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Tedward

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« Reply #160 on: 10-16-2009 00:55 »

I'll take a shot at this one.

Yes, thanks. You've expressed our seemingly mutual hopes and opinions (and the precedents for them) regarding the new season and more potential story arcs (or established story arc continuation) quite well yet again.

Also, someone called me what sounded like either "Tedley" or "Teddily" earlier today. Feel free to use one of those as well.
Marcus
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« Reply #161 on: 10-16-2009 01:23 »

I know, and I'm thankful for all the greatness the writers have managed to do (I mean, look how much I care!) and I'm respectful of the balance between art and consumerism the writers have to deal with. I just want Futurama to be the very best that it can be, and I think my suggestions (because the writers totally read this board (do they? (Hi DXC! Love the show!))) would do just that. They would be able to appeal to older fans while still being self-contained enough to appeal to new ones. That way, everyone gets to appreciate Futurama on the level they are comfortable at. If any team of writers can do that, I hope it's this one.
I think we'd get locked in a very dull discussion if we went further; reasonable men can differ!
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #162 on: 10-16-2009 01:47 »

Wha? I thought I had made myself clear that great writing can accommodate for all types of fans. I don't see where we still differ (greatly enough that it would lock us in dull (a.k.a. long?) discussion)). You mind explaining? If you do, then good day to you sir!
Marcus
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« Reply #163 on: 10-16-2009 02:31 »

Continuity - 'ship respecting - humour and genres in a scifi sitcom - types of fans (i) new/old - types of fans (ii) comedy/ comedy drama/ drama comedy/ etc. - art and commercialism... We'd need to at least touch on all these points (just off the top of my head!) to discuss this properly, and I'm... not gonna! Ergo, I'll agree to disagree with both the formula for and the very hypothesis that 'great writing can accommodate all types of fans' that you present; it seems simpler that way! tongue
coldangel

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« Reply #164 on: 10-16-2009 03:03 »

Couldn't you say that about any sitcom?

I could, but I didn't. You wanna fight about it? I'm game.

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I've been arguing that it doesn't have to be this way.

But it is, and it will continue to be. Nothing you have to say will make any difference, therefor you're wasting your time and other people's by rehashing the same old points we were all making years ago.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #165 on: 10-16-2009 03:50 »
« Last Edit on: 10-16-2009 04:30 »

Continuity - 'ship respecting - humour and genres in a scifi sitcom - types of fans (i) new/old - types of fans (ii) comedy/ comedy drama/ drama comedy/ etc. - art and commercialism... We'd need to at least touch on all these points (just off the top of my head!) to discuss this properly, and I'm... not gonna! Ergo, I'll agree to disagree with both the formula for and the very hypothesis that 'great writing can accommodate all types of fans' that you present; it seems simpler that way! tongue

Fair enough.

I could, but I didn't. You wanna fight about it? I'm game.

I guess. I don't really feel like it right now (having made so many long posts in the past week). If you don't consider it a waste of your time (although it would be since you'd be arguing about this thing to some guy who has no effect on TV (aside from ratings/sales numbers)), post up something and I'll counter it within the next three days.

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But it is, and it will continue to be. Nothing you have to say will make any difference, therefor you're wasting your time and other people's by rehashing the same old points we were all making years ago.

At most, I'm wasting a couple of seconds of other peoples time since if they didn't like what I was saying or thought I was an idiot, they could simply ignore my post once they determined either of the previous two things. I am wasting a ton of my time, but internet arguing is fun for me, so I do it for jollies.

As for rehashing points, I probably am, but since I wasn't around for the previous discussions and neither were some of my "opponents", you can either waste your time involving yourself in old arguments, or you could simply let them play out (Joe Esposito sings: "History repeats itself...") between the newbies.
coldangel

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« Reply #166 on: 10-16-2009 06:09 »

post up something and I'll counter it within the next three days.

As always, I actually meant a swordfight.

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I do it for jollies.

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KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #167 on: 10-16-2009 19:56 »

I believe the only changes in the new Futurama coming will be that Fry and Leela will be together and they'll be in another alternate universe or something like that after going through the wormhole.

Not worried about any changes that will ruin the show, thus is what this thread is about.  Hopefully, we'll get to see that the Green Age is like. 
Svip

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« Reply #168 on: 10-16-2009 20:02 »

[...] they'll be in another alternate universe or something like that after going through the wormhole.

We already know they won't.
Nixons Head

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« Reply #169 on: 10-16-2009 20:05 »

KurtPikachu2001, I suggest you watch the preview for the upcoming season or retreat to a spoiler free zone.
Chug a Bug

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« Reply #170 on: 10-17-2009 10:10 »
« Last Edit on: 10-17-2009 10:21 »

I am wasting a ton of my time, but internet arguing is fun for me, so I do it for jollies.

But for me I simply don't have the time to make long, involved posts. Fair enough, you make a previous point that mine are opinions not backed up by much in the way of argument, and you're right in that at least.

Continuity - 'ship respecting - humour and genres in a scifi sitcom - types of fans (i) new/old - types of fans (ii) comedy/ comedy drama/ drama comedy/ etc. - art and commercialism... We'd need to at least touch on all these points (just off the top of my head!) to discuss this properly, and I'm... not gonna! Ergo, I'll agree to disagree with both the formula for and the very hypothesis that 'great writing can accommodate all types of fans' that you present; it seems simpler that way! tongue

At most, I'm wasting a couple of seconds of other peoples time since if they didn't like what I was saying or thought I was an idiot, they could simply ignore my post once they determined either of the previous two things.

But people shouldn't stay silent if they disagree, because if they don't then one voice becomes dominant and people accept it as "truth" or "fact", whereas in fact it's simply opinion. Even if their posts aren't as intimidatingly wordy... tongue

FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #171 on: 10-17-2009 17:47 »
« Last Edit on: 10-20-2009 21:43 »

But people shouldn't stay silent if they disagree, because if they don't then one voice becomes dominant and people accept it as "truth" or "fact", whereas in fact it's simply opinion. Even if their posts aren't as intimidatingly wordy... tongue

True. No one should ever be considered the One True Voice. There should always be some opposition, if only to call into question the One's words.

On that note, I appreciate some opposition. You, for example, have been able to get me to put out my views clearly for anyone who's interested by simply disagreeing with a few things I said, in nothing more than a few sentences. I've been forced to back up everything I said, and in the process I've made my feelings known to everyone, including myself. Thank you.

Now, I know what you're talking about when you say you don't want what I say to be 100% accepted as truth (just cause I'm wordier a.k.a. louder than you), so let me make something clear that my very wordy posts might not have: I like Leela. I like her outside of relationship dealings with Fry. She's an interesting character in her own right. I do not think ill of her.

My main argument about Leela is that she rarely got a fair shake to explain her side. The majority of the episodes focused on Fry, and thus his point of view was given more screen time than hers (hmm. So Fry's voice became... dominant.). Our conflicting opinions exist because the writers didn't make it clear enough which way her feelings swayed (I've been arguing that the episodes still tipped it toward the love side, but I'll try to remain impartial here). I don't think you'll disagree with me on that (i.e. Leela should have been given more screen time).

My hope is that the next seasons episodes don't treat Leela's feelings on her relationship with Fry as auxiliary as some previous episodes did. She will be invested in the relationship as much as Fry, so her thoughts on it should be given equal time (it kinda sounds like they are, since the first episode will focus on Fry (because of the dead crew), while the second episode will focus on Leela (because of her being stranded with Zapp)). I think we can both agree on that.

                                          BACK TO MATT

Alright, you all remember this post I wrote about me being unsure if Matt is good or not for Futurama?- http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17870.msg1069898#msg1069898

Well, I originally ended by giving him the benefit of the doubt, but that may be called into question again with this- http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-13/when-homer-wont-take-your-call/full/

The post (which uses samples from a book written by the writer) states that Matt didn't have any real involvement in the creative process of the most brilliant years of The Simpsons, and some of his ideas were bad enough for Sam Simon to flat-out call him out on them. Groening may have created the series, but it states that the real powers behind the series were Sam Simon and the assembled team of writers. This doesn't sound too off from what I know of Futurama's development. I always knew that David X. was the series's "real daddy", even if Matt was instrumental in its creation. Hell, the three episodes Matt has a writing credit on (101, 601, 602) were done with DXC.

I'm not trying to gang up on Matt here. He seems like a nice guy in the commentaries, and inviting DXC to go to that simulated weightlessness thing (from the ITWGY extras) suggests that he and DXC are friends. But the bits from the book present in the post seem to suggest to me that Matt is a lot like George Lucas: They can both come up with great ideas (specifically beginnings), but they need someone else to flesh them out (and fail miserably if they try themselves).

What I'm getting at is that I'm not sure how much Matt has really changed from his days on The Simpsons. I think he may still be the idea (i.e. beginnings) man rather than the anything else man. So while I've become very supportive of Rebirth, I'm hoping the actual episode was mostly written by DXC and the other writers rather than actually written by Matt and David (I have a feeling Matt's writing credits mostly just meant he was present in the brainstorming and didn't have much to do with the actual writing anyway). Sounds harsh, but I'm being honest.

                                       BACK TO SPECULATION

So, when the Rebirth footage was released, a couple of commenters guessed that the crew's deaths was some way of ridding them of their fugitive status. My question is, how? Is it because of Zapp being "dead" along with them? That wouldn't make sense. Zapp is only the enforcer, he doesn't make the law. Legally the crew would still be fugitives. Is it because they would have "died" and thus wouldn't legally be the same people (sort-of like how Nixon's Head was able to run for election). That doesn't make much sense either, since Fry and The Professor are still alive (and Bender too, probably) and thus they would still be up for trial, plus, as I've said before, if that's all they wanted there would have been much simpler, quicker solutions that wouldn't take up an entire episode.

I'm just saying, when I think about it I don't know how being "reborn" would actually, legally get the crew off the hook. Maybe the fugitive thing has been reset (not that I mind. It certainly seems less important compared to the episode's more important events).
MightyBooshFan91

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« Reply #172 on: 10-21-2009 18:34 »

                                          BACK TO MATT

I think that as the show has been doing very well so far without him really doing much (that we know of), I don't particularly want him to start meddling or demanding that his ideas get used. Especially not if this would lower the quality.

But then as you say, he may be supplying the ideas but not be very good at writing the actual scripts.

Either way, so long as the show is still hilarious and doesn't come back cruder, less funny & with outright rubbish stories like a certain other reborn animated comedy, I don't mind what he does. As you say DXC is the "real" daddy of the show.

 
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They'll probably just handwave with it some explanation that as they saved "25-star General Zapp Brannigan" from death and also saved the Universe from the dark one, the crew gets a full pardon.

Not a great idea but it'd do...
Go-a-Green-a

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« Reply #173 on: 10-22-2009 00:53 »
« Last Edit on: 10-22-2009 00:57 »

I wish they would think up a better way then that to give the crew a pardon but it is the fastest way (Other then pushing the damn reset). I never really thought about how they'd get out of that mess. Maybe they (the writers) think we won't mind if they just "Excuse" that part.... But I sure as hell hope they don't.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #174 on: 10-22-2009 01:20 »

To be fair, what else could they do? The crew were tried and found guilty in Supreme Court. A pardon is pretty much the only way to go (other than ignore it).
coldangel

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« Reply #175 on: 10-22-2009 01:46 »

They died. The dead are not subject to living justice, as per the Zombie act of 2765.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #176 on: 10-22-2009 19:28 »

I don't see how Bender could die.   Since there's going to be an episode sometime down the road about the events of ITWGY, maybe they will get pardoned. 
Svip

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« Reply #177 on: 10-22-2009 19:38 »

I don't see how Bender could die.   Since there's going to be an episode sometime down the road about the events of ITWGY, maybe they will get pardoned. 

Pardoned?  For what?  By who?
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #178 on: 10-22-2009 21:10 »

I don't see how Bender could die.   Since there's going to be an episode sometime down the road about the events of ITWGY, maybe they will get pardoned. 

Pardoned?  For what?  By who?

For breaking the Feministas out of jail, who were found guilty of Protecting the Environment and Manslaughter of The Headless Body of Agnew. They (the crew) would have to be pardoned by Nixon's Head, who as President of Earth has the authority to pardon them (not to forget he was among the testifiers and he sent Zapp to arrest them in the first place).

Actually, that makes me remember something that would support the idea that the crew needs to be pardoned (if the writers care enough to close off that niggling detail): What about the other Feministas? Even if we accept that being "reborn" somehow gets the crew off the hook (if that's anywhere close to what will happen), that still won't get the other Feministas off the hook (which includes Linda, if we need to bring in a Feminista who isn't a P.E. crew member who is important to the show). I actually don't care that much (there are certainly more important things to be taken care of in the first episode), but Cubert will (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/rants/index.shtml).
speedracer
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« Reply #179 on: 10-25-2009 23:55 »

Isn't Zapp's skeleton one of those shown in the new animatic?  Presumably resurrecting him would be enough to get the PE crew pardoned.  Unless it isn't.
Go-a-Green-a

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« Reply #180 on: 10-26-2009 01:28 »

I thought that the crew's memories (Including Zapp's) would have been blanked like Fry's was when they crashed.
Tedward

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« Reply #181 on: 10-26-2009 01:34 »

Zapp's memory might be affected, but practically the entire cast of characters witnessed the start of the chase...
Go-a-Green-a

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« Reply #182 on: 10-26-2009 01:39 »

That's the problem. A pardon is really the only way to go....
Tedward

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« Reply #183 on: 10-26-2009 01:54 »
« Last Edit on: 10-26-2009 02:03 »

And yet again, this pardoning business is an example of something that in theory shouldn't be that difficult to do, but there is still the possibility that both the fugitive and Feminista situations will just be ignored and reset...which they really shouldn't be. There could be a pardon (or maybe something even better) to explain these things. I actually like the whole "they were officially dead" theory (since it's simple enough and it can very well be directly a part of the Rebirth episode as far as we know), but Fry and the Professor survived, so there do need to be some additional actions taken to restore the status quo but still be true to continuity.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #184 on: 10-26-2009 03:50 »
« Last Edit on: 10-26-2009 04:24 »

[Randy's voice]speedracer's back![/Randy's voice]

Anyway, the very fact that they mentioned the fugitive thing seems to suggest that they will pardon the crew (Well, they also needed it for the episode's main plotline, but still). They probably won't mention the Feministas, so I guess we'll just have to assume that whatever pardon they get includes the rest of the Feministas and gets them pardoned as well.

Really, I'm just trying to think how much the writers care to bring in that the episode takes place after ITWGY. Fans will know of the events of the movie, but the writers have to take into account new viewers and the episode being played stand-alone in reruns (both of which will be seen by some viewer who hasn't watched ITWGY). The best thing to do might be just to mention the rest of the events of ITWGY in a blurb fashion (sort-of like how The Why Of Fry mentioned The Day The Earth Stood Stupid and Roswell That Ends Well to explain Fry's missing delta brain wave) and then continue on appropriately (whether it be pardoning for reviving Zapp (nobody else is corrupt enough to serve as Nixon's attack dog), not being prosecuted because they "died", pardoning for saving the Encyclopod (this one seems the best since it incorporates the still living Fry, Professor, and maybe Bender along with the Feministas), or something completely different).

Despite what I said, I'm wondering if a pardon is really the best thing for the episode's plotline. While I certainly don't want the fugitive thing glossed over, I also don't want it taking some center stage away from the more important rebirth's of the crew. I guess this is something I'm going to have to trust the writers handled well.
Go-a-Green-a

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« Reply #185 on: 10-26-2009 04:48 »

Nobody really WANTS it to be explained with a pardon. It's just the easiest way to excuse everything (A.K.A: Reset).
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #186 on: 11-03-2009 19:11 »

Whether or not it gets resetted, I'll be fine with either.  I doubt it will get resetted.   Here's something to think about:  Remember when BBS first came out and there were rumors that there was going to be a fifth movie and in it Leela discovers she has a sister? 

Could this be a possible plot for some of the new episodes coming?
iceiwynd

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« Reply #187 on: 11-03-2009 19:53 »

The only fifth movie rumour I remember is that Amy/Leela thing.

I sincerely hope that the Futurama writing staff remains above something so trite as a surprise sister. Not to mention just how badly that would fuck with Leela's Homeworld; not in a plot sense, but right down to its emotional core.
Freako

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« Reply #188 on: 11-03-2009 22:46 »

The only fifth movie rumour I remember is that Amy/Leela thing.

That was a prank by the Madhouse
iceiwynd

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« Reply #189 on: 11-03-2009 22:53 »

I know.

It still counted as a rumour, though, didn't it?
Freako

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« Reply #190 on: 11-03-2009 22:56 »

No.
Future Shock

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« Reply #191 on: 11-04-2009 09:34 »

The Rebirth thing is most likely the crew becoming 're-born' like cloned by the Professor or something after they all died in the crash. Doy!
Jezzem

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« Reply #192 on: 11-04-2009 10:15 »

Really? You think that the title might be referencing something we've been speculating about for several pages? Doy!
Future Shock

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« Reply #193 on: 11-05-2009 23:46 »

They were talking about the whole re-set. Nobody's raised the point I made. Or did I miss something?
Freako

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« Reply #194 on: 11-05-2009 23:56 »

Really? You think that the title might be referencing something we've been speculating about for several pages? Doy!

You're a freakin' genious, ya idiot!
Tedward

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« Reply #195 on: 11-06-2009 00:03 »
« Last Edit on: 11-06-2009 00:04 »

They were talking about the whole re-set. Nobody's raised the point I made. Or did I miss something?

Unfortunately, you may have missed a lot of things. There's been talk of the rebirth as far back as the last quarter or so of the previous speculation thread when the storyboard animatic of the first few minutes of the Rebirth episode was shown. The subsequent pages of that thread and the pages so far of this one were then filled with all sorts of speculations and hopes and expectations, but yes, the implications of this "rebirth" of the characters are still not entirely clear.

Really? You think that the title might be referencing something we've been speculating about for several pages? Doy!

You're a freakin' genious, ya idiot!

Yo, this guy's some sort of Futurama Freak. He's got Freako-like strength. He needs a nickname, right? Let's call him Clamps.
Future Shock

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« Reply #196 on: 11-06-2009 12:25 »

...the implications of this "rebirth" of the characters are still not entirely clear.

Exactly. But I think it was quite clear that
The Rebirth thing is most likely the crew becoming 're-born' like cloned by the Professor or something after they all died in the crash.

I mean how else would they come alive?

Also, it would be a good idea if when they woke up, Leela didn't remember Fry. That would be a really good storyline.
Freako

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« Reply #197 on: 11-06-2009 13:37 »
« Last Edit on: 11-06-2009 13:41 by Futurama_Freak1 »

Also, it would be a good idea if when they woke up, Leela didn't remember Fry. That would be a really good storyline.

Like many other things in your life, you're alone on this.
Tedward

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« Reply #198 on: 11-06-2009 16:38 »

...the implications of this "rebirth" of the characters are still not entirely clear.

Exactly. But I think it was quite clear that
The Rebirth thing is most likely the crew becoming 're-born' like cloned by the Professor or something after they all died in the crash.

I mean how else would they come alive?

Oh, I wasn't saying that the rebirth didn't refer to the characters (as well as the series, I suppose); I think that pretty much all of us are expecting that the characters' bodies (and possibly lives, if they are in fact "dead") will be remade in some way or another. One of the concerns (as at least FistfulOAwesome and I were seeing it earlier in the threads) is whether or not the crew being "reborn" in whatever way it turns out to be will make things different in some way, not necessarily changing the dynamic of the show since we'd expect things to be back to normal by the end, but just having some sort of longer-lasting implications for the characters in the future. Like Fistful was saying, it seems a bit too bold for the characters to have been brought back in such a disturbing way when there could have been a number of less jarring ways for the crew to get back to Earth after ITWGY.

Also, it would be a good idea if when they woke up, Leela didn't remember Fry. That would be a really good storyline.

Well, there was also speculation about whether Leela will remember her feelings for Fry and the events of ITWGY, so you might not be too terribly far off.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #199 on: 11-06-2009 18:57 »
« Last Edit on: 11-06-2009 19:03 »

Their memories being blanked out doesn't sound like such a bad idea.   So when all the 'dead' characters get re-birthed, they won't remember anything?   Sounds like a good storyline. 
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