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PEE Poll: what is you favourite movie?
beast with a billion backs   -27 (11.3%)
benders game   -36 (15%)
benders big score   -81 (33.8%)
into the wild green yonder   -96 (40%)
Total Voters: 240

dudette9507

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« Reply #320 on: 09-23-2009 17:07 »

My fave is ITWGY!!!!!!!
turanga leela

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« Reply #321 on: 09-28-2009 12:13 »

benders big score
willsterdude3000

Starship Captain
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« Reply #322 on: 09-28-2009 18:14 »

These are my favourites from best ever down
1. Bender's big score
2.ITWGY
3. Bender's game
4. The beast with a billion backs
hobbitboy

Sir Rank-a-Lot
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« Reply #323 on: 09-29-2009 12:42 »

I concurr.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #324 on: 09-30-2009 20:00 »

Would this have been a better plot for ITWGY? 

Try this on for size:  instead of Leo Wong being the villain, how about Santa Claus and the Robot Devil are the villains who want to build a space golf course?   Leo built Mars Vegas and gets kidnapped by Santa Claus and the Robot Devil who take it over.    Only they allow robots and not humans to play on it.  Outraged, Fry and Leela join the Legion of Mad Followers to protest against the golf course and to save the star.  Bender goes back to joining the League of Robots and they tell him to infiltrate Santa Claus and the Robot Devil's golf course scheme and pretend to join them.   The Mad Followers are the protesters that try to mess up the Robot Devil and Santa Claus in the same fashion the Feministas did to Leo. 


Then it becomes a robots vs humans thing, rather than a men vs women thing. 
And Fry gets attacked by the Dark One instead of Leela. 

Then later on Zapp who's ordered by Nixon goes after the Legion of Mad Followers who capture the League of Robots, then Bender gets his revenege by joining Zapp and having Fry and the Mad Followers arrested and Leela gets herself arrested on purpose to help them escape.  Once they escape, the Robot Devil and Santa Claus tell Bender to blow up the star, then Fry and Leela stop them then the Green Age comes.  The encyclopod pardons Fry, Leela, and the Mad Followers and Zapp gives up and is disgraced.  Then they all go back to Planet Express and have a party for another victory done!  Also, Hermes and Amy can join the Mad Followers, too.   Fry and Leela still get together at the end.   And they all have a Green Age county fair to celebrate. 


Would that have been better? 
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #325 on: 09-30-2009 20:18 »

STFU!!!
Svip

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #326 on: 09-30-2009 20:20 »

Wow, that plot made no sense.

Why the fuck would the Robot Devil or Robot Santa build a giant miniature golf course?!
lilkitten29

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« Reply #327 on: 10-01-2009 03:57 »

I prefer the original plot, thanks.


Anyways I can't decide which movie I like better: Beast with a Billion Backs or Bender's Game. Maybe it's a tie between the two. But I definetly like ITWGY the best, followed by Bender's Big Score.
Rhodan

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« Reply #328 on: 10-04-2009 16:43 »
« Last Edit on: 10-04-2009 16:54 »

IŽm torn between BWABB and ITWGY, formar being probably the funniest one of the four but having very bad ending, the later not being something extra exactly but at the same time having the most consisent atmosphere and working well both as movie and as episodes and it had something all cartoon movies should have, scenes in woman prison -  IŽll go with that one at the end.
Aki

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« Reply #329 on: 10-05-2009 00:38 »

I've only seen Yonder once, I'm afraid, but I still think I like Bender's Big Score the most. It's funny, epic and really feels like a feature and not a long episode. I really like Yonder as well, but not as much - BBS is one big story, Yonder is fifty put together.
LobsterMooch
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« Reply #330 on: 10-08-2009 20:44 »

I picked ITWGY but BBS was almost as good.
I think that none looked good as a series of episodes.
This episode thing must have surely been because of Fox not wanting to cough up "movie money" and was content with "episode money".
To tell you how popular BWABB was there is a seller on ebay that sells dvds.He has 218 copies of it and has had for quite some time.Possibly it could be the largest  unsold supply of this title in the world.
Who knows, or cares for that matter.
Darkking

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« Reply #331 on: 10-16-2009 21:58 »

Mine is  Into the Wild green yonder .. it was great movie ...just saw it yesterday... laff
Go-a-Green-a

Bending Unit
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« Reply #332 on: 10-17-2009 01:53 »

I saw it yesterday also... only it was for the tenth time.
Nixons Head

Bending Unit
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« Reply #333 on: 10-17-2009 02:06 »

I've only seen it about 3 times but i've listened to the audio commentary about 5 times.
Go-a-Green-a

Bending Unit
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« Reply #334 on: 10-17-2009 02:17 »

Ten times including audio commentary....
lavalamp247

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« Reply #335 on: 10-27-2009 00:03 »

I like ITWGY because it is the most interesting second BG because it was different than all four third BWABB I really like this one but I hate that whole Bender doesnt fall in love with Yivo and go to heaven and fourth BBS because it was not that well written it explained a lot of things but it had nothing to do with the title I still liked it but.... 
Go-a-Green-a

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« Reply #336 on: 10-27-2009 01:32 »

It's alright to complain about something here. That's what the internet is for. BWABB wasn't really Futurama. Fry was to far out of character and the last part of the movie didn't have enough jokes. Also, the ending was kind of dissapointing.

ITWGY was a really good one. It was well paced, the ending was good and there was lots of jokes. I didn't really see that many problems with it. It was just good ol' Futurama.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #337 on: 10-27-2009 02:37 »

I liked ITWGY the best and BBS a close second.....but I'm having a tough time deciding which is better: BWABB or BG. I thought the first hour of BG was okay, it was pretty funny and it seemed almost like the old Futurama, but i'm sorry to say this, the last half hour just ruined it for me. The jokes were really lame..there were just some parts of that last half hour that almost made me feel embarrassed for watching it (argh! why did they have put Teletubbies in this movie?).
And for BWABB..I thought it was okay, but ya, I do have to agree that Fry was out of character..infact, he annoyed me in this movie..and the last part was pretty "meh."
Go-a-Green-a

Bending Unit
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« Reply #338 on: 10-27-2009 02:44 »

Fry wasn't Fry in BWABB. He was some all-over different person (cartoon character). But in ITWGY and BBS, Fry was Fry. Not some weirdo obsessed with "The Tentical" he was just good ol' funny Fry, the origional (Ignoring Lars).
lilkitten29

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« Reply #339 on: 10-27-2009 02:48 »

I LOVED Fry in ITWGY. smile
Go-a-Green-a

Bending Unit
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« Reply #340 on: 10-27-2009 02:48 »

Agreed. smile
Zmithy

Professor
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« Reply #341 on: 11-02-2009 12:02 »

For me:

1. BWABB
2. ITWGY
3. BBS
4. BG

The only one I really didn't like was Bender's Game, it was so weak I can barely remember the plot.
SapphireShell91

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« Reply #342 on: 11-02-2009 12:38 »

Um, well going against the pack, I really like BG the best. This may be due to understanding a lot of the jokes that happen in it, but I also thought it had a fairly well-developed plot for being so-out there from what the writer usually do with Futurama. My whole family found it easier to follow than ITWGY, which we all found annoying and all over the place (but in saying that we did like the Leela/Fry development that went on in it. Finally some trust and belief with each other! YAY!) so yeah, but this is just our opinions.
I also liked the commentary for BG, which was a lot of fun to listen to and also informative as to what the staff and cast thought about this movie.
But yeah, Bender's Game is my favourite Futurama movie.
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
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« Reply #343 on: 11-04-2009 14:59 »

4.Into the Wild, Green Yonder
3.The Beast with a Billion Backs
2.Bender's Game
1.Bender's Big Score

I think Bender's Big Score is the best by a mile. It's the best written of the films, it doesn't undermine any of Jurassic Bark (new timelines), the time travel all actually makes sense if you really scrutinise it. It's probably the least funny thing Futurama have ever put out, but the plot is strong enough to compensate for it. I'd say it packs the biggest emotional punch of Futurama's run.

The Beast with a Billion Backs and Bender's Game are both hugely enjoyable 'extended episodes' in my eyes. Pretty much as funny as the show but with a few minor quibbles with the writing, but I stress minor. I still loved them. Bender's Game was ever so slightly the funnier of the two in my eyes.

Into the Wild Green Yonder is easily the weakest in my opinion. The humour is nearly as weak as Bender's Big Score but this time there's not a great plot to back it up. In fact, the plot is awful. They go out of their way to bring all of these extinct animals back to life when that's not necessary and it's actually debatable whether it's even ethically right to do so. Fry himself says that the creatures "failed nature's test" for God's sake. The ending would have been fantastic except that it was tacked on, so I couldn't enjoy it. None of the plot leads up to it in the slightest, it's just there to pander to the fans. It just felt like the least 'epic' of all 4 films and to be honest, I was dissapointed with the lack of scope in all of them. I did enjoy Into the Wild Green Yonder, but it's possibly the only Futurama that I'd say I like rather than love.
FistfulOAwesome

Starship Captain
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« Reply #344 on: 11-04-2009 20:00 »

You know, if I had more of a life I probably wouldn't waste what little I have arguing with strangers on the internet. But since I've got nothing better to do...

For me:

1. BWABB
2. ITWGY
3. BBS
4. BG

The only one I really didn't like was Bender's Game, it was so weak I can barely remember the plot.

I'd like to have some of what you're smoking!

Um, well going against the pack, I really like BG the best. This may be due to understanding a lot of the jokes that happen in it, but I also thought it had a fairly well-developed plot for being so-out there from what the writer usually do with Futurama. My whole family found it easier to follow than ITWGY, which we all found annoying and all over the place (but in saying that we did like the Leela/Fry development that went on in it. Finally some trust and belief with each other! YAY!) so yeah, but this is just our opinions.
I also liked the commentary for BG, which was a lot of fun to listen to and also informative as to what the staff and cast thought about this movie.
But yeah, Bender's Game is my favourite Futurama movie.

If you're talking about the first half, I agree with you. But if you're talking about the second half, I've got some things to say.

The second half is incredibly sub-par. If asked for a sub-par Futurama episode, I'd probably pick the second half of Bender's Game. That part was near nothing but an extremely lazy parody of LOTR's (even by extremely lazy LOTR's parodies standards). Of course the plot was easy to follow, you've already seen it a million freaking times! Everything about that section was lazy and boring and distinctly lacking in Futurama's wit. If you put the Family Guy characters in it instead, I would have thought it was another of Family Guy's movie episodes, except on LOTR instead of Star Wars.

And seriously, are you honestly going to hold up the way they transitioned from the Dark Matter part of the episode to the Fantasy part of the episode as good writing? It's like they finished the pretty good (B-) story of Dark Matter and Mom, realized they never even got around to their Fantasy section, had 44 minutes to fill, and thus came up with the weakest possible reason to shove it into the superior Dark Matter story.

As for ITWGY, I can only agree in regards to the first chapter (Mars Vegas) being loosely connected to the second through fourth chapters (The Purple Dwarf Star). Other than that, I felt it was the most straightforward of the movies, utilizing all the characters in a fantastic little plot about the truth of life in the universe. Nothing was simply throwaway or focused on too much or too little. Check it again.

4.Into the Wild, Green Yonder
3.The Beast with a Billion Backs
2.Bender's Game
1.Bender's Big Score

I think Bender's Big Score is the best by a mile. It's the best written of the films, it doesn't undermine any of Jurassic Bark (new timelines), the time travel all actually makes sense if you really scrutinise it. It's probably the least funny thing Futurama have ever put out, but the plot is strong enough to compensate for it. I'd say it packs the biggest emotional punch of Futurama's run.

The Beast with a Billion Backs and Bender's Game are both hugely enjoyable 'extended episodes' in my eyes. Pretty much as funny as the show but with a few minor quibbles with the writing, but I stress minor. I still loved them. Bender's Game was ever so slightly the funnier of the two in my eyes.

Into the Wild Green Yonder is easily the weakest in my opinion. The humour is nearly as weak as Bender's Big Score but this time there's not a great plot to back it up. In fact, the plot is awful. They go out of their way to bring all of these extinct animals back to life when that's not necessary and it's actually debatable whether it's even ethically right to do so. Fry himself says that the creatures "failed nature's test" for God's sake. The ending would have been fantastic except that it was tacked on, so I couldn't enjoy it. None of the plot leads up to it in the slightest, it's just there to pander to the fans. It just felt like the least 'epic' of all 4 films and to be honest, I was dissapointed with the lack of scope in all of them. I did enjoy Into the Wild Green Yonder, but it's possibly the only Futurama that I'd say I like rather than love.


Oh Metal Lord! Give me the ability to let new commenters simply state their business and move on! At least I've already written at long lenght about the movies before, so I can just write a blurb about them, then link to my previous posts.

BBS- Bit of a Fanwank. This one isn't bad, but it feels less like a professional episode of Futurama and more like they took a really good fanscript (but a fanscript nonetheless) and turned it into an episode.

Link: http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17266.msg1062564#msg1062564

BWABB- BBS isn't the least funny thing Futurama put out. This one is. There's almost not a single part of the episode I haven't argued as being totally bad. What decent sections there are (Deathball, Pirates) are absolutely buried under a bad story, bad characterization (especially Fry), schizophrenic plotting, the lowest of low-brow jokes (which wouldn't have been a problem if there were an equal amount of high-brow jokes to work with them (which was the strength of Futurama's comedy (everyone gets a laugh, even the astrophysicists))), wasted/dropped/diffused storylines, and so much more stuff that's absolutely wrong. When I joined this board I wanted to not even mention this film so as to forget it. Instead, it's gotten me some of the most heated arguments I've had (on this board). I stand by that this is by far Futurama's lowest hour.

Links: http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17266.msg1021948#msg1021948
          http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17904.msg1056466#msg1056466
          http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17385.msg1036894#msg1036894

Bender's Game: A good episode and a missed opportunity lumped together. This one is mostly not great because of how essentially two completely different episodes are forced into becoming one. Had they gone with one story (the first one) they could have ended up with a winner. Instead we have a decent episode (the first two chapters with the Dark Matter) with some needless filler (the Fantasy bit). Bit of a letdown.

Link: http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17904.msg1055437#msg1055437

ITWGY: Man, you must be joking! This is by far the best of the movies, and the only one that I even bother watching anymore (because it's also one the best episodes of the series). The plot is fantastic, making great use of all the characters (which is one of the things that makes me go soft on BBS) and not feeling slapdashed together (minus the Mars Vegas section being tenuously connected to the rest of the story), some truly great sequences (Space Mini-Golf Course! Anything with the Madfellows! The Poker Tournament! Hot Lady Jail Action! The Birth of the Encyclopod! The Ending! And So much more (as in the rest of the movie)!), the humor has finally found the style and balance that made the series great in the first place, and so much more.

Sure, you could be against what seems like a damning of evolution, but I think the writers were really going more for a "all life is precious" thing. If asked, I think they are less against evolution so much as against interfering with it (The Dark Ones are said to have wiped out many species just for the hell of it. Can you guess what other species has done that?).

Also, you really aren't paying close enough attention if you think the F/L ending is tacked on. It's built up throughout the entire movie and handled better than ever before. Just to show you, I'll mention what I remember off the top of my head: *Fist takes a deep breath* Leela is worried about Fry at the restaurant, Fry playfully asks her out in response, Leela feels sorry for Fry losing Bender, Fry defends Leela when Bender calls her a killer, Leela and Fry have a tearful parting, Fry joins the Madfellows to help Leela in her mission to protect the Purple Dwarf Star, Bender mentions Fry as Leela's weakness, Fry tries to dance around Amy's probing of why he's working for her dad in helping apprehend Leela, Fry asks Frida to tell Leela that he's working alongside her (even if it doesn't seem so), Leela disbelieves that Fry would be working against her, Leela is angry that Fry would work against her while he tries to ask her for her trust, Fry holds back at the trial, Leela is the only one to trust Fry at the ceremony, Fry prepares to sacrifice himself to save Leela (and the rest of Biological life in the universe as a bonus), and Fry and Leela declare their love for each other and kiss as they go through the wormhole. Phew! That sure doesn't sound tacked on to me.

I won't link here cause I think I already explained enough.

Man, I really should stop doing this.
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
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« Reply #345 on: 11-05-2009 02:13 »

Bender's Big Score is the only movie that doesn't feel disjointed and obviously like 4 episodes stuck together. I'll admit it's a bit of a 'fan-wank', but less so than Into the Wild Green Yonder which just pandered and stuck characters in for no real reason. The number 9 guy for instance has been popping up for ages in the show's background and the big reveal is that he's just some madman? Great.
Into the Wild Green Yonder is just dull. The humour is weak. The Fry/Leela thing is handled too subtley when you consider how flat-out explicitly Fry has gone after Leela in the past with nothing to show for it. The plot doesn't put enough at stake. It doesn't feel 'epic' enough or big enough in scope.
The middle two films are funny. I agree that the writing isn't exactly spot-on, there are plot-holes and character-contradictions, but they ARE funny.


And for the record, I see nothing wrong with the explanation for the Futurama characters entering the fantasy world in Bender's Game. Bender's newly kicked imagination used the energy of dark matter to generate a temporary alternate universe. Futurama has had more hokey sci-fi concepts than that in the past, it's not what I'd call bad-writing. The bad writing is in the fact that it's 22 minutes that offer nothing towards the film's over-all plot. It's just filler material.
Go-a-Green-a

Bending Unit
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« Reply #346 on: 11-05-2009 04:55 »
« Last Edit on: 11-05-2009 04:58 »

I watched BBS yesterday and ITWGY today. ITWGY IS in fact the only movie that felt like real Futurama. BBS DID feel like 4 episodes stuck together, it was funny, yes and it had a fairly good plot but it just wasn't the Futurama we're used to.

BWABB was just one gigantic reset after the other, sure there were some funny jokes but there's more to Futurama then just the jokes. BWABB screwed up the 'ship too much and Fry was totally out of character. Leela wasn't quite right either, Bender was fine but you need more then one main character that's acting right.

BG was okay, there were some good jokes. Some nerd-humour was good but it was just a bunch of references. Family Guy does that, not Futurama. The second half was a little out-of-it but some parts were funny. It was alright but it wasn't great or outstanding. It was just not quite traditional Futurama.

ITWGY was the closest I found in the movies to a real episode. I thought the Fry+Leela 'ship was handled well (or as well as the writers could handle it considering the fact that they've pressed the reset far too much to get it perfect). The jokes were good, what bothered me was the science. Normally the writers pay better attention but they did slip up a bit like when Leela was holding the potato in space and the worms were still moving and when Zapp's crew floated out to space, they wern't swelling like they should and they were moving. Normally the writers pay close attention to science but they did slip up there. I liked the explanation of The Number Nine Man, it could have been better (I guess) but it was good considering the fact that he was just a backround character for so long. Overall ITWGY was good, not as good as some of the episodes but I found it to be the closest to an episode that any movie got.
Freako

Urban Legend
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« Reply #347 on: 11-05-2009 05:21 »
« Last Edit on: 11-05-2009 05:22 by Futurama_Freak1 »

when Zapp's crew floated out to space, they wern't swelling like they should

Even in a cartoon, that would be a tad disturbing to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing it, but it just isn't right.
Go-a-Green-a

Bending Unit
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« Reply #348 on: 11-05-2009 05:26 »

I know, but they could of at least had them swell a bit so the science would be there but it would't slap you in the face.
Jezzem

Urban Legend
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« Reply #349 on: 11-05-2009 06:13 »

The number 9 guy for instance has been popping up for ages in the show's background and the big reveal is that he's just some madman?

Uh, no. Just because it's called The Legion of Mad Fellows doesn't mean that he was "just some madman". Go back and watch the movie again.
FistfulOAwesome

Starship Captain
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« Reply #350 on: 11-05-2009 06:16 »

Bender's Big Score is the only movie that doesn't feel disjointed and obviously like 4 episodes stuck together. I'll admit it's a bit of a 'fan-wank', but less so than Into the Wild Green Yonder which just pandered and stuck characters in for no real reason. The number 9 guy for instance has been popping up for ages in the show's background and the big reveal is that he's just some madman? Great.
Into the Wild Green Yonder is just dull. The humour is weak. The Fry/Leela thing is handled too subtley when you consider how flat-out explicitly Fry has gone after Leela in the past with nothing to show for it. The plot doesn't put enough at stake. It doesn't feel 'epic' enough or big enough in scope.
The middle two films are funny. I agree that the writing isn't exactly spot-on, there are plot-holes and character-contradictions, but they ARE funny.


And for the record, I see nothing wrong with the explanation for the Futurama characters entering the fantasy world in Bender's Game. Bender's newly kicked imagination used the energy of dark matter to generate a temporary alternate universe. Futurama has had more hokey sci-fi concepts than that in the past, it's not what I'd call bad-writing. The bad writing is in the fact that it's 22 minutes that offer nothing towards the film's over-all plot. It's just filler material.

To a point, I agree that BBS is the one that keeps to its major plot point for the entire running time (that of the Scammers taking over Earth), while the others to varying degrees (though, come on! ITWGY only has the first chapter be a little throwaway. They still use it to set stuff up for the rest of the film, and the other 3 chapters keep at the major plot of the Green Age). But I just can't in good taste say that it handled its various plot threads as well as it should have. Too many things were stretched in order to make that story work. A single episode of the series involving the Scammers probably would have been pretty funny, yet BBS stretches this singular episode (which would have just had the scamming plot thread) into a full length film where it loses a lot of momentum (like watering a drink to "make more"). The F/L story and the time traveling are weak and feel like they were shoved into the Scammers story (although to a much better degree than the shoving of the fantasy bit in BG). Again, I don't think it's a bad movie, or even really sub-par, I just think it feels like the writers finished the first draft, realized they ran out of time, and just shoved that first draft into production (writer Ken Keeler even thinks they shouldn't have done it first, that the story they wanted to tell demanded more time than what they gave it (he says so in the commentary)).

Also, how is BBS less of a fanwank than ITWGY? ITWGY didn't spend three minutes on a weak parody of Futurama's cancellation by FOX, it didn't spend time screwing around the series' backstory (Space Pilot 3000, Luck of the Fryrish and Jurassic Bark), it didn't throw in Robot Santa just so they could say they did a Christmas episode (If you think Number 9 Man was stuck in for no reason, then tell me how Chanukah Zombie and Kwanzaa Bot are actually necessary to the attack on the Scammers?), and more if I felt like making a further point. That to me is far more fanwank than what ITWGY threw in.

Speaking of which, what's so fanwanky about ITWGY? You mention Number 9 Guy's role as disappointing build-up, but I don't know how you can consider being the leader of an ancient society who's purpose is to stop a highly advanced species from destroying all life in the universe (Nibblonians? Ehh, they're different enough.) a disappointing reveal. What else is too fanwanky (this is a fun word.)? A globetrotter and Lrrr at the poker tournament? The Feministas and the Madfellows using the Martian ruins as bases? Snoop Dogg as the Chief Justi... Ok, that one I'll give to ya'. I don't really see what you mean by ITWGY being a fanwank. The plot seems fairly original to me.

As for Fry and Leela's handling in ITWGY, I don't think you appreciate how much better subtlety is. It's different, I'll give you that. Most of the episodes of the series (and the previous episode to really touch upon their relationship (BBS)) were very melodramatic. But that's what makes ITWGY so good as a F/L episode (and as the kicker to that part of their relationship). It's no longer an end of the universe type thing with them. They've progressed so far in their relationship that they don't need to have their feelings spelt out anymore. A tear or a smile says far more than words ever could. Point is, ITWGY said enough with the drama, we know these two are meant to be together, so let's see how a relationship would actually work between the two, let's see how much they actually mean to each other. While I love the series, and it did a good job of handling their relationship (great if we're talking S4), ITWGY is the proper maturation of their relationship, one that's been held off too long.

You say ITWGY doesn't put enough at stake? It puts everything at stake. The fate of all biological life in the universe depends on the saving of the Violet Dwarf Star. Failure means The Dark One (maybe Ones if it manages to reproduce) destroys the Encyclopod before it can hatch and slowly but surely drives every other species to extinction. That seems pretty major to me. Compare that to BBS, which didn't do anything with Nibbler's warning till the end of the film, or BWABB, which fixed the riff almost as an afterthought at the end of that film, or BG, which asks us to care about gas, and I don't think you've really got a match.

On to how funny the movies were, it's obvious that humor is subjective, and Futurama itself switched up through various episodes. Still, I really don't think that BWABB/Some of BG (mostly the second half) are Futurama funny. The strength of the series' comedy was its ability to mix low-brow and high-brow jokes equally into every episode. I feel the middle two movies rely too much on the low-brow with very little tipping toward the high-brow, and this weakens their comedy to me. It makes them feel like needless fluff. Add to that that a lot of the series' humor also comes from the characters, and the characters were possessed/drugged during the second half of BWABB and alternate during the second half of BG, leaving us with little classic character interaction (plus too much resetting serves to not only weaken the characters, but also their comedic potential). I just don't feel that the humor in those movies is Futurama humor (i.e. timeless). ITWGY is Futurama's humor. Plenty of high-and-low-brow, character interactions, great asides (but not to the point of wasting), it's all there.

I kinda agree on the BG thing. I really do think it was too major a jump for them to suddenly switch into the fantasy world, but I could have forgiven it if it was a fantastic lampooning of DnD (and fantasy in general). But, as I've said, it's really the laziest kind of LOTR parody possible, and it's sad to have to say that of Futurama, which always seemed like it went off the beaten path. Without laughs distracting me, it really ate at me how cheap it was. I didn't like some of the other "hokey" sci-fi the show has done before either (do not like The Honking, forgive Crimes of the Hot because it's really funny (also, I tell myself that there is some chemical in the ice that is released when it evaporates and counteracts the Global Warming)), so I kinda hoped a movie wouldn't take such a cheap excuse, especially when it really was superfluous.

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Tedward

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« Reply #351 on: 11-05-2009 23:30 »

Fistful, you, er...rock.

I'll comment on something that's been said when I get the time or feel like it...until then, carry on.
Svip

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« Reply #352 on: 11-06-2009 17:26 »

I know, but they could of at least had them swell a bit so the science would be there but it would't slap you in the face.

Eh.  Try shoving someone out in space.  You'll notice that they don't swell.

You just freeze instantly.
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« Reply #353 on: 11-07-2009 06:45 »

Damn, I keep getting mixed up. Your eyes swell when you get too close to the sun, not in space... I keep forgeting...
hobbitboy

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« Reply #354 on: 11-07-2009 11:19 »



   I know, but they could of at least had them swell a bit so the science would be there but it would't slap you in the face.


Eh.  Try shoving someone out in space.  You'll notice that they don't swell.

You just freeze instantly.


While I agree with the not noticably swelling (especially if you're inside constricted clothing), I can't agree with the instantly freezing bit (nor with blood boiling, etc).

The vacuum of space means there's no thermal conduction or convection, just radiation. That's how thermos flasks protect their contents from the temperature of the surrounding environment, by using a vacuum to minimise conduction/convection between it's inner and outer skins.

That's space—A giant thermos.

Sure, if the lack of air hasn't killed you, the lack of heat probably will but it'll take longer to freeze to death in space than it would on earth.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
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« Reply #355 on: 11-08-2009 04:20 »

To a point, I agree that BBS is the one that keeps to its major plot point for the entire running time (that of the Scammers taking over Earth), while the others to varying degrees (though, come on! ITWGY only has the first chapter be a little throwaway. They still use it to set stuff up for the rest of the film, and the other 3 chapters keep at the major plot of the Green Age).
I'm not saying it did a perfect job of structuring its story, just that it did the best of the 4 by quite a lot.

But I just can't in good taste say that it handled its various plot threads as well as it should have. Too many things were stretched in order to make that story work. A single episode of the series involving the Scammers probably would have been pretty funny, yet BBS stretches this singular episode (which would have just had the scamming plot thread) into a full length film where it loses a lot of momentum (like watering a drink to "make more"). The F/L story and the time traveling are weak and feel like they were shoved into the Scammers story (although to a much better degree than the shoving of the fantasy bit in BG). Again, I don't think it's a bad movie, or even really sub-par, I just think it feels like the writers finished the first draft, realized they ran out of time, and just shoved that first draft into production (writer Ken Keeler even thinks they shouldn't have done it first, that the story they wanted to tell demanded more time than what they gave it (he says so in the commentary))
That's pretty much exactly how I feel about Into the Wild Green Yonder except I question whether or not the whole bringing back extinct species thing would even work for an episode.
I wasn't a huge fan of the whole scammers thing in BBS either, tbh, it's the time-travel plot once that kicks in.

Also, how is BBS less of a fanwank than ITWGY? ITWGY didn't spend three minutes on a weak parody of Futurama's cancellation by FOX
That sequence at the start is no difference to the sequence at the end of ITWGY which was just a big metaphor for Futurama's uncertain future as a show. That's not to say I didn't like the ending (I loved it), but the two are basically the same idea.

it didn't spend time screwing around the series' backstory (Space Pilot 3000, Luck of the Fryrish and Jurassic Bark)
I wouldn't say it 'screwed around' with any backstory either. It was a paradox-correcting time-code, it basically kept creating new timelines. The original episodes remained intact.

it didn't throw in Robot Santa just so they could say they did a Christmas episode (If you think Number 9 Man was stuck in for no reason, then tell me how Chanukah Zombie and Kwanzaa Bot are actually necessary to the attack on the Scammers?), and more if I felt like making a further point.
I'll give you that but again I don't see it is as much different to the shot of hundreds of characters at the end of ITWGY, the needless inclusion of the robot mafia at the start or the Waterfalls being furthered. That said, I don't see what's wrong with a film like this being a 'fan-wank' unless it gets in the way of the film somehow and I wouldn't say it did in either film particularly.

As for Fry and Leela's handling in ITWGY, I don't think you appreciate how much better subtlety is. It's different, I'll give you that. Most of the episodes of the series (and the previous episode to really touch upon their relationship (BBS)) were very melodramatic. But that's what makes ITWGY so good as a F/L episode (and as the kicker to that part of their relationship). It's no longer an end of the universe type thing with them. They've progressed so far in their relationship that they don't need to have their feelings spelt out anymore. A tear or a smile says far more than words ever could. Point is, ITWGY said enough with the drama, we know these two are meant to be together, so let's see how a relationship would actually work between the two, let's see how much they actually mean to each other. While I love the series, and it did a good job of handling their relationship (great if we're talking S4), ITWGY is the proper maturation of their relationship, one that's been held off too long.
I think I was just dissapointed because I wanted them to get together in a story ABOUT them. Or at least a story that was good. Not some crap about bringing back extinct species. Yes, stopping all life from going extinct is a good story, but they never seemed fussed about that; they only seemed to care about preserving and bringing back dead species. If the dark one was meant to be so much of a threat that it could destroy all life within a reasonable time-span, then they should have us more aware of this threat in the film. It wasn't treated like a big deal whereas saving dead animals was.

You say ITWGY doesn't put enough at stake? It puts everything at stake. The fate of all biological life in the universe depends on the saving of the Violet Dwarf Star. Failure means The Dark One (maybe Ones if it manages to reproduce) destroys the Encyclopod before it can hatch and slowly but surely drives every other species to extinction. That seems pretty major to me. Compare that to BBS, which didn't do anything with Nibbler's warning till the end of the film, or BWABB, which fixed the riff almost as an afterthought at the end of that film, or BG, which asks us to care about gas, and I don't think you've really got a match.
As I said, if those are the stakes, the film should have focused on that as the mission and not simply saving some dead rubbish. Slowly but surely? Presumably every species is going to die out eventually anyway, who cares?
BBS had huge scope within Futurama's world, it dealt with Fry's life in great detail and that's what the show is about. Especially him and Leela. BWABB had great scope and then ruined it with a throw-away wrap-things-up-quickly ending. BG had large enough scope in that it had some epic battles and so forth. Again, I felt all 4 movies were lacking in their 'size' for films, but then, they were straight to video films and Futurama's normal episodes are often pretty huge in scope. If any of the film's plots had been theatrical releases, I'd have been severely dissapointed.

On to how funny the movies were, it's obvious that humor is subjective, and Futurama itself switched up through various episodes. Still, I really don't think that BWABB/Some of BG (mostly the second half) are Futurama funny. The strength of the series' comedy was its ability to mix low-brow and high-brow jokes equally into every episode. I feel the middle two movies rely too much on the low-brow with very little tipping toward the high-brow, and this weakens their comedy to me. It makes them feel like needless fluff. Add to that that a lot of the series' humor also comes from the characters, and the characters were possessed/drugged during the second half of BWABB and alternate during the second half of BG, leaving us with little classic character interaction (plus too much resetting serves to not only weaken the characters, but also their comedic potential). I just don't feel that the humor in those movies is Futurama humor (i.e. timeless). ITWGY is Futurama's humor. Plenty of high-and-low-brow, character interactions, great asides (but not to the point of wasting), it's all there.
I disagree, there was plenty of high-and-low-brow stuff in both BWABB and BG and the character interaction was still there, just with a spin on it. In Bender's Game, Zoidberg may have been an alternate form of Zoidberg but he was still ultimately Zoidberg and behaved as Zoidberg does.

I didn't like some of the other "hokey" sci-fi the show has done before either (do not like The Honking, forgive Crimes of the Hot because it's really funny (also, I tell myself that there is some chemical in the ice that is released when it evaporates and counteracts the Global Warming)), so I kinda hoped a movie wouldn't take such a cheap excuse, especially when it really was superfluous.
I'm pretty much in perfect agreement with you here... makes a nice change.

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« Reply #356 on: 11-08-2009 07:12 »

Holy hell. That's got to be THE longest post I've ever seen....
Freako

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« Reply #357 on: 11-08-2009 07:14 »

Half of it is quotes.
And any post that requires scrolling, I don't read anyway.
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« Reply #358 on: 11-08-2009 07:20 »

Normally I'll read them but that just made my head hurt.... I also just read over 300 pages in a book in one sitting so my head already hurts.....
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« Reply #359 on: 11-08-2009 10:29 »
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I'm not saying it (BBS) did a perfect job of structuring its story, just that it did the best of the 4 by quite a lot.

BBS did a good job of structuring it's story (I'll admit that, even if I'm not a big fan of the story that was structured). It's definitely miles ahead of the middle two movies. I do think that how much better it did than ITWGY is up to whether you can let ITWGY's first chapter go for being sort-of throwaway (some stuff is set up, but for the most part it could work as a stand-alone episode). I'll give you that all of BBS's chapters are not throwaway and all are important to the main plot, but I contend that ITWGY's 2nd through 4th chapters do a better job of telling its story without feeling weirdly cut or slow. So I'm saying that ITWGY's 2nd-4th chapters are more closely tied and better paced than BBS.

BBS did not handle its various plot threads well.
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That's pretty much exactly how I feel about Into the Wild Green Yonder except I question whether or not the whole bringing back extinct species thing would even work for an episode.
I wasn't a huge fan of the whole scammers thing in BBS either, tbh, it's the time-travel plot once that kicks in.

Let me clarify a bit (Ha!) on what I mean by BBS feeling stretched. What I mean is that I don't believe it's various plot threads belonged together. I don't think the Scammers, the F/L story, or the Time Travel compliment each other very well. While this certainly could mostly be due to the film's pacing, I have to judge it as is. The Time Travel comes out of nowhere and doesn't serve the Scammers story in a way I find necessary (sure, they bought all of NNY and eventually Earth from their earnings off the artifacts, but aren't they called "The Scammers" for a reason? I believe they could have just as easily scammed everybody without needing to complicate the story with time travel), and the F/L story, while having its moments, seems regressive compared to the growth F/L had by S4 (which, for the most part, was pretty sweet when it came to character development). Maybe Keeler's 2nd or 3rd or whatever draft would have fixed the issues I have with the story, but as it stands I feel it's a bit sloppy.

1st chapter aside (I'll be saying this a lot for ITWGY. Make of that what you will), I feel that ITWGY doesn't have any unnecessary and/or shoved in plot threads. I think everything that happened in the 2nd-4th chapters was necessary to tell its story and paced well. It's all tight and comfortable, going along at a breezy satisfying pace, with none really feeling like padding or out-of-place.

I think you misunderstand the main goal of The Madfellows. While they certainly want to revive the Encyclopod to revive extinct species (they are basically environmentalists), the main goal is to stop The Dark Ones from destroying any further species. Only the Encyclopod is capable of dealing with The Dark Ones powers. Once the Encyclopods went "extinct" due to their preservation efforts, The Dark Ones were once more free to abolish every other species in the universe.

Again, I don't think the writers mean for the film's message to be that natural selection is bad. I think the film's message is that an advanced species shouldn't continue to drive out other species. Get it? The Encyclopod's represent the part of humanity that can mostly fend for itself (basically us today and for the past 200 years or so) and doesn't need to drive out other species, while The Dark Ones represent the part of humanity that to this day is driving other species to extinction, even though we don't have to. The writers message seems to be that we should let nature take its course and no longer interfere.

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The first three minutes of BBS are an annoyingly 4th wall-breaking fanwank.
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That sequence at the start is no difference to the sequence at the end of ITWGY which was just a big metaphor for Futurama's uncertain future as a show. That's not to say I didn't like the ending (I loved it), but the two are basically the same idea.

Okay, you got me here. They are basically the same idea. I'll instead mention that ITWGY's ending is far better executed wink-winking to the audience than BBS's Intro. BBS was far too blatant with its wink-wink, what with the reintroduction of the crew, the BOX Network (who wrote that? One of the writers kids?), and the many fans (why would Leela mention the fans?). There was nothing wrong with letting the audience into the joke (I mean, many fans were as angry as the writers at FOX for canceling the show), but they way they went about is too obvious and kinda screws with the flow of the movie. It seems really out-of-place. By contrast, the ending of ITWGY, while another wink-wink to the fans, is much less blatant and more fitting with what is happening in the story.

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BBS screwed around with established bactstory.
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I wouldn't say it 'screwed around' with any backstory either. It was a paradox-correcting time-code, it basically kept creating new timelines. The original episodes remained intact.

I'm not so sure. While the original episodes happened as they did in a previous version of the timeline, it really does kinda nullify their dramatic weight if you have BBS to tell you it's all gonna be O.K. Some fans will be able to let it go while watching those episodes, but I can't. I simply disregard BBS (I don't watch it that often, and when I do I treat is a What-If) since I prefer the old events. Actually, that parentheses sentence is why I prefer the original events. Let's remember that the past events in Luck of the Fryrish and Jurassic Bark are unknown to Fry (hell, that's kinda the point). We, as the audience, get to see how Fry's disappearance affected his loved ones, and we are the only ones privy to that knowledge. Fry will never know how much his brother truly loved him, or how truly faithful Seymour was. So it really bites me to have those events changed to happy endings. Sure they were bittersweet and heartbreaking respectively, but that's what made them so good. To have them nullified (essentially made What-if's by the events of BBS) is really annoying, especially since I don't consider BBS as great an episode as the two mentioned, and thus I feel it an unwelcome intrusion. If BBS had added something worthwhile to the original episodes then I could have let it go or even supported it. As it is... Eh, I don't like it.

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If you think Number 9 Man was stuck in for no reason other than fanwanking, then tell me how Chanukah Zombie and Kwanzaa Bot are actually necessary to the attack on the Scammers?
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I'll give you that but again I don't see it is as much different to the shot of hundreds of characters at the end of ITWGY, the needless inclusion of the robot mafia at the start or the Waterfalls being furthered. That said, I don't see what's wrong with a film like this being a 'fan-wank' unless it gets in the way of the film somehow and I wouldn't say it did in either film particularly.

Alright, this one I was just adding to further the fanwank material thing. I actually like the entire fourth chapter of BBS (it has the pacing and focus I feel the first three chapters are missing to varying degrees), and the inclusion of the holiday mascots is actually very well done (I love that Trilogy Rap). Similarly, I like the inclusion of the Waterfalls in ITWGY, and I feel they are even better used since it makes sense to involve the Waterfalls in a story that has environmental themes (plus Hutch is mega awesome).

I agree that fanwank material is okay as long as it either doesn't get in the way of new material, or is used to further the new material. That is why I don't like the fan thing at the beginning of BBS or the in-the-past parts, since I don't feel either of them is a credit to the film. I guess you might feel the same way about the Robot Mafia in ITWGY (and maybe most of the first chapter of ITWGY in general (which I understand)). However, I do feel that the Waterfalls served an important, irreplaceable part in ITWGY's story, Number 9 Man's part made his inclusion worthy, and the shot of the characters at the end of ITWGY doesn't slow it down (it's wink, not a yell).

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Fry and Leela's subdued story in ITWGY was a fantastic cap-off to their long-running will they?/won't they story arc.
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I think I was just dissapointed because I wanted them to get together in a story ABOUT them. Or at least a story that was good. Not some crap about bringing back extinct species. Yes, stopping all life from going extinct is a good story, but they never seemed fussed about that; they only seemed to care about preserving and bringing back dead species. If the dark one was meant to be so much of a threat that it could destroy all life within a reasonable time-span, then they should have us more aware of this threat in the film. It wasn't treated like a big deal whereas saving dead animals was.

With the series the writers were able to end it with a big F/L story because the fans who don't care about F/L still have several other episodes (17 in S4, about half of which don't have a F/L story in them) to choose from as their ending (notice that the episode previous to Devil's Hands, Spanish Fry, is one of the most just-for-laughs episodes of the series). This is so every fan could be at least somewhat satisfied with the end of the series (which the writers obviously thought was impending). However, with ITWGY, that's 88 minutes with only 3 other episodes in "S5" for non-F/L fans to choose from as their ending (2 really, since BBS is also F/L focused). I think one of the reasons the writers kept the F/L part of ITWGY subtle is to be able to satisfy as many of the fans as possible with what was to be the series' second finale. The way they handled it allowed F/L fans to have the final episode (again) wrap up that oh-so-important running story in a satisfying way, while still not forgoing the fan who simply wants a funny 88 minutes (this fan likely views the F/L focused episodes as less funny or less rewatchable).

That said, I want to keep trying to convince you that ITWGY handled F/L in the best way possible. It really did present their relationship in a much more mature and close manner than previous episodes. We know how the characters can feel about each other, for a while (like Leela kissing Fry at the end of The Why of Fry), but how do they do when their relationship is tested by separation and trust issues? Many relationships can't handle separation or issues of trust, and end up destroyed by these things. It's nice to see that even when they don't see each other (ain't it strange that the very episode I hold up as a great F/L episode happens to keep them apart for the majority of the running time?), Fry and Leela can remain so sure of the others importance in their life and goodness of their heart. Fry joined the effort to save the Violet Dwarf Star primarily because it mattered to Leela so much (not because it would get her to date him, but because it was something she cared about, and thus he cares about it too), and Leela was in disbelief that Fry would work against her (so disbelieving was she that she was furious at him when they met up at the Keeler Crater), but that didn't stop her from being the only one to trust him at the end.

This subtlety to F/L was an absolutely necessary progression of their relationship. We have been blown off too many times in the past, having big episodes that seem like they should be major to F/L's relationship, and having those episodes ignored (to a point) in future ones. To have another big, huge episode about them would make us wonder what exactly did Fry really do differently this time to gain Leela's favor, or more importantly, what made Leela own up to her own feelings? ITWGY's subtlety answers that question for us by making it more of a understated thing, a natural part of the background. The way ITWGY presents it (and how I hope the 6th season builds upon) is like it's an ingrained part of the characters, rather than a mood of the week. The Professor is senile and crotchery, Amy is a klutz, Bender is a thief, and Fry and Leela are very close, that's how ITWGY makes it look.

Well, that responds to the first two sentences of that quote hmpf.

Once more, while The Madfellows are excited about the Encyclopod's ability to save/recreate extinct species (which I'll remind you within the film's story were mostly made extinct by The Dark Ones), it was not their #1 reason for protecting it (they only mentioned it once anyway, at the end of the first meeting). They needed it to protect the universe and its life from the The Dark Ones. The Madfellows mentioned in their first meeting with Fry that life in the universe had been shrinking for years, due to the disappearance of the Green Chi, and that the Green Chi had recently returned, sparking the beginnings of a new Green Age. This meant that life would flourish once more, but not if The Dark One had his way. The first two scenes with The Madfellows both mentioned the need to protect the importance of life by stopping The Dark Ones. The writers probably thought that that was enough, since they had other parts of the story to develop and they had made it clear enough in those scenes how important it was to stop it.

As for other reasons why The Dark Ones didn't have a more forward part in the plot, I can think of a few reasons. One, it was a mystery for both the viewer and the characters (mainly Fry) to solve. The Dark Ones are an ancient and unknown species, who have been driving life to extinction for an unknown (but very long) number of years, all done behind the scenes. Nobody knows what they look like, since anybody who did find out quickly had their brain crushed. Two, since they work behind the scenes, The Dark Ones did not want to risk revealing themselves. They would wait for the opportune moment to destroy the Encyclopod egg and then be free to destroy all life in the universe (Maybe The Dark Ones didn't even know where the Encyclopod egg was. The Violet Dwarf Star might have been a big disguise that the final living Encyclopod's set up so that one of them could survive when the new Green Age came to pass).

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ITWGY's stakes are major, what with all biological life in the universe being threatened by The Dark One.
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As I said, if those are the stakes, the film should have focused on that as the mission and not simply saving some dead rubbish. Slowly but surely? Presumably every species is going to die out eventually anyway, who cares?
BBS had huge scope within Futurama's world, it dealt with Fry's life in great detail and that's what the show is about. Especially him and Leela. BWABB had great scope and then ruined it with a throw-away wrap-things-up-quickly ending. BG had large enough scope in that it had some epic battles and so forth. Again, I felt all 4 movies were lacking in their 'size' for films, but then, they were straight to video films and Futurama's normal episodes are often pretty huge in scope. If any of the film's plots had been theatrical releases, I'd have been severely dissapointed.

I explained the first few sentences above, so I'll move on to the rest.

Sure the other movies had huge scope, but I don't think they used theirs particularly well. I've already linked in my first response to you other posts where I explained why I think so, so I'll let this part be mercifully short.

I do agree on the theater thing though. None of the movies would have worked theatrically, though they were never meant to. They were written with the knowledge that they would be cut up to be run on Syndication, which probably has a lot to do with why they on the whole don't feel whole. DXC has expressed high hopes for doing a proper Futurama movie, on the big screen. I don't think there is a single fan who doesn't want to see that.

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I disagree, there was plenty of high-and-low-brow stuff in both BWABB and BG and the character interaction was still there, just with a spin on it. In Bender's Game, Zoidberg may have been an alternate form of Zoidberg but he was still ultimately Zoidberg and behaved as Zoidberg does.

I really don't see it apart from a couple of good sign gags. They seemed woefully immature to me, what with all the sex jokes and dismembering and such.

As for the character complaints, BWABB had the characters 'cept maybe Bender act not like themselves for pretty significant lengths of time (with Fry pretty much receiving the worse treatment) or left some mostly out of the plot (Zoidberg and Hermes were brushed aside, as was Bender sort-of till the end), while BG had some of the characters reduced to base versions of themselves during most of the second half (yes, we know Amy used to be slutty, but she stopped that during S3. Same with Leela's overt anger (though that was prevalent throughout the whole film) or to parodies of fantasy characters (Fry acted a lot like Gollum after the cave, Bender spent the time as a knight, and the Professor as the Wizard didn't act all that crotchety) that weren't very good.

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Thanks, nothing like a good debate, eh?

It's good for my brothers at least, so they don't have to hear me spew this stuff. I certainly enjoy it as a hobby of sorts. Shall we continue?

Holy hell. That's got to be THE longest post I've ever seen....

That hurts, Ethanol. I've been making obscenely long posts since I got here. I thought you would have noticed. Notice now?

Half of it is quotes.
And any post that requires scrolling, I don't read anyway.

*Claps* Good for you Sir! This stuff is probably not worth losing your time over.
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