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Spocks Brain

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« Reply #80 on: 06-25-2010 13:06 »

I give both episodes high marks - far, far superior to the horrible DVDs (ITWGY was the best of the sorry lot) and now I have something else on Comedy Central to wait for to watch.

It is not logical to judge the series comeback on just two episodes.
Aki

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« Reply #81 on: 06-25-2010 13:14 »

The CSI Miami joke seems to play off of Zapp's referencing of Duran Duran in ITWGY. Perhaps he likes David Caruso's style.
I didn't even think of that. It would be nice if there were even more referencing to Zapp being a fan of the late 20th century pop culture big grin

I agree with those saying that Futurama is incredibly strong for a six season show.   I still don't know if it's stronger or weaker than the original run, seeing as I've only seen two episodes, but still. It is incredibly strong, and most of the jokes are actually very reminiscent of the past episodes. And again - how can you judge a season by two episodes?
Jezzem

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« Reply #82 on: 06-25-2010 16:29 »

I'm not saying that Futurama is shit now or anything as ludicrously reactionary like that.

I don't know, man. You seem to be pretty obsessed with how shit you though In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela was...

It is not logical to judge the series comeback on just two episodes.

THANK YOU!
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #83 on: 06-25-2010 16:32 »

Preview of 6ACV03:
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=314027&title=preview-e-waste-delivery
This is hilarious. To all the naysayers of new Futurama, watch this.

LOL! That was ace!
Jezzem

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« Reply #84 on: 06-25-2010 16:43 »

Wow, that seemed so awesomely like classic Futurama! I can't wait for this episode. big grin
Tedward

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« Reply #85 on: 06-25-2010 17:02 »

Hmm...to the first two episodes I give neither a victory yodel nor a victory sigh, but something in between. I will wait with subdued excitement for the next episodes.
Gopher

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« Reply #86 on: 06-25-2010 17:08 »

What bothered me about the csi joke isn't the contemporary reference; they always had those (Single Female Lawyer anyone?). What bothered me is that it felt slightly meme-ish.

Also, this is a bit redundant, we have other threads for discussing the new season so far, so mergin'.
Gorky

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« Reply #87 on: 06-25-2010 17:20 »

Thanks for the link, Weiner. It got a genuine lawl from me (the "Then don't look over there" bit, and that poor li'l dog). I don't know what to make of what we've seen of this episode so far (the video Curious Gorge posted in the spoiler/spec thread, the teaser CC aired at the end of IAGDL last night, and now this)--it looks funny, but I'm not sure how it all meshes together--but I am most definitely excited.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #88 on: 06-25-2010 17:53 »

It's a shame he didn't simply refer to CSI: New New York or something of that nature instead.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #89 on: 06-25-2010 19:17 »

Just one question.  Why are some people here doubtful that these new episodes aren't going to last? 
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #90 on: 06-25-2010 20:26 »

Thanks for the link, Weiner. It got a genuine lawl from me (the "Then don't look over there" bit, and that poor li'l dog). I don't know what to make of what we've seen of this episode so far (the video Curious Gorge posted in the spoiler/spec thread, the teaser CC aired at the end of IAGDL last night, and now this)--it looks funny, but I'm not sure how it all meshes together--but I am most definitely excited.
I think it's obvious how it meshes:
Seems like classic Futurama set-up structure to me.

Just one question.  Why are some people here doubtful that these new episodes aren't going to last? 
I don't remember anybody saying that, but I assume the feeling is because they feel the episodes aren't as good anymore.
The headless body of Agnew

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« Reply #91 on: 06-25-2010 20:27 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 21:06 by TheheadlessbodyofAgnew »

I really enjoyed both of them. Rebirth was Better than IAGDL but both were still good. I watched every episode and movie in one sitting leading up to the premier and I thought they both stacked up pretty well over all. Not my favorite episodes by any means but much better than buggalo.  Also I think we can all be in agreement that even though it is not Futurama at it's best it is worlds better than anything Seth MacFarlane pulls out of his ass
Boltzmann_Fan

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« Reply #92 on: 06-25-2010 21:42 »

It's a shame he didn't simply refer to CSI: New New York or something of that nature instead.
Joke improved 100%.

As far as these new eps go, the way I feel about them is sort of the way I felt about TBWBB - i.e. the jokes are solid and make me laugh, but there are just some bizarre things thrown in that detract from the experience a little.  I'm sure they'll iron out the kinks as they go (the preview for the next ep looks great).

i_c_weiner

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« Reply #93 on: 06-26-2010 00:25 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 00:27 »

For those who like using legal channels and/or iTunes, the new episodes are already up on iTunes in SD quality for $1.99 each and $21.99 for the season pass, and HD quality for $2.99 each or $31.99 for the season pass. Not sure if it's only available in the US, though. Unfortunately, neither Hulu nor comedycentral.com are streaming it.
Future Shock

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« Reply #94 on: 06-26-2010 00:39 »

I might get that so I don't have to download bandwidth-consuming videos each time I want to watch an episode.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #95 on: 06-26-2010 00:49 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 00:54 »


I don't remember anybody saying that, but I assume the feeling is because they feel the episodes aren't as good anymore.

Two episodes and some people (not you, i_c_w) are going to do the "good old days" shit.  Do me us (the fans) a favor - watch something else and STFU.

For the rest of of, we'll judge each episode on its own merits.  Perhaps if we stay positive and judge the episodes on their own, then maybe the show will get the rating required to renew it again and get a larger writing staff.

Not all episodes can be "Roswell" and not all episodes will be "Lobstertainment", most will be in the middle.  some may be stinkers and others may be works of art; I'm just glad to have the show back in 22 minute episode format.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #96 on: 06-26-2010 00:53 »

For those who like using legal channels and/or iTunes, the new episodes are already up on iTunes in SD quality for $1.99 each and $21.99 for the season pass, and HD quality for $2.99 each or $31.99 for the season pass. Not sure if it's only available in the US, though. Unfortunately, neither Hulu nor comedycentral.com are streaming it.

Looks like it's only available in the states, because I went on iTunes and I couldn't find anything about the new episodes. What a shame, that would've been great.
Spocks Brain

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« Reply #97 on: 06-26-2010 00:55 »

Send iTunes a message.  If they get enough and can show that a profit can be made, then there may be a chane for iTunes to offer the new episodes outside the USA.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #98 on: 06-26-2010 04:46 »

Send iTunes a message.  If they get enough and can show that a profit can be made, then there may be a chane for iTunes to offer the new episodes outside the USA.

I like this guy. He thinks logically. If I didn't hate iTunes with the passion of a hypernova and the intensity of a neutron star, then I'd be doing this. Keep up the good thoughts, Spock's Brain. You'll do well in Slytherin. on PEEL.
Rhodan

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« Reply #99 on: 06-26-2010 17:18 »

Preview of 6ACV03:
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=314027&title=preview-e-waste-delivery
This is hilarious. To all the naysayers of new Futurama, watch this.

This episode sounds better and better. Granted, I am kinda "handicapped", becouse I donīt actualy use Twitter, iPhone or iPad but I think I am going to be very pleased anyway.   
Aki

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« Reply #100 on: 06-26-2010 18:25 »

Attack of the Killer App seems more and more awesome. I just hope it won't be too contemporary and be entirely confusing in two years. The Napster references in I Dated a Robot is already very confusing for many.
soylentOrange

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« Reply #101 on: 06-26-2010 18:52 »

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Preview of 6ACV03:
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=314027&title=preview-e-waste-delivery
This is hilarious. To all the naysayers of new Futurama, watch this.

Oh man, this is going to be a great episode. 
mowub

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« Reply #102 on: 06-26-2010 19:23 »

Ah, another new element that Bender is 40%.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #103 on: 06-26-2010 19:23 »

Attack of the Killer App seems more and more awesome. I just hope it won't be too contemporary and be entirely confusing in two years. The Napster references in I Dated a Robot is already very confusing for many.
They are? Unless somebody was born in the last 10 years and haven't used a computer they aren't.
Aki

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« Reply #104 on: 06-26-2010 19:25 »

Attack of the Killer App seems more and more awesome. I just hope it won't be too contemporary and be entirely confusing in two years. The Napster references in I Dated a Robot is already very confusing for many.
They are? Unless somebody was born in the last 10 years and haven't used a computer they aren't.
I was nine when Napster was shut down. I remember it but people I know that are only one or two years younger don't. :P
Svip

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« Reply #105 on: 06-26-2010 19:28 »

There is also the LACK OF CARING ABOUT NAPSTER factor, i_c_weiner.  Trust me, even I suffer from it.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #106 on: 06-26-2010 19:33 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 19:48 »

Svip, that doesn't mean you can't get a joke.

Attack of the Killer App seems more and more awesome. I just hope it won't be too contemporary and be entirely confusing in two years. The Napster references in I Dated a Robot is already very confusing for many.
They are? Unless somebody was born in the last 10 years and haven't used a computer they aren't.
I was nine when Napster was shut down. I remember it but people I know that are only one or two years younger don't. :P
The episode was aired May 2001, Napster was shut down July 2001. That would mean you are ... I feel old now. Also, a year younger than me.



Edit: it seems like the new episodes aren't doing so well on CGEF. Rebirth's 73% after 78 reviews, and IDGDL is 61% after 75 reviews. That would put both into the lower eighth (Rebirth might be in the second lowest eighth) of episodes reviewed on CGEF.
Aki

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« Reply #107 on: 06-26-2010 22:29 »

Edit: it seems like the new episodes aren't doing so well on CGEF. Rebirth's 73% after 78 reviews, and IDGDL is 61% after 75 reviews. That would put both into the lower eighth (Rebirth might be in the second lowest eighth) of episodes reviewed on CGEF.
Gosh, I knew they would be heavily critisized, but these are really bad scores. Oh well, I think they will get a better one when there is the rest of the season to compare with.
Rhodan

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« Reply #108 on: 06-27-2010 07:11 »

Edit: it seems like the new episodes aren't doing so well on CGEF. Rebirth's 73% after 78 reviews, and IDGDL is 61% after 75 reviews. That would put both into the lower eighth (Rebirth might be in the second lowest eighth) of episodes reviewed on CGEF.
Gosh, I knew they would be heavily critisized, but these are really bad scores. Oh well, I think they will get a better one when there is the rest of the season to compare with.

Wait,, are you saying that they will look good in comparision with the rest of the season :-)  ?
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #109 on: 06-27-2010 07:21 »

I thought he meant the comparisons between the new episodes as a whole against the original series. I think he means that scores for episodes will rise as people get adjusted to the new episode feel.
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #110 on: 06-27-2010 08:54 »

I thought he meant the comparisons between the new episodes as a whole against the original series. I think he means that scores for episodes will rise as people get adjusted to the new episode feel.
I disagree. I feel that most people are being subjectively kinder to these episodes because they're simply grateful that Futurama is back, and they don't want to criticize the show.

I was disappointed by the two new episodes; mildly with "Rebirth", and more so with "IAGDL". I feel like my ratings for the episodes (6/10 & 5/10) are objectively fair in comparison to the rest of the series, because most of the episodes are much better than these two.

I certainly hope that the rest of the new episodes this season are much better than these two.

Regardless, I think that by the end of this season, people will be more objective about these two episodes, and I predict peoples' ratings of them will come down.
Svip

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« Reply #111 on: 06-27-2010 13:07 »

I thought he meant the comparisons between the new episodes as a whole against the original series. I think he means that scores for episodes will rise as people get adjusted to the new episode feel.
I disagree. I feel that most people are being subjectively kinder to these episodes because they're simply grateful that Futurama is back, and they don't want to criticize the show.

Hmmm... no.  People are far less kind to these new episodes.  Their expectations were far too high.  You should have seen people's reactions after the films were released.  It was the same harshness.  People are not kinder, rather the opposite.  People are far too kind on the older episodes, though.
Rhodan

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« Reply #112 on: 06-27-2010 20:39 »

You see, I simply canīt agree with this logic. Expecting plots to not be rushed and convulted for example isnīt about having high expectations.
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #113 on: 06-27-2010 21:50 »
« Last Edit on: 06-27-2010 22:00 »

Hmmm... no.  People are far less kind to these new episodes.  Their expectations were far too high.  You should have seen people's reactions after the films were released.  It was the same harshness.  People are not kinder, rather the opposite.  People are far too kind on the older episodes, though.
How can you say that? Have you read the "Thoughts on 6ACV01 - Rebirth - SPOILERs" thread? Have you seen the POLL. An overwhelming majority rated "Rebirth" 7 or higher. More people rated it a 10/10 than everyone who rated it 6 or below. People are being very kind to these episodes. You couldn't be more wrong, Svip.

People are being overtly kind to these two episodes simply because they're overjoyed that Futurama is back. I count myself among them -- I'm ecstatic about Futurama's return -- but I feel like I've been more objective about my opinion of these episodes. I don't think that either of these episodes can even be considered "average" quality Futurama episodes, because the average Futurama episode is so good.

Someone recently posted the Futurama Survivor Ratings comparison between 2005 and 2009, and although I don't fully agree with it (I actually liked most of the movies, and I don't inexplicably hate "The Cryonic Woman" episode), you'll see that the ratings of Futurama episodes are very, very high. The mean average seems to be the mid-80's. The below average categories are as follows: 83-81 = "Meh"; 80-79 = "Bad"; 78-72 = "Ugly"; and 71 and below = "Stinker".

The following are just some of the episodes of Futurama that rank "below average":
The Farnsworth Parabox = 83
Three Hundred Big Boys = 83
A Tale of Two Santas = 81
A Bicyclops Built for Two = 81
Crimes of the Hot = 80
The Series Has Landed = 79
A Taste of Freedom = 78
Spanish Fry = 75

I cannot believe that the majority of people ranked "Rebirth" higher than any of those episodes. This is exactly what I'm talking about that people are being too kind to these two new episodes. Neither of them are nearly as good as any of the episodes on that list.

I realize that these new episodes will be watched a lot more often than the older episodes over the next few months; but once this season wraps up, I doubt they'll be watched as often, and therefore rated so highly. I think that most people would prefer to watch the reruns from the original run of Futurama than either of these two. People are just reluctant to criticize these episodes too harshly -- I don't know why; maybe they're under the delusional belief that the Futurama staff actually read our rantings and ravings.

The problem with being too kind is that what will happen when a genuinely great new episode of Futurama airs? How can the people that rated "Rebirth" as a 10 possibly rate it higher? IMO, only one episode should be ranked as a 10, and for me, that episode is "Amazon Women in the Mood"; I rate all other episodes relative to that one. Anyone who believes that "Rebirth" rates the same 10 rating as "Amazon Women in the Mood" is a fool.
Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #114 on: 06-27-2010 22:04 »

I think that you're being far too objective about this. Yes, Rebirth isn't as good as a few of those on that list, and yes there is a lot of hype surrounding the episodes at the minute. But the fact remains that, Rebirth, while not pure writing genius, is a good episode. Like any episode, it has it's bad points, but there is some laugh out loud humour, the characters are all the way they should be - at least comparing to IDGDL, and to be perfectly honest, I can see nothing in this episode that makes me think that I won't want to watch it as much as I do the other episodes.

It served a purpose, it brought the series back, and to be honest, that alone and the fact that they pulled it off makes it one of the better episodes in my eyes. People who had such high expectations are bound to be disappointed because we as humans are prone to setting unrealistic standards, and dreaming of scenarios and things we would like to see. It's only natural to feel disappointed that perhaps some things we wanted to happen didn't happen - but at the end of the day - you can't complain about it.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #115 on: 06-27-2010 22:26 »

I think that at this point, anybody who says we are being too kind in rating the new episodes at around 7/10 should go back and watch some of Series 1-4.

The new episodes are solid, good foundations for the revived series. With the possible exceptions of The Cryonic Woman (worst episode ever) and Roswell That Ends Well (best episode), I think that the two new episodes would compare reasonably well to any episode from the original run. They have one minor failing as a whole (few background jokes) and a few flaws individually, but this is common to all episodes. Name one episode without a single flaw... and somebody else will name a flaw or point out a goof, or even just flat out say that they hated it from beginning to end.

Finally, the new episodes are also much better than The Beast With A Billion Backs and Bender's Game. TBWABB had its moments, sure. But none of the episodes that comprise it stand out as a great episode, and as a whole, it feels... well, slightly less than a decent story. BG is just plain stupid for a lot of the time, and feels much less than a great episode altogether. In fact, it feels drawn out and poorly constructed.

I can't apply the same criticisms to the two new episodes. Judged against the lesser of the two movies (and when you put all four movies together and average them out, they're alright altogether), they stand up proud and tall, IMO.

Go, Futurama!
Svip

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« Reply #116 on: 06-27-2010 23:30 »

Hmmm... no.  People are far less kind to these new episodes.  Their expectations were far too high.  You should have seen people's reactions after the films were released.  It was the same harshness.  People are not kinder, rather the opposite.  People are far too kind on the older episodes, though.
How can you say that? Have you read the "Thoughts on 6ACV01 - Rebirth - SPOILERs" thread? Have you seen the POLL. An overwhelming majority rated "Rebirth" 7 or higher. More people rated it a 10/10 than everyone who rated it 6 or below. People are being very kind to these episodes. You couldn't be more wrong, Svip.

When it comes to opinions and reviews, I rarely care about a rating, it's so strange what people decide to use as a measure for when something is good or bad.  How do I rate an episode on 1 to 10?  I can't!  No, instead, I read the opinions, I see the reviews.  To gather what people aren't saying in the number they are giving.

People are by far and wide more nitpicking and going in detail with things I don't really should matter on a first impression.  Same reason, I have not looked the numbers; I don't care.  I care about reading what people say.  But even on CGEF, "In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela" is currently the fourth worst episode.  That's kind, huh?  And "Rebirth" is far below average there.  If you want to talk about numbers.

Don't just read what people on PEEL says.  Also read abroad.  That's where I am getting the impression that people are being too harsh on these episodes.  PEEL may be different.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #117 on: 06-27-2010 23:44 »

Someone recently posted the Futurama Survivor Ratings comparison between 2005 and 2009, and although I don't fully agree with it (I actually liked most of the movies, and I don't inexplicably hate "The Cryonic Woman" episode), you'll see that the ratings of Futurama episodes are very, very high. The mean average seems to be the mid-80's. The below average categories are as follows: 83-81 = "Meh"; 80-79 = "Bad"; 78-72 = "Ugly"; and 71 and below = "Stinker".

The following are just some of the episodes of Futurama that rank "below average":
The Farnsworth Parabox = 83
Three Hundred Big Boys = 83
A Tale of Two Santas = 81
A Bicyclops Built for Two = 81
Crimes of the Hot = 80
The Series Has Landed = 79
A Taste of Freedom = 78
Spanish Fry = 75

I cannot believe that the majority of people ranked "Rebirth" higher than any of those episodes. This is exactly what I'm talking about that people are being too kind to these two new episodes. Neither of them are nearly as good as any of the episodes on that list.
First, I posted those comparisons because I ran Futurama Episode Survivor, and you're using those statistics terribly wrong. I personally objectively categorized the episodes into 8 nearly-equal tiers to provide better comparison and to show how people's rankings in the game compared to "actual rankings" from CGEF.

Now, if you compare these two episode's CGEF ratings (72 and 61 respectively) to those of other episodes, you'll see that Rebirth is ranked "Ugly" and IDGDL is "Stinker". Your point that these episodes were subpar could've been proven if you had actually understood what you were talking about. But that's not what you're saying you're trying to prove, is it? You're saying you're trying to prove that people are being "too nice" to these new episodes.

I'm going to give you a little spoiler here:
If you consider this and actually calculated the average rankings given on PEEL, which are 79.57% for Rebirth and 64.31% for IDGDL, you'd note that people are only "being too nice" to Rebirth. IDGDL still has that stinker rating you wish it to have on both CGEF and PEEL, and Rebirth is only up to the paltry Meh tier. Only 25 of 69 ranked Rebirth above 8 and only 13 of 58 ranked IDGDL above 7. Your comments are falsely aimed at everyone. The people who likely voted Rebirth so highly are shippers, and the people who likely voted IDGDL so highly hate shipping. Futurama is multi-faceted and has something for everybody.

Additionally, you suffer from a disease many on PEEL have: retroscopic benevision. It means you look at the old episodes as gods when some aren't. For example, most the ones you listed as being below average as ranked by CGEF, not me or some single person are, in fact, below average for Futurama. See, you can't be purely objective when looking at these episodes because, if you were, you'd be comparing them to Family Guy and The Simpsons. And, if that happened, you would realize that these new episodes are better than you're giving them credit. In comparison to other Futurama, they're still around average. They're not the best, but they're clearly not the worst.

And, now for the nail in your coffin: the movies. You mentioned that you liked the movies while others killed them off very early in the Survivor. In the tiering, all four were above average (I based their ratings on Rotten Tomatoes as there were no CGEF reviews). However, three of the four were eliminated in Stinker territory. Why was this? People were automatically hating new Futurama as being not as good as the old. They weren't objectively looking at these movies, they were being completely biased in the view that they hated them above any and all old Futurama, even the ranks of Where the Buggalo Roam, The Cryonic Woman, and A Leela of Her Own. People will compare them to the old Futurama, yes, but the problem is the majority of people haven't watched every single episode directly before they began comparing the two. They view them all in retroscopic benevision, as "the good old days of Futurama", despite it being a known fact that there were a few bad episodes out there, a lot definitely worse than these new ones. This proves that these rankings for the new episodes, especially on CGEF, are deflated due to the fact that they're new Futurama, not inflated as you would so much like to say they are.

Learn to read statistics and samplings.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #118 on: 06-27-2010 23:50 »

Neither of them are nearly as good as any of the episodes on that list.

I'd take both new episodes over A Taste of Freedom, and I think I'm quite a harsh critic of In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela. I also honestly believe that Rebirth ranks above A Bicyclops Built for Two and Spanish Fry so I stand by my rating of 8/10 for it.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #119 on: 06-28-2010 00:54 »

True dat. SorynArkayn's list really isn't that good. Rebirth is better than at least half of those episodes. I don't think I'm being "too nice"...I think I am just realistic about some of the older episodes.
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