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Svip
Administrator
DOOP Secretary
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You're just going around in circles!
Think, Svip, think. Everyone's depending on you!
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Gorky
DOOP Secretary
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Anyways, I'm kind of glad that they didn't use the original plot for the first episode of season 6. It sounds a bit strange, lol. I guess it would be okay for a later episode, but not the first episode of the season.
See, I thought that whole zoo thing sounded really cool; I'm actually disappointed that they decided to go in another direction. Hopefully they find a spot for a similar storyline somewhere along the line (although I'm not sure it would have the same impact (or make as much sense) if it didn't proceed the flight through the wormhole). At any rate, I trust that this heads-without-bodies concept will be equally cool...I'm just a little bummed that they chose it over what I feel sounded like a more original concept (although I will say that "Rebirth" looks to be a very memorable episode).
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Tedward
Professor
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I almost feel that the rebirth idea, if done well (which I'm sure it will be) and if it actually does signify some sort of new state of normalcy as at least Fistul and I hope beyond just the series itself being born anew (which is much less certain), is a better pilot idea than the zoo. However, I agree that the zoo idea should be used at some point, and it may well have been pretty bold and neat as well. After all, it may have taken them a while to get back to Earth and been almost like the episodes of wandering that some of us thought would occur (it seems like so long ago that those things were being posted...), and as DXC said in that footage posted earlier, Fry and Leela would have undergone forced mating. Now that would have been a huge jolt for their relationship!
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FistfulOAwesome
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« Reply #69 on: 10-10-2009 18:32 »
« Last Edit on: 10-10-2009 20:33 »
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Gorkenstein, initially I felt the same as you. I mean, the interdimensional zoo could have easily been on the other side of the wormhole and it would have been an easy way to pardon them of their fugitive status (they would have saved Zapp along with themselves, so they probably could have convinced him to drop the charges (say, with Kif going along to keep him convinced (that way, he's back under Zapp's employ))). But in hindsight, I've been arguing that Rebirth is far more brilliant for a first episode.
Thinking it over, there's nothing particularly heavy about the interdimensional zoo. It's a very funny idea, but I don't know where they'd fit far-reaching consequences or personal bits (you know what I mean) into the story. It sounds like a straight comedy episode, which is great, but for the return of the TV series seems kind of tame. It would be a safe way to return. It would be just another episode.
On the contrary, Rebirth sounds absolutely necessary. The crew (minus Fry and the Professor) is dead. That's a pretty important bit of story, to say the least! I mean, whoa! By setting it back on Earth, in the P.E. building, they've placed something heavy and a little sickening in what is supposed to be a safe and familiar setting. This lends the episode a much more immediate and important feeling against DXC's episode. I really want to give it to Matt on what seems like a good call (hopefully, it won't disappoint).
Rebirth doesn't sound throwaway. It sounds like a major episode, the kind us fans will hopefully point to as one of those special, deep episodes that we use to point out how affecting the series can be. It could almost be a turning point, representing a third era in Futurama (Era 1: S1-S4, Era 2: Movies "S5", Era 3: S6-S?). DXC's doesn't sound like it could have done that.
Let me put it another way: If they had gone with DXC's episode, do you think the footage shown at ASC would have been as shocking as the footage of Rebirth? Do you think it would have caused as much worry as it has (alright, mostly Tedward and me), but also as much excitement?
Seriously, I take the fact that I am worried as a good thing. I would have been excited for new Futurama no matter what they had shown, but only an episode like Rebirth could have made me rack my brain and think of all the ways it could go wrong, but how amazing it could be if they do this right. This episode freaking affects me (and I've only seen three minutes of it)! It's important.
I agree that the Zoo episode sounds great, too great to be tossed in the garbage. Hopefully the episode makes an appearance down the line, this or next season even. But when it does, I don't think it will be affecting. It'll be like Roswell, a great comedy episode (alright, Roswell actually did have far-reaching consequences, but just bear with me, would ya?), not so much an emotionally affecting episode.
Futurama is finally returning after 5 years and 10 months without a new TV episode broadcast. I applaud Matt (even if initially he wanted to do nothing) for suggesting such a radical, freaking affecting episode! Futurama returning is a big deal! Hopefully, Rebirth will prove it.
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Tedward
Professor
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Of course. I just meant that the forced mating, already strange and [probably] unwelcome, would have made things even more awkward once they got back to Earth.
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FistfulOAwesome
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Forced mating between F/L could be funny, but not now, not this early is their relationship. They are just truly beginning (hopefully), and it would have been awkward and uncomfortable for everyone (characters and viewers) to have to go through such a scene.
Oh man, could you imagine if the writers decided to take such a scene lightly? It would have been totally OOC if they had Fry start cracking jokes about how "Oh well, we have no choice, let's get busy!".
The scene could work when this episode makes it's appearance, but it would either have to be way down the line when F/L together is something that everyone is comfortable with (S8 *crosses fingers*?) or alternatively have the scene be Zapp and Leela, with her resisting his advances (although, the comic potential of Z/L seems like it'll be taken care of by 602).
Actually, consider the forced mating scene dead (when the episode makes its appearance). I don't think it could have worked and it would be unoriginal in the wake of 602 and uncomfortable period (that could be a catch phrase!) to do with F/L (even if they never mated).
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Tedward
Professor
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Oh, I wouldn't want to see that uncomfortable scenario happen; I'm glad that they're going in a different direction. It's just that some could consider that to be some sort of "progress" or something when it's really just weird and unnecessary.
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Svip
Administrator
DOOP Secretary
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...in the wake of 602 and uncomfortable period (that could be a catch phrase!) I... I wouldn't consider it a great catchphrase. Unless we're advertising feminine hygiene products.
Ah, Man! Why did women and their sick, blood letting ritual have to ruin the word period!? WHY ARE YOU SO SELFISH, WOMEN!?
Just like how Microsoft ruined the words "windows" and "genuine".
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