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« Reply #40 on: 06-23-2010 23:52 »

One of my favorite references in the episode:
"So she went all Blade Runner..."
Yeah, that made me lol as well. Did you see the sign when Frybot is making Leelabot that says "Add a soul: $5.99" ? I love that the little sight gags are still there.
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« Reply #41 on: 06-23-2010 23:54 »

That was hilarious too! I actually paused the episode when I saw that just to get the laugh out before going on. I'll have to rewatch this episode to see all the other gags.
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« Reply #42 on: 06-23-2010 23:57 »

I liked:

"Coma coma coma coma coma chameleon!"
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« Reply #43 on: 06-24-2010 00:01 »

The sight gags, they're awesome, aren't they, little Easter eggs on the screen as an extra chuckle for the viewer.
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« Reply #44 on: 06-24-2010 00:10 »

There wasn't anything obvious that pointed to Fry being a robot, but there were certainly clues that something wasn't right with him.  First, we're kept wondering how Fry magically survived the crash when no one else (except Farnsworth, who had a different model safety sphere) did.  Then, Fry specifically calls attention to his 'frizzy' hair and severe burns at the beginning.  He has the same hairdo in "Hell is Other Robots" when they pass through that electrical storm.  So that suggests he'd been zapped with an electrical current, and then burned, which shows that he didn't get injured under the same circumstances as everyone else.   Finally, Leela foreshadows the twist when she says that she'd probably make a copy of Fry if she ever lost him.  I thought it was a clever twist.  It put a whole new spin on the episode and was all the better because I wasn't able to ruin it by figuring it out ahead of time.
I thought that the twist that Fry was a robot was very clever, and I didn't see it coming. I didn't like the first 2 minutes of the episode; the Fry 'fro was a recycled joke and his severe burns weren't funny either; it seemed poorly written, but under re-examination I think that it was deliberately stilted to call attention to itself. When the twist was revealed, you understood why Fry was burned, and that the Fry 'fro gag was intentionally recycled to allude to him being electrocuted instead of disembodied in the crash, like the others.
I understand why it was written that way now, but it still seems stilted and uninspired. The revelation of the twist and the clues foreshadowing it are only surprising the first time; thereafter, we know what's going on, but we're stuck with this awkwardly written opening scene, which makes for an inauspicious beginning to this episode and for the return of the series.

Really, I don't have any major complaints with this episode.  It was funny, it was clever, and it didn't hit the reset button on Fry and Leela, though it might seem like it if you havent seen the second episode.  Maybe they wont be making out in every episode, but that would get old in about ten minutes.

there were only two (minor) things that were a little off.  Where did the cyclphage go?  They needed to put a two second clip in there showing it falling off the ship as it came in for a landing or something to explain why it took like a day for it to show up at Planet Express.

Secondly, why did the Leela and Fry robots look different after removing their 'skin' then they did before it was put on?
I acknowledge that those are problems, but they're relatively minor quibbles compared to my overall disappointment with this episode. Sure, it's illogical that the Cyclophage could hide from view on the PE ship, or remain undetected for so long. And yes, it doesn't make sense why Leela's robotic endoskeleton look so different and cooler looking than the one Fry created for her at Build-a-Bot earlier in the episode.

I don't want to harp on this episode too much because I'm so happy that Futurama has returned. I'll simply state the it didn't live up to my expectations. I believe that the cause of this problem was that this episode was creatively constrained by being a transitional episode.

I have high hopes that Futurama will get back on track within a few episodes, and be just as great as when it prematurely ended in Season 4.
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« Reply #45 on: 06-24-2010 00:12 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2010 00:14 »

I liked:

"Coma coma coma coma coma chameleon!"

Yes! That was a legit lawl for me.

Watching bits and pieces of this again earlier, I took notice of the scene where Fry is looking out that window all thoughtfuland dejected--and Leela sneaks up on him, and they share a moment. To me, that's very old-school, TKOS-ish Futurama. It was the most organic emotional moment in the episode, IMO. There was a lot of "I love Leela" and "We're soulmates" and stuff like that in this episode--but that moment between the two of them was what made shippy little me, well, squee. Just thought I'd mention that: I don't think the episode hit every emotional note--and times it seemed to venture into melodrama--but that moment was pretty damn sweet.
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« Reply #46 on: 06-24-2010 00:23 »

I liked Bender doing the cartwheel away from the cyclops eater thing, simple, but effective.
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« Reply #47 on: 06-24-2010 00:25 »

Being able to continually utilize his overenergeticness in the background was great. If you notice in other scenes, he's continually moving when usually he would just stand there disinterested. Even more so is that they were able to tie that B-plot back to the A-plot at the end of the episode.
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« Reply #48 on: 06-24-2010 00:26 »

Yeah, I noticed that. Even when he's making cutting remarks to Fry, he's dancing to burn off the excess energy.
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« Reply #49 on: 06-24-2010 00:48 »

not going to over-analyse these episodes as i think expectations were too high, anyway.

i genuinely enjoyed the first ep. made me lol a few times. second ep wasn't so strong but had nude leela and amy in S&M gear, so we'll call it even.

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« Reply #50 on: 06-24-2010 00:53 »

nude leela and amy in S&M gear

Need a drooling smiley? tongue

i think expectations were too high

That's possibly one reason for a few people hating these two episodes. Maybe once they've lowered their expectations, they'll start enjoying the new season. With the lowering of expectations, it might be given a chance to shine a lot more from just a small jump upwards in quality. Might even attract new fans.
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« Reply #51 on: 06-24-2010 00:55 »

Indeed, they should have like made a point about something in the story Farnsworth told originally lacked some details, that even Fry noticed or some such.  A good twist is one you could theoretically predict, but it being so obscure, that the possibilities of you guessing it, did not.  You could not do that in this case.  

Unfortunately, that did not happen.
That would have been cool, yes. However I love the foreshadowing with Leela mentioning that if Fry had died, she'd probably build a copy of him as well.
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« Reply #52 on: 06-24-2010 01:45 »

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Yeah, the pace of the story was extremely fast and disjointed. I thought the whole "Everything is perfectly resolved now" aspect was a bit cheesy, but as a transition episode it was surprisingly solid. The characterisation is still there, and there were plenty of funny jokes and gags. The twist was awesome. And there were indeed signs alluding to it, which I just completely overlooked.

All in all, good stuff. Definitely not the best Futurama has to offer, but as a first episode that needs to tie up loose ends while reintroducing everything, I think it was better than I was personally expecting.

I like how they are using the theme tune from the movies now. I was worried they'd use the old one again, which sounds a bit dated in comparison IMO.
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« Reply #53 on: 06-24-2010 03:01 »

I just finished watching it, and overall, it was pretty good!

The Good:
-I really liked the pacing of the story, it didn't seem to drag and it kept me wanting to watch
-The twist of Fry being a robot, I did not see that coming, which actually left my jaw hanging open saying "What?!"
-Sure, the title is rebirth, but I didn't expect an actual rebirth. wink The machine, in my opinion, was actually quite clever!
-Though many disagree, I really liked Bender's plot line. Sure, it could have been a little stronger, but some of his one liners just left me laughing. I missed Bender!
-Overall a good episode, I thoroughly enjoyed it, interesting plot, excellent animation, and can't wait to see episode 2!

The Bad:
-I may be alone in this, but I was getting a little annoyed with Fry by the end. Yes, he lost Leela, but I found him to be a little whiny by the end when he was asking Bender to take him out to party.
-Wasn't that dooms day machine already blown up previously?
-Some of the voice acting fell a little flat for me. The one line in particular that I noticed was Leela's line, (along the lines of) "I have to go, this is way too freaky!" Most of it was good, just a few lines here and there that didn't quite fit.

None of the bad is to say that I disliked the episode, I'm just nitpicking wink Pretty good, it can only go up from here!

7.5/10
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« Reply #54 on: 06-24-2010 03:02 »

The line "I have to go, this is way too freaky" sounded really wrong on the second delivery for me. The first was alright, but the second felt wrong. Didn't really sound that much like Leela's voice.
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« Reply #55 on: 06-24-2010 03:06 »

Speaking of things Leela said: I liked the line about taking a spin class instead of being in a coma. That was a laugh-out-loud one for me--it was so wonderfully bitchy. Although it's kind of, like, sad or coincidental or something that
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« Reply #56 on: 06-24-2010 03:09 »

Maybe they're foreshadowing the Bulemia Special, due just before Thanksgiving?
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« Reply #57 on: 06-24-2010 03:32 »

Why do people keep listing the doomsday device as something they didn't like about Rebirth? Oh, I guess it's not possible that he could have two doomsday of the same doomsday device! If you're gonna nitpick at stuff, at least nitpick at stuff that's more deserving.
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« Reply #58 on: 06-24-2010 03:34 »

Guys, I hate how all the characters only have four fingers. SOOO UNREALISTIC.
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« Reply #59 on: 06-24-2010 03:34 »
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I realize that this is a minor quibble compared to the already belaboured faults with this episode, but here it is:

The Nimbus is much too SMALL when it crashes on the Planet Express building. In "Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch", one of the Nimbus' "points" (which apparently fire lasers) swallows the entire Planet Express ship (like the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. spacecraft in the James Bond movie "You Only Live Twice"); but in "Rebirth", the Nimbus is only about four times as wide as the Planet Express building is long, which is about twice the length of the Planet Express ship. So they totally screwed up the scale of the Nimbus compared to the Planet Express ship.

And Zapp Brannigan's victory yodel was even lamer the second time, and somehow made the Nimbus crashing less funny. Forshame.
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« Reply #60 on: 06-24-2010 03:38 »

Eh, most cartoons have a sort of elasticity when it comes to set design. Take a look at Fry and Bender's apartment some time. Same goes for the PE building and ship--rooms are added all the time, things like that. To me, it's not worth worrying yourself with.

Also, if you'd like: Goofs Thread
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« Reply #61 on: 06-24-2010 03:41 »

I only noticed the victory yodel before the crash the second time I watched it, but I really have no strong feelings one way or the other, for want of a way to say it that's not quoting some ep or another.

I spent a lot more time looking at background things the second time around, though I'm sure theres a lot more watching needing to be done before I catch something obscure. However that's something they seem, so far at least, to have dropped on, the number of little jokes in the background.

Perhaps focusing on getting us back into the new season is the reason for that, and I hope we have more of them in the future eps. I love a good background joke.

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« Reply #62 on: 06-24-2010 03:42 »

I quite liked the Victory Yodel. A very Zapp touch, I felt.
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« Reply #63 on: 06-24-2010 05:18 »
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Why do people keep listing the doomsday device as something they didn't like about Rebirth? Oh, I guess it's not possible that he could have two doomsday of the same doomsday device! If you're gonna nitpick at stuff, at least nitpick at stuff that's more deserving.

If he had two, or could easily build another, why did he refuse to sell it (or build another to sell) to Hedonism Bot?
I don't think anybody is too upset about this, it's just a niggly little background detail.
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« Reply #64 on: 06-24-2010 05:35 »

Speaking of things Leela said: I liked the line about taking a spin class instead of being in a coma. That was a laugh-out-loud one for me--it was so wonderfully bitchy. Although it's kind of, like, sad or coincidental or something that

If that kind of thing continues, I probably won't stay a Futurama fan. I hate stupid jokes like that, that are aimed at a character just because it's a female. Leela doesn't look fat to me, so why does she get a fat joke aimed at her?
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« Reply #65 on: 06-24-2010 05:40 »

She is kinda flabby...
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« Reply #66 on: 06-24-2010 05:44 »

Why do people keep listing the doomsday device as something they didn't like about Rebirth? Oh, I guess it's not possible that he could have two doomsday of the same doomsday device! If you're gonna nitpick at stuff, at least nitpick at stuff that's more deserving.

If he had two, or could easily build another, why did he refuse to sell it (or build another to sell) to Hedonism Bot?

Like he said, it had sentimental value.
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« Reply #67 on: 06-24-2010 05:56 »

She is kinda flabby...

Oh come now...
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« Reply #68 on: 06-24-2010 06:08 »

They've mentioned this throughout the series.
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« Reply #69 on: 06-24-2010 06:22 »

They've mentioned this throughout the series.

I've never understood it, because Leela always struck me as very athletic, in a warrior-woman kind of way.
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« Reply #70 on: 06-24-2010 06:31 »

Speaking of things Leela said: I liked the line about taking a spin class instead of being in a coma. That was a laugh-out-loud one for me--it was so wonderfully bitchy. Although it's kind of, like, sad or coincidental or something that

If that kind of thing continues, I probably won't stay a Futurama fan. I hate stupid jokes like that, that are aimed at a character just because it's a female. Leela doesn't look fat to me, so why does she get a fat joke aimed at her?

I think you were supposed to laugh at Zapp rather than Leela. You know, his lack of tact and that he was so rude and picking up on something that isn't a problem because Leela isn't fat.
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« Reply #71 on: 06-24-2010 06:41 »

I liked Bender doing the cartwheel away from the cyclops eater thing, simple, but effective.

I like that part too. Great animation.
Oh, I also like Bender's "Coma coma coma coma coma chameleon!" too big grin
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« Reply #72 on: 06-24-2010 11:30 »

[Nutshell]Rebirth was funny, very enjoyable and most of you whinge too much[/Nutshell]
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« Reply #73 on: 06-24-2010 12:25 »

Just a broad review - generally I liked it if some of it I felt was a tad overly contrived. Some of the jokes I felt fell flat but overall the level of humour is as high as ever. Plot was...well, basically okay. I question why the Cyclophage was really there at all. A couple of other points weren't to my liking but that's basically just me.

7/10


Kinda got spoiled about the whole though unfortunately. Felt I had to open the thread because I was looking at it going "How can they possibly be reviewing the episodes? Surely it's still speculative, getting in there early, how the hell can they have seen it when it's not even 24th June yet! What are they talking about? Oh my God
the whole
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« Reply #74 on: 06-24-2010 12:28 »

[Nutshell]Rebirth was funny, very enjoyable and most of you whinge too much[/Nutshell]

Hey, I see no whinging in this thread--plenty of whining, sure, but no whinging!

I quite liked the Victory Yodel. A very Zapp touch, I felt.

I like that Kif kind of emulates it with a yodel-sigh.
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« Reply #75 on: 06-24-2010 13:14 »

I think you were supposed to laugh at Zapp rather than Leela. You know, his lack of tact and that he was so rude and picking up on something that isn't a problem because Leela isn't fat.
Yeah, and Zapp has previously shown how stupid he is about getting women, complaining on their looks even if they're way out of his league. Leela is his dream girl, and still he complains about her weight.
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« Reply #76 on: 06-24-2010 14:14 »

[Nutshell]Rebirth was funny, very enjoyable and most of you whinge too much[/Nutshell]

Thank You!
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« Reply #77 on: 06-24-2010 23:33 »

I just watched Rebirth again, and I enjoyed it A LOT more the 2nd time. The pacing didn't seem as crazy, and overall I thought it was a pretty good episode. It kept me smiling all the way through.
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« Reply #78 on: 06-25-2010 03:09 »

Loved it. O'Henry story, Leela's AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... (been there).
Boffo!
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« Reply #79 on: 06-25-2010 04:55 »

One thing I loved from the episode: When the PE computer is compiling Leela's personality, it mentions "Shoe Size: 12." A nice, inconspicuous 'Leela's huge feet' joke.
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