very rich story. "Rebirth" kind of threw death the middle finger for no real reason.

Yeah, I agree that the plot demanded that the crew be reborn early and that's all right, but after months of hoping that the "deaths" would mean something beyond a show-returning metaphor (and suspecting that they would most likely be no more than that), I am a bit put off. I could have found some consolation in the absense of the heads talking on the rack (as I had feared might be the case a while back), but even that was shattered (but quickly so) by Zapp's line. Sigh...what a wondrous future they live in.  hmpf

This episode reminded me--not necessarily unflatteringly, but certainly not subtly--of "The Sting" and "I Dated a Robot." I would've liked some sort of nod to those two episodes, a wink-wink, nudge-nudge--some acknowledgement on the writers' part that, hey, maybe they're recycling some ideas--but it's fine that we didn't get one. The similarities weren't so much so that they distracted from my enjoyment of the episode.

I did cringe a little bit at the announcement that Leela was in a coma, both because of the blunt recycling of a treasured plot point and the blunt delivery itself; it reminded me of Fry's trademark quick proclamations of death, but this was the Professor, who was in a bit of overdrive with his mastery of the exposition and triumphant recreation anyway. Also, why was he asking Zoidberg to call the time of death already? I know people have differing opinions on the quality-of-life issue, but if Leela was in a coma before and given care I'd think she'd not be abandoned so quickly now.
Gorky

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« Reply #108 on: 06-25-2010 17:26 »

It doesn't really make sense that the Cyclophage would wait around like it did.

Maybe it wasn't lying in wait so much as it took it a long time to find the PE crew again. I mean, maybe it got lost somewhere between the hangar and the attic-y part of Planet Express. I'm sure it wasn't provided with a map. tongue

About "The Sting" and "Rebirth" holding up after multiple viewings: I agree completely. I mean, you never get quite the same impact from the Big Twist the second time around, but knowing how the episode ends allows you to view it more analytically, appreciate the foreshadowing that the writers are kind and clever enough to provide us with. For example, I love Leela's line about building a copy of Fry. I also like that we learn, when Nibbler bites Leela's arm, that the robots themselves are not aware that they're robots until it's called to their attention--flash-forward about fifteen minutes, and Robo-Fry doesn't realize he's a robot until he shoots himself between the lungs and sees all those gears.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #109 on: 06-25-2010 19:11 »

The new season opener came off to a great start for the new season!  I liked the rebirth machine, Bender having to party with a doomsday device inside him.  Looked like the one from BBS.  The best part was the cyclops-eating monster while they were at Leela's 'funeral' and Bender's doing cartwheels and handsprings into the ship. 

I liked the twist in it where at first it said Leela died and Fry survived, and then as it turned out it was the other way around.  The Robot Fry and Robot Leela falling in love was hilarious!  Awesome episode!   Great way to start the season!  5/5. 
Aki

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« Reply #110 on: 06-25-2010 19:13 »

The new season opener came off to a great start for the new season!  I liked the rebirth machine, Bender having to party with a doomsday device inside him.  Looked like the one from BBS.  The best part was the cyclops-eating monster while they were at Leela's 'funeral' and Bender's doing cartwheels and handsprings into the ship. 

I liked the twist in it where
  Awesome episode!   Great way to start the season!  5/5. 
Please, spoiler mark that.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #111 on: 06-25-2010 19:15 »

I enjoyed the ep, I liked the plot twists and there were some pretty funny moments. It sort of took the piss out of itself which was good, the build a bot thing was clool. I also liked Zapp sliding across at the end. Some jokes did fall a bit flat though, and I didn't think it was as good as the original run, but better than movie quality, so what I expected really. Anyway decent return!...
Sun-Wukong

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« Reply #112 on: 06-25-2010 20:54 »

My scale:

1/10 That's Lobstertainment

Yeasch, you're one of those people.

So, the only things that irked me:
*A few lines just fell kind of flat for me, especially Fry introducing a few of the side characters and then just saying "and all the rest!" when they poured out of the tube. Also, Leela screaming, I've seen that so many times it actually caught me off guard in a Futurama episode. "My love for you is stronger than the vast majority of explosions." felt forced, maybe if he just left it at "I'll protect you." Lastly, the robots having the Terminator voice just sucked. I liked that the robots loved each other and left it at that, but they had to ruin it.
*Katey Segal's performance was... off. Maybe I'm just being nit picky, but she's done better.
*How the hell did Stem Cells revive Bender? I can accept Kif, although he is an alien and the Stem Cells were human, at least he's organic. The Professor could have just fixed Bender in the lab, and his power supply being shot would have worked much better.
*Now, here's the only thing that really bugged me (outside of the Terminator thing). Leela just wakes up? Seriously? I'm surprised that I haven't read anyone else ask the same question, if I just missed someone then by all means let me know. Getting back though, after all of the things that happened earlier in the episode she just wakes up from Bender burping? Writer's convenience much? Christ...


There were other misc things people have mentioned, but they didn't really bother me. Namely the monster waiting so long to reappear which I can live with.

Things I did like though:
*"Coma coma coma coma coma chameleon!" was too funny for words, and the rest of Bender's stuff was good too.
*"I'm poking as hard as I can." "Then poke harder, damn it!"
*Hermes plugs in the device, "Hey, I was nuzzling that!"
*"I love you, I mean her. Wait, help me out here-" *Punch*
*After Leela's question at the club, "I agree"
*"Bender, stop shutting the hell up!"
*"Hey, where's my shoes? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was already here." Really reminded me of that scene from War is the H Word, then "Okay dork" was a lot like Bender's Big Score when Fry meets himself.
*"I'm gonna hit the urinal, maybe talk about myself a little bit-" Was mostly funny because of the delivery, Billy West really is a genius.
*Zapp coming out of the... whatever the device is called at the end.
*Plenty of other moments that were funny, but those were the best. Last but not least, I liked the twist quite a bit. Anything I'd say has already been said I'm sure, so I'll just leave it at that.
willsterdude3000

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« Reply #113 on: 06-25-2010 21:03 »

I watched this episode online today, and I really enjoyed it. Nice to see Futurama back!
leiapadme77

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« Reply #114 on: 06-25-2010 21:18 »

You guys are WAAY too picky!
I LOVED IT! big grin
Also, I'm a huge shipper..so the whole thing was quite a treat!! <3 I love seeing Fry and Leela like that. It was freaking cute. There were some good jokes too.
Something I've said a million times before:
Everytime there's new Futurama, we all freak out and overanaylze it and it seems really weird and fast paced and doesnt make sense. Then, after a while, we watch it over and over and start to really enjoy it, and realize that it's not really different from original Futurama.
I must say, I finally slept soundly after 7 years...with Fry and Leela together..sorta.
FINALLY!!
seattlejohn01

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« Reply #115 on: 06-25-2010 23:28 »

It was a really good episode.  We have another Futurama term now: Slut-clops...
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #116 on: 06-25-2010 23:39 »

It was actually quite good and refreshing seeing Fry and Leela together. I was surprised by that fact because I'd always assumed such a scenario would be boring, but actually it's not and I'd like to see them stay together for a good while (but not permanently)...
lilkitten29

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« Reply #117 on: 06-25-2010 23:42 »

Call me crazy, but I think I have to add Rebirth to my list of favorite Futurama episodes.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #118 on: 06-25-2010 23:47 »

Call me crazy, but I think I have to add Rebirth to my list of favorite Futurama episodes.
YES! It was a really good episode. I too enjoyed seeing the two of them together.
And I understand they wont be all over each other in every episode, but that's okay. I expect them to have their ups and downs, and I expect other episodes to focus on other things, with Fry & Leela's relationship in the background. I'm okay with that...
FishyJoe

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« Reply #119 on: 06-26-2010 01:05 »

So Ralph Snart doesn't post much these days, but he told me via facebook that he liked the two new episodes (so much that he watched them both twice) and feels like he will dig the new season after complaining about the dvd movies for so long. Hooray! Hopefully he will come back and post again real soon.
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