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yb125
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« on: 03-06-2009 01:57 »

http://i.gizmodo.com/5163848/futuramas-creator-isnt-afraid-of-robots-doesnt-own-a-roomba

He makes a reference to "one sentence" about Frys Orgins that super fans will have to find.  Any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: 03-06-2009 02:05 »

Nibbler's reference to Leela being "The Other", made in 'The Why of Fry'.
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« Reply #2 on: 03-06-2009 02:25 »

Nibbler's reference to Leela being "The Other", made in 'The Why of Fry'.
I always thought of Leela being "the other" was a reference to Yoda's reassurance to Obi-Won in The Empire Strikes Back, that there was still hope.  It is widely regarded that Yoda referred to Leia, given how she was Luke's sister and all (hope I didn't ruin the film for you).

So one could argue that, if, Leela is "the other", why is she also a hope for the Nibblonians?  She doesn't lack the Delta Brainwave (as clear evident from "The Day the Earth Stood Stupid").

Are the writers trying to suggest that they are - by wide oddity - related?

Additionally, I don't see how it is of much relevance to Fry's origin, unless of course, they are related.
yb125
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« Reply #3 on: 03-06-2009 02:28 »

I too thought of that line but it seemed to easy, and not really having anything to do with Frys orgin. But it was never properly explained, and nibs did say that the universe would need Fry again.
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« Reply #4 on: 03-06-2009 03:20 »

They aren't just talking about his orgin they're talking about what lead him to the future and how it's part of his whole "Mighty One" destiny. I'd say "the Other" fits into that pretty well.
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« Reply #5 on: 03-06-2009 04:38 »

Are the writers trying to suggest that they are - by wide oddity - related?

My head just exploded.

(For the record, I agree with what Frisco said, although your theory has merit, Svip. It just kills my shippy little soul is all. And anyway, I think that an episode that begins with Fry asking Leela out on a date, has an interlude where Fry sacrifices his life in the year 2000 to save Leela, and ends in a nice little smooch, is implying that the ship itself is essential to the fate of the universe. Nibbler even promises to help Fry romance Leela, what with the flower and all.)
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« Reply #6 on: 03-06-2009 04:43 »

I doubt that they'd be related because the test Fry took in the pilot said Farnsworth was his only relative. Plus it would ruin the show for everyone who wants Fry and Leela to be together...
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« Reply #7 on: 03-06-2009 06:01 »

That would be jumping the shark, lighting it on fire, dropping it out of a 58 story building and firing an ICBM at it.
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« Reply #8 on: 03-06-2009 06:15 »

That happened to me once.
'Course folk were tougher in those days. I was jitterbugging the very next night.
yb125
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« Reply #9 on: 03-06-2009 06:55 »

Well this interveiw http://io9.com/5165221/if-futurama-comes-back-whats-next-for-planet-express?skyline=true&s=x Suggest that it is the "the other" line. Which is disappointing cause it doesn't take a super fan to figure that one out, or maybe I am one and just didn't realize.
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« Reply #10 on: 03-06-2009 07:02 »

Nah, you aren't.
I am, because I can lift and throw a family sedan.
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« Reply #11 on: 03-06-2009 15:55 »

Hey, I was just suggesting a little comedy!  I am just saying, "the other" line is going to be hard to explain, even in a reasonable manner without going obscure.

Cause it sort of hints that there is a relation between Fry and Leela that needs to be uncanny.  But hey, what you know?

Also, for those who think Fry and Leela really will get back together, don't get your hopes up, part of the whole relationship between those two are not that they are together, but that they are not together.
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« Reply #12 on: 03-06-2009 20:08 »

Suggest that it is the "the other" line. Which is disappointing cause it doesn't take a super fan to figure that one out, or maybe I am one and just didn't realize.

It's more obscure than you think. People who haven't seen the episode ten times and/or been on the internet wouldn't think twice about it.

Also, for those who think Fry and Leela really will get back together, don't get your hopes up, part of the whole relationship between those two are not that they are together, but that they are not together.

You have seen ITWGY right?
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« Reply #13 on: 03-06-2009 20:12 »

Also, for those who think Fry and Leela really will get back together, don't get your hopes up, part of the whole relationship between those two are not that they are together, but that they are not together.

You have seen ITWGY right?

I have.  And while I have not been in a relationship myself, I have the understanding that "breaking up" is not widely that uncommon.

I am saying that the relationship will somehow be "nullified" or "annulled".  Cause I like Fry as the desperate character, not as the one who has success.
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« Reply #14 on: 03-06-2009 20:24 »

Also, for those who think Fry and Leela really will get back together, don't get your hopes up, part of the whole relationship between those two are not that they are together, but that they are not together.

You have seen ITWGY right?

I have.  And while I have not been in a relationship myself, I have the understanding that "breaking up" is not widely that uncommon.

I am saying that the relationship will somehow be "nullified" or "annulled".  Cause I like Fry as the desperate character, not as the one who has success.

I'm sorry, but you'd rather they keep beating a dead horse than to allow the relationship to progress? its been 10 years in the future (Dec. 31,2999-3009). They technically have never been in a real dating relationship, they might have gone out once or twice, and did end up married for an unknown period of time during the events of TKOS, but its time to move the relationship forward, and they have done that in ITWGY finally.

        If/when the series resumes, if they basically reset things back to the status quo they will likely ruin the series by driving the dedicated Fry/Leela shippers to abandon the program, as well as to annoy everyone else who just wanted to see some sort of resolution to the matter so that they can move on with other aspects of character development/ stories. If however it is allowed to flourish it need never be the primary focus throughout most of the episodes, but be sort of secondary to the main plots.
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« Reply #15 on: 03-06-2009 21:04 »
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I have.  And while I have not been in a relationship myself, I have the understanding that "breaking up" is not widely that uncommon.

It happens, but not often in a relationship where there is genuine mutual attraction and where both persons have risked their lives and sacrificed their dreams for each other on multiple occasions over the course of 9+ years.
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« Reply #16 on: 03-06-2009 21:11 »

I am saying that the relationship will somehow be "nullified" or "annulled".  Cause I like Fry as the desperate character, not as the one who has success.

Fair enough--Fry's loserly nature has provided the show with plenty of great stories and gags. I'm not opposed to the desperation, but I'm also not a fan of its corollary: lovelorn Fry. One of my (only) complaints about BBS is that Fry basically spends a good 90 minutes complaining about how he can't have Leela. He whines and mopes and goes so far as to attempt sabotaging her wedding. Granted,  he redeems himself in the end by doing what will make Leela happy, not what will make him happy, but that doesn't excuse his more pathetic behavior over the Lars thing.

Basically, I'm sick of the chase. For as touching as it is to see how much Fry loves Leela--and as heartbreaking yet moving it is when he fails to win her heart--there's only so much the writers can do with that aspect of their relationship. If Leela were to reject Fry even after the events of ItWGY, it just negates all the development we've seen in her feelings for Fry since, let's say, season four. Plus, it makes her look like an ice-cold bitch, which isn't something you want your female protagonist to be.

Also, what suss6052 said.
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« Reply #17 on: 03-06-2009 21:18 »

Also, for those who think Fry and Leela really will get back together, don't get your hopes up, part of the whole relationship between those two are not that they are together, but that they are not together.

You have seen ITWGY right?

I have.  And while I have not been in a relationship myself, I have the understanding that "breaking up" is not widely that uncommon.

I am saying that the relationship will somehow be "nullified" or "annulled".  Cause I like Fry as the desperate character, not as the one who has success.

I'm sorry, but you'd rather they keep beating a dead horse than to allow the relationship to progress? its been 10 years in the future (Dec. 31,2999-3009). They technically have never been in a real dating relationship, they might have gone out once or twice, and did end up married for an unknown period of time during the events of TKOS, but its time to move the relationship forward, and they have done that in ITWGY finally.

        If/when the series resumes, if they basically reset things back to the status quo they will likely ruin the series by driving the dedicated Fry/Leela shippers to abandon the program, as well as to annoy everyone else who just wanted to see some sort of resolution to the matter so that they can move on with other aspects of character development/ stories. If however it is allowed to flourish it need never be the primary focus throughout most of the episodes, but be sort of secondary to the main plots.

And I see your point.  But all in Fry's character is not as simple as just the Fry/Leela relationship, it is also the fact Fry doesn't have a girlfriend, something that sparks plots in "How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back" or "The Cryonic Woman".

I was always under the impression that the married Fry-1/Leela-1 in "The Farnsworth Parabox" was a method of teasing fans of the show, as well as fans of this relationship by showing them what it could have been, but wasn't.

So maybe they don't break up, but I doubt very much the writers are going to leave this relationship subtle.  And I don't think it will be pretty either.  Maybe it's time to bring back Michelle.

@Gorky:  I agree, this relationship thing isn't really entirely my cup of tea, and one excuse to keep subtle or in the background would get approval from me.  But I find it hard to believe that some aspect of Fry's character won't change.  Let's hope it is for better.

It's sort of like how they changed Uranus to Urectum and now they cannot make any Uranus jokes!
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« Reply #18 on: 03-06-2009 21:40 »

Fry is not a static character, (ignoring for the moment the fact that the first two movies set about undoing most of the advancement in character development to start over again), and has changed subtlety throughout the course of the original series. The third movie was a romp into fantasy land and therefore had no strong impact on the characters apart from revealing something fairly obvious, that Igner was really Farnsworth and Mom's Son.  If however there had only been the one movie, ITWGY it would have flowed much nicer with the ending of the original series.

Just because they might be in a relationship doesn't mean they can't continue to quarrel over deliveries, or have to match wits with the boundless lack of wit that is Zapp Brannigan, or finally finding out what Leela's true role as the "other" is. In essence the show doesn't have to change that much even if Fry no longer has to keep depressingly chasing after that which he could not have.

 
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« Reply #19 on: 03-07-2009 09:12 »

I agree with suss6052 also. The Fry/Leela being together thing wouldn't ruin the show because it wouldn't really have to be a main focus in the show and it wouldn't really have to make Fry or Leela's character change to something completely different... Pretty much what I'm trying to say is that it wouldn't really have that much impact on the show itself anyway...
yb125
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« Reply #20 on: 03-08-2009 18:16 »

Except now Leela can use sex to encourage better hygiene in Fry. The only pass I gave her on not dating him was his addmitence to no washing and brushing his teeth.
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