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Shot
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« on: 02-07-2010 05:38 »

im assuming because nobody watched it, there for fox didn't bothering ordering new seasons when the audience was so very low.

leela & amy should get there own spin-off.  :flirt: 
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« Reply #1 on: 02-07-2010 05:47 »

It wasn't that no one watched it, the adult swim and comedy central airings are proof that the people watched the show. However no one could figure out why Fox would abuse the show by constantly changing the time it originally aired, and preempting it for sporting events and other meaningless puerile events. If it had aired at a consistent time and had been given the full support of the fox machine, it may never have been canceled. It was Fox's mismanagement of the property which lead to them deciding no to order any more episodes in favor of those trashy reality shows every one seems to like :puke:
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« Reply #2 on: 02-07-2010 06:18 »

im assuming because nobody watched it, there for fox didn't bothering ordering new seasons when the audience was so very low.

You do realise that it's actually back on TV now due to the large number of fans it has?
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« Reply #3 on: 02-07-2010 07:12 »

i know multiple movies have been made, but that doesn't change anything.

this show had every right to be canceled, i hope they stop producing the movies all together! 
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« Reply #4 on: 02-07-2010 07:43 »

No, I mean the movies sold so well that they're making new episodes. Maybe you should do your research before saying stupid things.

Either way, I'm not about to get into some kind of argument with you because you're clearly not worth it.
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« Reply #5 on: 02-07-2010 09:23 »

Many reasons, some we may never know.

1 reason is Fox is very republican and religious and mostly all white american woo-ha. (Futurama is very liberal; full of sci fi, jokes that are too hard for most of weak minded Humans on this Earth to get, really weird at times a lot of the time, plus Robot Santa with X-mas Story wasn't any help which I liked, that episode was banned for awhile.)

Shot if you hate Futurama so much why are you even here? And why do you if hate Futurama so much find yet the characters so hot like Leela & Amy?
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« Reply #6 on: 02-07-2010 11:39 »

[I']m assuming because nobody watched it...

1. Please remember "assume" is an acronym.

[Therefore F]ox didn't bothering ordering new seasons when the audience was so very low.

2. Uh huh. Refresh my memory: Whose poor treatment of the show caused said low viewership, again?  :evillaugh:

[L]eela & [A]my should get the[ir] own spin-off. :flirt:

   Go away.  Go far away.

Also:
The button is your friend.

   FOX's Official Reason For Cancelling 'Futurama'?
   Did FOX give a reason for cancelling Futurama?
   Mad at FOX for cancelling Futurama?
   Fox reasons for cancellation and tobacco companies.
   Another Great Sci Fi Show Cancelled Before Its Time.

And those are just the threads I could find in searching five minutes or less.
I make no guarantees to the validity of said threads...

I, uh... I'll just... ooze... back out under the door now...

Shot
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« Reply #7 on: 02-07-2010 12:00 »

Many reasons, some we may never know.

1 reason is Fox is very republican and religious and mostly all white american woo-ha. (Futurama is very liberal; full of sci fi, jokes that are too hard for most of weak minded Humans on this Earth to get, really weird at times a lot of the time, plus Robot Santa with X-mas Story wasn't any help which I liked, that episode was banned for awhile.)

Shot if you hate Futurama so much why are you even here? And why do you if hate Futurama so much find yet the characters so hot like Leela & Amy?

i am simply expressing my opinion, and leela + amy happen to be sexy cartoon babes stuck in a crap show.

why isn't the post count displayed anymore btw? seems stupid to hide it insted of showing it like it used to be..
Shot
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« Reply #8 on: 02-07-2010 12:24 »

 SpaceCase, do u really think all that effort on that post was necessary on a poster like me?
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« Reply #9 on: 02-07-2010 12:28 »

He's right you know.
Rush

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« Reply #10 on: 02-07-2010 12:55 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2010 13:11 »

He's right you know.

Do you really think so?

SpaceCase, do u really think all that effort on that post was necessary on a poster like me?
And yet you double posted, well done why not edit your post next time? Why but effort into anything? Why did JRR Tolkien write The Lord Of The Rings with some effort, why do Humans do things against nature? Why why why! Are you going to be a great inventor/hero/leader and lead Humanity into a golden age into an intergalactic civilization some time in the future spread all across the universe in large and small colonies on planets near and far from Earth are home world without effort?

Many reasons, some we may never know.

1 reason is Fox is very republican and religious and mostly all white american woo-ha. (Futurama is very liberal; full of sci fi, jokes that are too hard for most of weak minded Humans on this Earth to get, really weird at times a lot of the time, plus Robot Santa with X-mas Story wasn't any help which I liked, that episode was banned for awhile.)

Shot if you hate Futurama so much why are you even here? And why do you if hate Futurama so much find yet the characters so hot like Leela & Amy?

i am simply expressing my opinion, and leela + amy happen to be sexy cartoon babes stuck in a crap show.

Very well then. If that how you view it, it is in your every right to do so.

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« Reply #11 on: 02-07-2010 14:14 »

i am simply expressing my opinion,

This really isn't the place for those kind of opinions. Join another forum.
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« Reply #12 on: 02-07-2010 16:31 »
« Last Edit on: 02-07-2010 17:11 »

I dunno, I like Shot.  He is the kind of guy that makes the rest of us look good.  Whenever he argues against something we stand for, we know we have picked the right side.

He is the jerk-meter, that we can qualify ourselves against.  Very practical.

So Shot, keep up the bad work.  Someone has to do it.

If anything, this thread at the very least got me working on our article on the subject; http://theinfosphere.org/Cancellation_of_Futurama
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« Reply #13 on: 02-08-2010 04:05 »

He's right you know.

Do you really think so?

Well why waste your good posts on a troll?
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« Reply #14 on: 02-08-2010 04:40 »

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1 reason is Fox is very republican and religious and mostly all white american


So, which one of those attributes would cause a person to want to cancel Futurama?  Is it being white, republican (you actually meant conservative, but whatever), or religious? 

Perhaps keep comments like that to yourself in the future, hmm?
Shot
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« Reply #15 on: 02-08-2010 08:29 »

He's right you know.

of course im right. all forums should display the post count so everybody can see it. i mean this site used to show the post count, why doesn't it now?

Do you really think so?

SpaceCase, do u really think all that effort on that post was necessary on a poster like me?
And yet you double posted, well done why not edit your post next time? Why but effort into anything? Why did JRR Tolkien write The Lord Of The Rings with some effort, why do Humans do things against nature? Why why why! Are you going to be a great inventor/hero/leader and lead Humanity into a golden age into an intergalactic civilization some time in the future spread all across the universe in large and small colonies on planets near and far from Earth are home world without effort?

Many reasons, some we may never know.

1 reason is Fox is very republican and religious and mostly all white american woo-ha. (Futurama is very liberal; full of sci fi, jokes that are too hard for most of weak minded Humans on this Earth to get, really weird at times a lot of the time, plus Robot Santa with X-mas Story wasn't any help which I liked, that episode was banned for awhile.)

Shot if you hate Futurama so much why are you even here? And why do you if hate Futurama so much find yet the characters so hot like Leela & Amy?

i am simply expressing my opinion, and leela + amy happen to be sexy cartoon babes stuck in a crap show.

Very well then. If that how you view it, it is in your every right to do so.


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« Reply #16 on: 02-08-2010 08:34 »
« Last Edit on: 02-08-2010 21:12 »

I think we're drifting off topic here.

I yeah still watch Futurama as I said before, I even listen/watch the commentaries.

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1 reason is Fox is very republican and religious and mostly all white american
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So, which one of those attributes would cause a person to want to cancel Futurama?  Is it being white, republican (you actually meant conservative, but whatever), or religious?  

Perhaps keep comments like that to yourself in the future, hmm?

Yeah you're right, except I am a caucasian male and born under a very religious background; catholic, the republic of Ireland it's government is (well the ones in now) are mostly republican, so in some ways I'm pointing the finger at myself (USA I'm sorry I think i was pointing at you too), but your right it was very unthoughtful of me despite me being of same the race, so I'm sorry.

He's right you know.

Do you really think so?

Well why waste your good posts on a troll?

Indeed why you're right. It was rather pointless of me.

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The reason Futurama stopped being made was not the choise of Groening, or any of the Futurama team, it was Rupert Murdoch (you know, that guys that owes too much of the media world - Fox, Sky, and the rest) said he didnt want any more made. I dont know why. But he clearly made the wrong decision!

I got this from Flixster. Tread link: http://www.flixster.com/news/2007/08/06/futurama-movie-comic-con-trailer-leaked-and-new-info

It might be true.
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« Reply #17 on: 02-10-2010 17:55 »
« Last Edit on: 02-10-2010 17:56 »

this show had every right to be canceled, i hope they stop producing the movies all together!  
You do realize that you're on a Futurama fan bulletinboard, don't you?  People come here because they like the series, to talk about the show & get to know others like them; ripping the reason for this bulletinboard's existence is the work of a moron.  This is not the place for you; try a futurama hating bulletinboard (if any exist), where you can hang out with your own kind...
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« Reply #18 on: 02-10-2010 18:55 »

This is a board for Futurama fans, not haters.  Unfortunetly for you, Shot, Futurama is coming back this summer with new episodes.  If you don't like it, there's always Sonic the Hedgehog, Two and a Half Men, and 30 Rock! 
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« Reply #19 on: 02-11-2010 08:12 »

Thank you I was starting to think I was the only one who doesn't like 30 Rock. It is the same show in every single episode. To answer Shot's question in another post "Why did Futurama get cancelled?" because shows like 30 Rock keep winning awards for pumping out the same old shit.
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« Reply #20 on: 02-11-2010 13:45 »

Now I won't scoop in to defend 30 Rock, even though I find it amusing, but your reasoning for Futurama being cancelled being other shows is both misguided and partially wrong.

Futurama was cancelled for a lot of reasons, but mainly FOX's treatment.  You see, Futurama has several problems compared to other shows, such as The Simpsons:

A.  It is not as simple to get into.
B.  It does not appeal to same size audience.
C.  It is far more expensive.

Don't come with shit arguments like politics and whatnot, that's Fox News, have you seen the junk they run on FOX?  All they care about is profit; so if the shows are a little too liberal, so be it.  As long as they get monies.

And that is exactly the problem, Futurama did not make up for the money spend on it (or at least, so FOX thought).  People regard FOX's own bad treatment as a major reason for its low viewership; and while this would most likely be true (I recommend reading our article on the matter (Cancellation of Futurama), even though it is not finished), it just shows FOX as once again be able to pre-emptive its shows and then later give the shows themselves the blame for their misfortune, like Firefly.

Why your comment about other shows is partially true, is because FOX felt they could get much more money out of a less expensive show with a broader viewing audience instead.  So Futurama got axed and some other reality show got in.

But hey, let's not turn this into a classic 'FOX sucks' thread.  I am sure they feel slightly embarrassed that it came back from the dead.
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« Reply #21 on: 02-11-2010 15:02 »

Now I won't scoop in to defend 30 Rock, even though I find it amusing, but your reasoning for Futurama being cancelled being other shows is both misguided and partially wrong.

Futurama was cancelled for a lot of reasons, but mainly FOX's treatment.  You see, Futurama has several problems compared to other shows, such as The Simpsons:

A.  It is not as simple to get into.
B.  It does not appeal to same size audience.
C.  It is far more expensive.

Don't come with shit arguments like politics and whatnot, that's Fox News, have you seen the junk they run on FOX?  All they care about is profit; so if the shows are a little too liberal, so be it.  As long as they get monies.

 
I agree if it was all about FOX being such a hard core conservatives they wouldn't have brought back Family Guy.  I mean look at the extreme racial, religious, and sexual satire there.  But when FOX peeped it's DVD sales going through the roof and noticed Adult Swim picking up their slack they caved and brought it back. It all about the money.  Also Futurama's humor does require a person to have some brain function to perceive......
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« Reply #22 on: 02-11-2010 18:56 »

im assuming because nobody watched it, there for fox didn't bothering ordering new seasons when the audience was so very low.

Why are we all sitting at our computers, typing about it then?

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leela & amy should get there own spin-off.  :flirt: 

Are you joking?
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« Reply #23 on: 02-11-2010 21:25 »

pay no attention to the idiot behind the curtain.  i'm glad it's coming back.  I watched every episode on Fox until it just disappeared.
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« Reply #24 on: 02-12-2010 08:16 »

Svip

I wasn't saying direct competition from other shows was what caused Futurama to be cancelled or that FOX cancelled it for any political reason. I was reffering to the fact that shows like 30 Rock appeal to a broader audience and are more easily consumed by the masses because their content is watered down. The same reasons we all love Futurama are the same reasons the show was cancelled. There are a lot of jokes that are understood and appreciated by a small portion of the population and others that only a handful of people in the world can grasp. As for your argument about the production costs for Futurama being much greater than 30 Rock if you take a look at production costs per episode you will find that 30 Rock costs at least as much to make per episode and most likely much more than Futurama.

I don't hate FOX. The network gave rise to 2 shows that have had a large influence on my sense of humor and have taken up a an inordinate amount of my time. If anything I am grateful for the many hours of free entertainment that they have given me. The network mishandled the show but having green lit 4 movies and a new production season shows that they are committed to making the show work.

You completely misinterpreted my comments and tried to turn that into a soapbox for your own opinions. Maybe if there were less fans out there like you who, try to browbeat and ridicule people into thinking as they think, intelligent shows like Futurama would be more accessible to more people.
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« Reply #25 on: 02-12-2010 09:19 »

The network mishandled the show but having green lit 4 movies and a new production season shows that they are committed to making the show work.

the FOX network didn't actually greenlight the movies or the new production season, 20th Century Fox greenlit the DVD movies and Comedy Central greenlit the new production season.
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« Reply #26 on: 02-12-2010 15:48 »

I wonder who Shot used to be...
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« Reply #27 on: 02-12-2010 17:41 »

Svip

I wasn't saying direct competition from other shows was what caused Futurama to be cancelled or that FOX cancelled it for any political reason. I was reffering to the fact that shows like 30 Rock appeal to a broader audience and are more easily consumed by the masses because their content is watered down. The same reasons we all love Futurama are the same reasons the show was cancelled.

That's an awful simplification.

There are a lot of jokes that are understood and appreciated by a small portion of the population and others that only a handful of people in the world can grasp. As for your argument about the production costs for Futurama being much greater than 30 Rock if you take a look at production costs per episode you will find that 30 Rock costs at least as much to make per episode and most likely much more than Futurama.

I never claimed Futurama was more expensive per episode than 30 Rock.  I was comparing it to The Simpsons, which would make more sense, as Futurama was part of FOX's animation line up together with The Simpsons among others.

I don't hate FOX. The network gave rise to 2 shows that have had a large influence on my sense of humor and have taken up a an inordinate amount of my time. If anything I am grateful for the many hours of free entertainment that they have given me. The network mishandled the show but having green lit 4 movies and a new production season shows that they are committed to making the show work.

The network green lit the 4 films or the new production season.  In fact, the network have so far expressed only little interest in the coming season.

You completely misinterpreted my comments and tried to turn that into a soapbox for your own opinions. Maybe if there were less fans out there like you who, try to browbeat and ridicule people into thinking as they think, intelligent shows like Futurama would be more accessible to more people.

My comment was directed to the thread as a whole.  For instance, I never claimed you made an assumption about FOX's political opinion, that was a comment on Rush's comments.  I may have used your post as a spring board, but your misinterpretation of my post as an intentional strike is far far from the truth.
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« Reply #28 on: 02-13-2010 00:37 »

You completely misinterpreted my comments and tried to turn that into a soapbox for your own opinions. Maybe if there were less fans out there like you who, try to browbeat and ridicule people into thinking as they think, intelligent shows like Futurama would be more accessible to more people.

My comment was directed to the thread as a whole.  For instance, I never claimed you made an assumption about FOX's political opinion, that was a comment on Rush's comments.  I may have used your post as a spring board, but your misinterpretation of my post as an intentional strike is far far from the truth.
That's right! If anything "I.C. Weiner" you should be angry at me I was the one out of order, and I said I was sorry in a post before this for it was very unthoughtful of me to make those comments. So I say sorry again.
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« Reply #29 on: 02-15-2010 10:01 »

Honestly Rush don't waste your time posting a differing opinion in these boards. You may as well bang your head against a wall. The people like svip who post day and night are always right and you are being a "troll", or ignorant, or you're just stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.

Case in point: Just read svip's diatribes about what I said before in this thread. "awful simplification, shit arguments, blah blah blah". I made a simple statement about not liking 30 Rock and all of a sudden it turns into a full paragraph diatribe about how wrong I am. The best thing you can do is read the news on CGEF and be happy the show is back on the air. The best way to take all of the fun out a the show is to start posting in here.
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« Reply #30 on: 02-15-2010 10:55 »

The people like svip who post day and night are always right and you are being a "troll", or ignorant, or you're just stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.

Dude, calm down. One user didn't like one opinion you posted and you're acting like every post you've ever made has been met with paragraph long diatribes telling you to kill yourself or something.
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« Reply #31 on: 02-15-2010 12:30 »

Honestly Rush don't waste your time posting a differing opinion in these boards. You may as well bang your head against a wall. The people like svip who post day and night are always right and you are being a "troll", or ignorant, or you're just stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.

Case in point: Just read svip's diatribes about what I said before in this thread. "awful simplification, shit arguments, blah blah blah". I made a simple statement about not liking 30 Rock and all of a sudden it turns into a full paragraph diatribe about how wrong I am. The best thing you can do is read the news on CGEF and be happy the show is back on the air. The best way to take all of the fun out a the show is to start posting in here.

So defending my position is claiming that you are a troll or some such?  I never called you a troll, neither Rush.  Hell, I wasn't the first to call out on Rush's comments about Fox's political views having no motivation for the cancellation.

I guess it boils down to this; you make a comment about other shows (happen to mention 30 Rock), I feel that I might as well share some of my personal views on the subject, you take that (given the timing) as an attack on your position and against your character (which still remains a misinterpretation of my original post) and now you refuse to defend your position, but rather attack my character directly.

I never called your arguments 'shitty' or something, I said you made an awful simplification of saying 'all the reasons Futurama got cancelled is all the reasons why we love it'.  It is not untrue, but far from the whole truth.  That's why I consider it an awful simplification and indeed a misunderstanding of the exact events that transpired into cancelling Futurama originally.

I come on this board being told often I am wrong, and I like that, because in most cases, the people who are telling me that I am wrong are providing me with information about why.  And it is all beneficial for me; I learn and I understand the subject better.

Would you have preferred if you were just spewing out nonsense and we all kept our mouths shut?
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« Reply #32 on: 02-15-2010 22:53 »
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I think Rupert Murdoch must of had a big part in it being canceled, as I kinda said before in this tread.

Honestly Rush don't waste your time posting a differing opinion in these boards. You may as well bang your head against a wall. The people like svip who post day and night are always right and you are being a "troll", or ignorant, or you're just stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh just grow up, my time is meaningless. People have the right to express their opinions as long as they are not inappropriate. Maybe I am a stupid idiot (being a slow learner) but that doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut. And I said I was sorry (which I ment by the way) for my "politics post", what more do you want?
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« Reply #33 on: 02-16-2010 07:05 »

Rush I don't have a problem with you or your posts you are just trying to have fun and talk about Futurama which is what I've always tried to do. I agree I think there were people at FOX that didn't like the idea of Matt Groening having another show and having all of the power and autonomy that he had. Either that or they hired their marketing department from a mail order bride catalog. I can also remember at the time that a lot of my friends who were Simpsons fans were kinda looking for a Simpsons 2.0 rather than something completely different. This could have played a role in FOX's inability to really find a time slot for the show.
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« Reply #34 on: 02-16-2010 13:04 »

Rush I don't have a problem with you or your posts you are just trying to have fun and talk about Futurama which is what I've always tried to do. I agree I think there were people at FOX that didn't like the idea of Matt Groening having another show and having all of the power and autonomy that he had. Either that or they hired their marketing department from a mail order bride catalog. I can also remember at the time that a lot of my friends who were Simpsons fans were kinda looking for a Simpsons 2.0 rather than something completely different. This could have played a role in FOX's inability to really find a time slot for the show.

Indeed.  That was not only what your friends thought, but even what FOX thought they were getting.  I assume it was the primary reason they even bothered to give him another show.

The Simpsons was (and still is) a success for FOX (they are not going to let that go any time soon), so when Matt Groening came about in 1998 saying he had an idea for another show, I am sure they thought 'another Simpsons?!  Can we have time slots for that?  And even if it doesn't sell, they money made from his other show won't keep it down'.

Now my initial suspicion about why they kept the show running for four production seasons was primarily due to its initial success, "Space Pilot 3000" was the most viewed television pilot for any FOX show at the time.  Indeed, Futurama is often 'sold' in newspapers and articles and advertisement as 'The Simpsons in space' (which is obviously a wrong assumption, but it certainly gets more viewers).

I have always wondered why Matt Groening needed another show.  What was wrong with The Simpsons?  I assume he felt he was loosing control.  The entire affair of "A Star Is Burns" is perhaps where his initial need for his 'own' show started.  I assume he quickly contacted David X. Cohen, who was a writer at the time for The Simpsons, to come up with ideas for a new show.

I don't need to explain to you how Futurama is different than The Simpsons.  But what is more importantly, it appears to me that Matt Groening has taken Futurama far more serious.  He appears on every commentary, he clearly has ideas inserted into every episode and it was obvious that he really cared about the show during the recasting ploy last summer.

FOX realised, however, too quickly that Futurama was not just a Simpsons 2.0.  It wasn't getting the 'expected viewership' and FOX was relentless with the show.  Hell, they never advertised for it.

I cannot remember which commentary it is (might have been "Bender Should Not Be Allowed on Television"), but I remember talking about how weird it was seeing an ad for Futurama on a bus.  Of course, not for Futurama on FOX, but Adult Swim.  A channel who with no doubt cares about the show.

So basically, I feel FOX felt they didn't get what they paid for.
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« Reply #35 on: 02-16-2010 19:08 »

From listening to the commentaries it has always seemed like Futurama was a passion project for Matt, David, and many of the other staff members. Like they were finally getting the show that they had all dreamed about when they were reading sci-fi books and playing D&D. That's probably why the DVD commentaries always have such a great panel of people from the show.

I think Matt is still passionate about the Simpsons but because the Simpsons turned into the juggernaut that it did he probably lost some of his influence. Also, Futurama started taking up a lot of his time because he and Cohen worked out all of the details including character design and overall theme well before the show was ever started production. Hopefully CC will give Futurama the autonomy that they have always given South Park so the writers can be free to be creative and uninhibited.
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« Reply #36 on: 02-23-2010 22:18 »

Fox hated Futurama from day one when they realized it wasn't gonna be like the Jetsons.
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« Reply #37 on: 02-24-2010 01:22 »

Fox hated Futurama from day one when they realized it wasn't gonna be like the Jetsons.

They hated The Simpsons too from day one.
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« Reply #38 on: 02-24-2010 22:07 »

Fox hated Futurama from day one when they realized it wasn't gonna be like the Jetsons.

They hated The Simpsons too from day one.

And here we are, 21 seasons later...
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« Reply #39 on: 02-24-2010 22:20 »

Fox hated Futurama from day one when they realized it wasn't gonna be like the Jetsons.

They hated The Simpsons too from day one.

And here we are, 21 seasons later...

They still hate it.  But it makes them money, and everyone thinks of The Simpsons when they think of Fox.

It should be no surprise that Married with Children and The Simpsons are the cornerstones of the modern Fox Network.  Without those two shows, the channel would never have survived as a network show.  Since Married with Children was abandoned in the late 90s, only The Simpsons remain.

The simple fact of the matter is that Fox has no idea what to do with The Simpsons.  They don't like it, but they cannot live without it.
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