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seattlejohn01

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« Reply #320 on: 07-11-2010 17:27 »

But the majority disagrees with you, look at the episode guide and some of the hate in the threads
I disagree with you; Future Shock is right.  Here, for the last episode, almost 80% of us gave it a 7/10 or higher.  
Svip

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« Reply #321 on: 07-11-2010 17:28 »

But the majority disagrees with you, look at the episode guide and some of the hate in the threads
I disagree with you; Future Shock is right.  Here, for the last episode, almost 80% of us gave it a 7/10 or higher. 

He is using the data from CGEF to make his claims, which certainly aren't giving the new episodes much love:

http://www.gotfuturama.com/cgi-bin/EpisodeReview.cgi?action=show&Season=6&Episode=04
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #322 on: 07-11-2010 17:41 »

To be honest, the general reaction on this forum is very positive. You're preaching to the converted, mostly.

Their is no way in hell A Pharaoh To Remember is better then In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela, as the guide would suggest.
I whole-heartedly disagree. A Pharoah to Remember, whilst far from being a great episode, wasn't bad. It had consistent laughs, some brilliant exploration of Bender's character and everyone remained in character throughout.
In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela was inconsistently funny, Leela acted completely out of character, the pacing was off and V-Giny was puerile and patheticly unfunny. Also Chris Elliott's performance as it wasn't up to much.

I'm personally of the opinion that the show has actually deteriorated and you're blind to it. That's not to say it won't get itself back into full swing or that everything about the new episodes is bad, but In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela and Attack of the Killer App certainly make my bottom 10 episodes of all time list.

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The perfect example of a show that would deserve this bashing is The Simpsons. This has been over analysed/done to death before but the general consensus is that the show peaked season 9/10 and went downhill ever since never to reach its glory days.
I don't think many people think it peaked at season 9, they just cite that as when it began to get noticeably worse. For my money, it peaked at season 6.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #323 on: 07-11-2010 17:48 »

Bah, the reaction on this forum is pretty dismal for the new episodes. People routinely call them among the worst in the series and threaten to quit the show. The only place where the reaction is worse is CGEF.

And The Simpsons' golden years were from Seasons 4 (Kamp Krusty, Mr. Plow, Marge vs. the Monorail) through 9 (which included The Principal and the Pauper and was the last year with lots of involvement from future Futurama writers). Season 10 was the beginning of the end.
TheBoz

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« Reply #324 on: 07-11-2010 17:55 »
« Last Edit on: 07-12-2010 19:26 by [-mArc-] »

To be honest, the general reaction on this forum is very positive. You're preaching to the converted, mostly.

Their is no way in hell A Pharaoh To Remember is better then In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela, as the guide would suggest.
I whole-heartedly disagree. A Pharoah to Remember, whilst far from being a great episode, wasn't bad. It had consistent laughs, some brilliant exploration of Bender's character and everyone remained in character throughout.
In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela was inconsistently funny, Leela acted completely out of character, the pacing was off and V-Giny was puerile and patheticly unfunny. Also Chris Elliott's performance as it wasn't up to much.

I'm personally of the opinion that the show has actually deteriorated and you're blind to it. That's not to say it won't get itself back into full swing or that everything about the new episodes is bad, but In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela and Attack of the Killer App certainly make my bottom 10 episodes of all time list.

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The perfect example of a show that would deserve this bashing is The Simpsons. This has been over analysed/done to death before but the general consensus is that the show peaked season 9/10 and went downhill ever since never to reach its glory days.
I don't think many people think it peaked at season 9, they just cite that as when it began to get noticeably worse. For my money, it peaked at season 6.


We have too agree to disagree on A Pharoah to Remember vs In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela. In my opinion A Pharaoh to Remember seems like it was rushed, didnt have the futurama "vibe" and on top of that it wasnt funny at all. Easily in the bottom 5 episodes of futurama.  Leela was out of character in IAGDL, but it was explained by the dehydration/thinking Earth got destroyed thing. Also a few minutes of sex with Zapp vs Destruction of the Earth? I would certainly hope she would take one for the team, it would take a fairly selfish person not too. So its not like its not believable, it was just stupid plot. Hence why I gave it 7/10. It was a middle of the ground episode no-where NEAR the bottom 10 imo.

 
Jezzem

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« Reply #325 on: 07-11-2010 17:56 »

But the majority disagrees with you, look at the episode guide and some of the hate in the threads

The majority of the reviews on CGEF are made by people who don't post on PEEL. Most of us on PEEL (except for the people who join just to bitch about the new episodes) actually like the new episodes.

So, yeah, as cyber_turnip said, You're mostly preaching to the converted.

Although, as i_c_weiner pointed out, there are a few who are unnecessarily hating on them.
TheBoz

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« Reply #326 on: 07-11-2010 17:59 »

But the majority disagrees with you, look at the episode guide and some of the hate in the threads

The majority of the reviews on CGEF are made by people who don't post on PEEL. Most of us on PEEL (except for the people who join just to bitch about the new episodes) actually like the new episodes.

So, yeah, as cyber_turnip said, You're mostly preaching to the converted.

Although, as i_c_weiner pointed out, there are a few who are unnecessarily hating on them.

By here I meant PEEL/CGEF.
seattlejohn01

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« Reply #327 on: 07-11-2010 18:10 »

But the majority disagrees with you, look at the episode guide and some of the hate in the threads

The majority of the reviews on CGEF are made by people who don't post on PEEL. Most of us on PEEL (except for the people who join just to bitch about the new episodes) actually like the new episodes.

There seems to be a real difference between the PEEL & CGEF posters.  I've read some posts about the new episodes on CGEF, and, IMO, some of their posters think of themselves as "critics" & analyze everything to the nth degree.  I think PEEL is more for fans of Futurama & cartoons in general, hence the overall happiness that the series is back & the new episodes are out.
Kornography

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« Reply #328 on: 07-11-2010 18:11 »

It ceases to amaze me that all four new episodes are rated below 75% on CGEF ...well not In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela, but you get my point. At least people seem to like it more here big grin
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #329 on: 07-12-2010 18:07 »

I've just noticed that Kif's appeared in 3 out of the 4 new episodes. That's quite a nice record for a supporting character.
Gopher

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« Reply #330 on: 07-12-2010 18:08 »

True, though his role in the last one was small and rather perfunctory.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #331 on: 07-12-2010 18:19 »

True, though his role in the last one was small and rather perfunctory.
It was still considerably larger than his role in Rebirth, to be fair.
Simon of Omicron Persei 8
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« Reply #332 on: 07-14-2010 06:08 »

Man! Futurama got really horny during its absence. Has anybody noticed how sexual the new season is? Totally tell they have new writers.
Gopher

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« Reply #333 on: 07-14-2010 06:11 »

not so much new writers as new censors, I think. Fox never liked the show in the first place, and probably didn't give them much slack.
Jezzem

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« Reply #334 on: 07-14-2010 06:17 »

Man! Futurama got really horny during its absence. Has anybody noticed how sexual the new season is? Totally tell they have new writers.

You mean like how one episode of the new season so far has been written by someone who wasn't on the original writing team?

Anyway, like Gopher said, more like new censors than new writers...

Also, remember Spanish Fry?
Aki

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« Reply #335 on: 07-14-2010 06:34 »

The new episodes aren't dirtier than the old ones, though ofcourse In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela had a sexual overtone in the style of Spanish Fry. Proposition Infinity, dealing with sexuality, is the next dirtiest one, and it's probably no worse than any semi-sex-related oldy like Put Your Head on My Shoulders.
winna

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« Reply #336 on: 07-14-2010 12:09 »

I was having a discussion with a friend the other day about the writers tendancy to use pop culture references specific to our own time period (I find that it detracts from the believability of the show sometimes) and he suggested that the new episodes are more prone to this. I wasn't even aware the boil thing was a reference until I read about it. Other than that I'm finding the new episodes rather refreshing and well within the realm of the older episodes.
jigielnik

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« Reply #337 on: 07-14-2010 18:38 »
« Last Edit on: 07-14-2010 18:44 »

Is anyone else here bothered by the lack of a live orchestra?

imHo the first three episodes were garden variety meh; though i did think some of the jokes in them were good, the best jokes in the first three were better than probably 95% of the jokes in the movies, and overall i thought the first three episodes were promising, not old futurama great, but better than the movies, which i also enjoyed. However, proposition infinity i thought was a true return for futurama, once again following the mantra that began with the simpsons: its not about how many jokes you can fit into one page, its about how many jokes you can fit into one line. I was very happy to see this, and ive watched the episode over and over loving it each time. BUT there is just one problem, and the fact that the writing of the episode has finally come up to par with the pre-cancellation series, and the animation is fantastic makes it all the more noticeable: the music. Its not that the music is BAD, really, Chris Tyng is doing the best he can with what hes got and sometimes its not bad, but other times it borders on pathetic i think. I really hope that they can somehow find the money for a live orchestra, it really ads to the mood of a show, the mood of a moment, so much more than you usually realize, and the lack of it has made me realize so much. I doubt this season we will see that happen, but if the show is very successful and gets another season, maybe with more money they could incorporate that

EDIT: there was a simple, very small joke in prop infinity that i believe was completely ruined by the lack of an orchestra: when the 'hunk of the month' calendar guy plays the sax, it sounds like a disgustingly bad synth sax, instead of the real thing, and frankly it just ruined that moment for me with what was otherwise a well written and well animated moment. Also, the accordion also sounded bad

David X, if you're listening: get the live orchestra back! its the unsung hero of futurama!
Smarty

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« Reply #338 on: 07-14-2010 19:00 »
« Last Edit on: 07-14-2010 20:51 »

Being a musician myself, I do miss the sound of an orchestra. It gave the show a unique, realistic aspect. I hate synthesized noises from computers. And I agree the saxophone was pretty lame. Sounded more like a kazoo. But we're going to have to live with it for a while, possibly a long time, unless all the animators, writers, and cast members take up some instruments and form their own orchestra.

Edit: due to rewatching that part again, and partly from peer pressure, I think the saxophone fit in there. And for the record I love kazoos, so I liked it.
TheBoz

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« Reply #339 on: 07-14-2010 19:24 »

Is anyone else here bothered by the lack of a live orchestra?

imHo the first three episodes were garden variety meh; though i did think some of the jokes in them were good, the best jokes in the first three were better than probably 95% of the jokes in the movies, and overall i thought the first three episodes were promising, not old futurama great, but better than the movies, which i also enjoyed. However, proposition infinity i thought was a true return for futurama, once again following the mantra that began with the simpsons: its not about how many jokes you can fit into one page, its about how many jokes you can fit into one line. I was very happy to see this, and ive watched the episode over and over loving it each time. BUT there is just one problem, and the fact that the writing of the episode has finally come up to par with the pre-cancellation series, and the animation is fantastic makes it all the more noticeable: the music. Its not that the music is BAD, really, Chris Tyng is doing the best he can with what hes got and sometimes its not bad, but other times it borders on pathetic i think. I really hope that they can somehow find the money for a live orchestra, it really ads to the mood of a show, the mood of a moment, so much more than you usually realize, and the lack of it has made me realize so much. I doubt this season we will see that happen, but if the show is very successful and gets another season, maybe with more money they could incorporate that

EDIT: there was a simple, very small joke in prop infinity that i believe was completely ruined by the lack of an orchestra: when the 'hunk of the month' calendar guy plays the sax, it sounds like a disgustingly bad synth sax, instead of the real thing, and frankly it just ruined that moment for me with what was otherwise a well written and well animated moment. Also, the accordion also sounded bad

David X, if you're listening: get the live orchestra back! its the unsung hero of futurama!

Wow really? I completely disagree with you I can't tell the difference. Some of my fav musical moments of the new season so far:

That obscure underground song thats constantly playing everywhere from AotKA
Also the Leela Depressed after movie theme from same episode.

Check out these 2 again,both are brilliant. If anything has been lost from the orchestra its only marginal, the extra money an orchestra would cost would have to come from the writing or the animation,so im glad they took it from the orchestra.

cyber_turnip

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« Reply #340 on: 07-14-2010 19:52 »

I also completely disagree and I've been really listening out for a change in quality in the music almost as much as I've been looking for a change in quality in the animation.

The saxaphone didn't sound like a real saxaphone. I don't think that was particularly unintentional. This was a tiny little image on a calendar. It makes sense that his sax sounds like some sort of synthetic weird thing.

On the other hand, the score to The Beast with a Billion Backs and a lot of Bender's Big Score were downright incredible. Some of the best music in the show's history.
Svip

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« Reply #341 on: 07-14-2010 19:55 »

I don't get the complains about the saxophone.  There is a good reason it doesn't sound like a sax, BECAUSE IT ISN'T ONE.  Have you ever heard sound from those tiny computers (e.g. your mobile phone), it's horrible!  That is the effect (and joke) they are trying to recreate.  Trust me, synthesisers can create VASTLY better saxophones.
Jezzem

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« Reply #342 on: 07-14-2010 20:15 »

Svip makes a good point. When I first saw that part with the saxophone I thought it was hilarious specifically because of how it sounded.
jigielnik

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« Reply #343 on: 07-14-2010 23:44 »

Is anyone else here bothered by the lack of a live orchestra?

imHo the first three episodes were garden variety meh; though i did think some of the jokes in them were good, the best jokes in the first three were better than probably 95% of the jokes in the movies, and overall i thought the first three episodes were promising, not old futurama great, but better than the movies, which i also enjoyed. However, proposition infinity i thought was a true return for futurama, once again following the mantra that began with the simpsons: its not about how many jokes you can fit into one page, its about how many jokes you can fit into one line. I was very happy to see this, and ive watched the episode over and over loving it each time. BUT there is just one problem, and the fact that the writing of the episode has finally come up to par with the pre-cancellation series, and the animation is fantastic makes it all the more noticeable: the music. Its not that the music is BAD, really, Chris Tyng is doing the best he can with what hes got and sometimes its not bad, but other times it borders on pathetic i think. I really hope that they can somehow find the money for a live orchestra, it really ads to the mood of a show, the mood of a moment, so much more than you usually realize, and the lack of it has made me realize so much. I doubt this season we will see that happen, but if the show is very successful and gets another season, maybe with more money they could incorporate that

EDIT: there was a simple, very small joke in prop infinity that i believe was completely ruined by the lack of an orchestra: when the 'hunk of the month' calendar guy plays the sax, it sounds like a disgustingly bad synth sax, instead of the real thing, and frankly it just ruined that moment for me with what was otherwise a well written and well animated moment. Also, the accordion also sounded bad

David X, if you're listening: get the live orchestra back! its the unsung hero of futurama!

Wow really? I completely disagree with you I can't tell the difference. Some of my fav musical moments of the new season so far:

That obscure underground song thats constantly playing everywhere from AotKA
Also the Leela Depressed after movie theme from same episode.

Check out these 2 again,both are brilliant. If anything has been lost from the orchestra its only marginal, the extra money an orchestra would cost would have to come from the writing or the animation,so im glad they took it from the orchestra.



I dont think the show was completely ruined by the lack of an orchestra, and some of the music has been pretty good all things considered (the music they played when they visited the 3rd world planet was pretty unique and cool) but i like the live orchestra MUCH more.

As for ppl saying that the sax sound was intentionally bad, I would LIKE to think that it was intentional, but to be honest i dont think it was, especially when you consider how terrible the accordion sounded (it was as bad compared to a real accordion as the fake sax was compared to a real one) when it clearly wasnt supposed to sound any different from a real one and couldnt even be interpreted that way.

Ive been watching some old series episodes today and the more i watch the more i realize how powerful the music was as a tool to carry the story along and set the mood of the moment. I am thinking now of a particular scene (though there are scenes in every ep that show it) in "I second that emotion" where bender becomes back to his normal self in order to save nibbler. The orchestra crescendos into a powerful force that perfectly complements the heroics of the moment and the vanquishing of the enemy. I guess not everyone agrees with me, and i do think that some of the music has indeed been good (mostly when its full on songs- those have been great at time, BUT the tiny cues here and there i think sound awful compared to a real orchestra- because they are imitating one with computer sounds- and if you disagree with that part, you just dont know music very well) but overall i think that the lack of a live orchestra is the biggest flaw with the show since it returned
 
plus, because everyone seems to be mainly attacking the sax comment, i should point out thats an extremely minor grievance related to what i believe to be the overall musical issue of the show, big powerful moments sound dumb when you have a synth orchestra, especially when comparing it to episodes with a real one. who knows though, maybe im just a music snob... tongue
lilkitten29

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« Reply #344 on: 07-14-2010 23:57 »

I agree with the whole orchestrated music vs. sythesized music.  Orchestrated music was obviously a lot better. I'm a music lover and a musician, so I can get pretty picky when it comes to the music. Buuuut, the synthesized stuff that's being used now isn't so bad most times, but I have to admit there are those moments where the music makes me cringe. For some people the music bothers them, and for others, it doesn't affect them  at all.
I would have to agree, with some previous comments mentioned before that Beast with a Billion Backs had some great music...also Bender's Big Score wasn't so bad either.
Jezzem

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« Reply #345 on: 07-15-2010 00:05 »

I think my favourite music from the movies was in Into the Wild Green Yonder. Especially the scenes with the violet dwarf star.
jigielnik

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« Reply #346 on: 07-15-2010 09:24 »

I agree with the whole orchestrated music vs. sythesized music.  Orchestrated music was obviously a lot better. I'm a music lover and a musician, so I can get pretty picky when it comes to the music. Buuuut, the synthesized stuff that's being used now isn't so bad most times, but I have to admit there are those moments where the music makes me cringe. For some people the music bothers them, and for others, it doesn't affect them  at all.
I would have to agree, with some previous comments mentioned before that Beast with a Billion Backs had some great music...also Bender's Big Score wasn't so bad either.

i agree with that, the music isnt always that bad, its definitely more than adequate, and the episodes stand on their own without the occasionally poor music, and most of the time its good (and there is an aspect of being used to orchestration in futurama, and in general in animation of that class: simpsons, family guy, american dad, clevland show all have live orchestras). Still, i also agree there are moments that make me cringe. In prop Infinity during the part where they are putting up signs to promote infinity, they had this awful "we're working on a campaign" music that really just made me remember how much better it would have been if it were with an orchestra. I just watched "why must i be a crustacean in love" and during the final fight with fry and zoidberg there is this fantastic music as the camera circles them, both choking each other, im sure you may know what im talking about (not the part with the star trek music) and it was just fantastic, it gives it a very good epic feel, makes the small episodes with grand stories seem grander in proportion and just gives it a fantastic movie like feel. What can i say, i miss it, but im not getting my hopes up for its return anytime soon
erinpatmac

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« Reply #347 on: 07-15-2010 10:31 »

Ode to a lost Futurama

Oh, Futurama, what has happened to you?
You used to be clever, honest and true
After years of our begging we got you back
Just to see scripts that seriously lacked

MomCo as Apple? Really, give me a break
Bender and Amy? Please man, I just ate
Where is the science? The nerd jokes? The fun?
Did all of your writers suddenly run?

Jokes about photons, wire drawers and Trek
Have now been replaced with nothing but sex

Zapp was awesome when he was just Kirk
But now he's just gross and your everyday jerk
Kif and Amy once gave hope to the scrawny
Now she's not pleased unless he is brawny

It was a great balance, catered to every man
"Bite my shiny metal ass" while drinking Olde Fortran

I want Bender again to be frightened of twos
And Fry to want Leela, though he knows he will lose
We loved the quantum finish and the Aleph-null-plex
And what about Gore, Nichelle, Hawking and Gygax?

Nibbler and Zoidberg, Hermes and Scruffy
Your characters were epic and terribly funny
Who didn't love Flexo with Star Trek to mock?
You gave us back Nimoy, who was more than just Spock

Maybe the writers want this time to stay
So they're changing the humour, leaving nerds in dismay
Without nerd support, you wouldn't be here
We cried out for more but you've left us in tears

I know we are few but we do still exist
Desperately wanting more than just pish
I know it's a risk to leave us in the dust
The general public might find it a must

I'm saddened and sick by your lack of tact
Maybe it's true; we can never go back
Time to say goodbye to the lads in 3k
Maybe when we're there, it'll all be okay.

By Erin Macdonald on http://tattooedscience.blogspot.com
Svip

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« Reply #348 on: 07-15-2010 10:38 »

Can you put that in the form of prose?
Jezzem

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« Reply #349 on: 07-15-2010 10:53 »

That Ode to a lost Futurama makes me angry because the person who wrote it was clearly looking not for nerdy obscure jokes but for reasons why the new episodes aren't as good as the old ones...

And, seriously, am I really the only one who remembers the immature/sex jokes from the original series?
erinpatmac

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« Reply #350 on: 07-15-2010 10:57 »

I don't mind the sex/immature jokes...I love them, but what made it was the nerdy jokes that surrounded it. I wanted to love, I really did.
Jezzem

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« Reply #351 on: 07-15-2010 11:16 »

You do realise it's only been five episodes out of a 26 episode production season? And the return of the sight gags and such in Proposition Infinity would seem like a step in the right direction. My point is, maybe it's a tad early to be writing Futurama off with harsh (and somewhat inaccurately nitpicky) odes.
erinpatmac

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« Reply #352 on: 07-15-2010 11:21 »

You can't deny that a lot of the subtlety has been lost. An example being when Bender was off having sex with another robot and it just showed him putting a plug in and out of an input socket.
Also, it seems to be written by people who think they know nerd humour...The MomCo/iPhone episode was trite and unimaginative. With so much build up, I would have expected more. I gave it 4 episodes and will watch the rest if it's recommended by my fellow scientists, as the first ones were...otherwise I've given up. You are free to stick it out though.
Svip

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« Reply #353 on: 07-15-2010 11:35 »
« Last Edit on: 07-15-2010 11:38 »

Verrone has never written any of the heavy nerd humour episodes.  That's an area for other writers.

Hell, maybe you'll like the plot description of "The Prisoner of Benda":

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A revolutionary invention allows the crew members to exchange minds.[1] According to David X. Cohen, writer Ken Keeler penned a theorem (and proof thereof) based on group theory, then used it to explain a plot twist in this episode.[2]

If that is not nerdy or geeky, I don't know what is.

In addition, 'Mama said Spock you out'?  The diode on the fireplace?  Etc.?  Those are not nerdy.

Don't let yourself hang too much on one episode.  That's like pinning the entire season 2 down on "The Cryonic Woman".

You can't deny that a lot of the subtlety has been lost. An example being when Bender was off having sex with another robot and it just showed him putting a plug in and out of an input socket.

You mean like he did in "In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela"?

Also, it seems to be written by people who think they know nerd humour...The MomCo/iPhone episode was trite and unimaginative. With so much build up, I would have expected more. I gave it 4 episodes and will watch the rest if it's recommended by my fellow scientists, as the first ones were...otherwise I've given up. You are free to stick it out though.

Well, we'll see you when you return.
Jezzem

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« Reply #354 on: 07-15-2010 11:42 »

Also, it seems to be written by people who think they know nerd humour...The MomCo/iPhone episode was trite and unimaginative.

You mean how it's written by the same people who wrote the original episodes?

And most of Attack of the Killer App was actually pretty much like original Futurama with it's eyephone/iphone comparisons. Now that Futurama is back, people seem to be thinking of the original series as being way more perfect than it actually was and, as such, no new episode can ever live up to this idea they have of the original series so they just start saying things like "omg! Futurama is all crap now because it has sex jokes that wouldn't have been in any of the original series even though they actually would have been!" and "omg! Futurama's like Family Guy now because it has pop culture references that wouldn't have been in the original series even though the original series had a lot of pop culture references!"

You can't deny that a lot of the subtlety has been lost.

Yes, actually, I can. Remember Spanish Fry? There was hardly anything subtle about the humour in that episode.

The sad thing is that this is the second time I've had to point out the thing about the writers and Spanish Fry...

Pre-post edit: Ah, thanks Svip. I wanted to point out that thing about The Prisoner of Benda but I couldn't remember what episode it was.
winna

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« Reply #355 on: 07-15-2010 12:54 »

People complained about Season 4 and Spanish Fry when they came out. I was just asking a question about anyone noticing more pop cultural references in season 6. As I said, in a way, they always pulled me back from the future, but not to an extent for me to actually complain about the show; plus you could always explain it away with our crew being videotaped specifically for a 21st century audience or that Fry is from the 20th century. I wasn't originally a fan of kif/amy to begin with, but they grew on me a bit. I've also heard good argument against fry + leela, but now I'd like them to stay together even if it defies sitcom logic. This means I'm a little confused as to how the relationships stand.
Jezzem

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« Reply #356 on: 07-15-2010 13:05 »

I wasn't talking about you, winna. I was talking about the people who complain about the pop culture references in the new episodes and say that it's turned into Family Guy because of it despite the fact that Futurama has always had pop culture references.

And I know that people complained about things in the original series but my point is that it's not something that has happened since the show came back.
Aki

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« Reply #357 on: 07-15-2010 13:18 »

No, Futurama didn't use to be more subtle. Yes, in some episodes, but then again there are subtler episodes out of the four we've gotten so far, just take Rebirth and try find more sex jokes than in any old 72. Some "old fans" are merely looking for reasons to hate the new episodes. Sit down, watch them, think over them. If you really don't like them, fine, but don't claim they are dirtier than the oldies or that the nerd humour isn't there. The original 72 used to have nerdier episodes and less nerdy episodes, and they used to have less dirty as well as really dirty episode.

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« Reply #358 on: 07-15-2010 13:38 »

I honestly don't see a huge difference between these and Season 4 episodes. Plus Zapp's dream sequences and Amy's sluttiness feel reminiscent of Season 1 or 2.
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« Reply #359 on: 07-15-2010 15:51 »

Agreed. I'm actually surprised the writers could return so smoothly to episode format after the films, with only a tiny pacing issue that doesn't really disturb me much where it's present (mainly in Rebirth and In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela).
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