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winna

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« Reply #240 on: 06-28-2008 02:32 »

It's because of the rules of television.

Fry explained it briefly in When Aliens Attack.
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« Reply #241 on: 06-28-2008 06:45 »

 
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Originally posted by NastyInThePasty:
It's just that they don't acknowledge the events of BBS at all. Leela shows no discernable jealousy about Fry and Colleen whatsoever. Total character resetting time (although Amy/Kif seem to have some rocky times ahead...).

I don't think that's the case, they do address it, but put it on hold. Bender trys to get something started right off the bat, and Leela just flicks him off. It's not ignoring BBS, its just saying this is not what this movie is about.

There was enough in BWABB to show they were well aware of BBS, but they wanted it to stay in the background, let Amy take the leading relationship, and focus on the individual stories.

Im willing to bet Benders Game will be rather blank in that respect too, but all because Into The Wild Green Yonder is most likely going to be dedicated largely to the topic.
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« Reply #242 on: 06-28-2008 07:10 »

Maybe a line from Leela about missing Nibbler would have been nice. Now there is a question to be answered - and I look forward to it.
aknightofni

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« Reply #243 on: 06-28-2008 11:13 »

Yeah, nibbler sure buggered off quick. Wonder what happened to him.

Hope he makes it back.
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« Reply #244 on: 06-28-2008 12:45 »

The movie was kinda as much opposite of BBS as it was possible. Humor was in the tradition of futurama´s funniest episodes and it was not relying on past stories. However I think it´s obvious that this was much more created with 4 episodes format in mind which itself wouldn´t be so problematic but unfortunaly, tha main story starts no earlier than Act III and Act IV is really heavily anticlimatic... Story ends simply becouse script demands it and unlike first installment there is minimum of real emotion except of Coleen stuff which is technicaly irrelevant becouse we´ll never see Coleen again probably.

If I had to compare it in final verdict, BBBS was typical 70% material with Beast being about 80%.

Also this might sound as too angry but in original series I disliked about 1 episode of 6. However we have 8 new episodes and I already dislike BBS I, BBS III and BwBB IV. This storytelling really doesn´t suite the series.
     
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« Reply #245 on: 06-28-2008 12:48 »

Don't care what anyone says, after a second viewing, this movie was bloody brilliant. Felt much more like a Futurama episode than BBS.

And, as I said in the unPEELified thread, the scene with Bender sacrificing his First-Born Son to Robot Devil is fucking Oscar-Worthy. I pissed myself laughing.
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« Reply #246 on: 06-28-2008 14:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:And, as I said in the unPEELified thread, the scene with Bender sacrificing his First-Born Son to Robot Devil is fucking Oscar-Worthy. I pissed myself laughing.

Fantastic scene.  Fantastic.

I think some of the responses show "different strokes for different folks."  I laughed my ass off in this movie, thought the pace was great, thought it "felt" much more like Futurama than BBS in terms of delivery, character, wacky plot, still having some emotion.  I'm reading that some people felt that the characterization was off, but I thought Leela was AWESOME especially after how annoyed I was with her in BBS.  Some people preferred BBS.  I am happy to have enjoyed Beast a great deal, because I didn't enjoy BBS very much.  Most people seem to be 1 for 2 at the least, which is good.  It would suck to be disappointed by BOTH movies thus far.

My only gripe would be that Fry over-reacted a little bit to the Colleen issue.  I mean, all the Leela crap in BBS and he kept trying.  Colleen ditches him and he wants to go to another universe?  Meh.  But whatever.  Lint trap ahoy! The league of Robots sub-plot was hilarious.  I liked the little nods to BBS, particularly at the end when Leela says "You forgot about me fast enough when you met Colleen!"  It's a matter of "I would have preferred the first film to really take off more from the events of DHAIP, but I'm happier with the direction the 2nd movie went in based on those events."

I think it's interesting how we are all comparing Beast to Score so powerfully, when they really should stand on their own merits.  It's hard not to compare.  WIth the series you had 20+ episodes, if you had a stinker, you just moved on.  There were lots of good episodes of different veins.  Perhaps because we are only getting four movies, and their length requires more of an investment, it's harder to just accept a "lame" episode.  That's one fourth of the new Futurama that is lame, not 1/22.


Until I read a comment on here I didn't think the movie could be "offensive" to religion.  Didn't really connect.  I suppose I can see how some people of faith would find it offensive, but...  I'm religious, I didn't really find anything offensive.  I suppose the statement could be "a giant alien created all thoughts of heaven" could be considered offensive?  I don't know.  I don't watch Simpsons/Futurama expecting them to be cut from the same cloth as my beliefs. In general I think religion has gotten as much of a fair shake as it's been pinpricked. Besides, EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING gets skewered in Groening's stuff.  No point in getting offended when everybody gets equal potshots.

Besides, to me, I can't see it anti-religious or at all "deep" in terms of a religious commentary.  The concept of heaven as a place of fluffy clouds with angels flying around and plucking harps isn't a concrete christian belief; it's a mythology based on who knows what.  The bible doesn't really describe heaven or angels as such and what description is in there is open to interpretation.  There are tons of ideas about the nature of the afterlife in christianity and other religions and non-religious.  So what's the commentary, a very shallow jab at one fairly limited idea of an afterlife?  Heck, we know there is a "God" in Futurama.  YiVo being responsible for one vision of eternity does not in anyway negate the existence of God in Futurama universe.  Is a statement being made that religion is equal to some tentacle monster forcing us to love it?  Perhaps (I saw it as more of a scary monster movie bit), but it falls apart for me pretty quickly because...people don't fit into neat little packages. For every person who blindly follows a code of whatever kind, be it religious or anti-religious or non-religious, there are plenty of thinking, free-willed people who choose to believe what they believe.  That's the funny part about people, broad stereotypes don't work when you deal with real individuals of any stripe. 

If anything, I would be disappointed if the writers of Futurama thought they were being deep when they stuck their toe in the shallow end of spirituality.  Or if they thought they stuck it to those religious folks by, essentially, mocking a very limited, one-dimensional portrait of faith.  I don't think they are, but I do think the "religious" aspects of this movie are too simplistic to be worth offense or epiphany.


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« Reply #247 on: 06-28-2008 15:30 »

Okay, that's something I must agree on.  The religous "commentary" wasn't anywhere near as deep as people seem to think it was. I loved it, don't get me wrong, but it's didn't really seem to be that big of a deal. Granted, I'm not easily offendable anyway XP  (Being practically raised to embrace all forms of comedy gives one a thick skin.)
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« Reply #248 on: 06-28-2008 16:31 »

 
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Originally posted by OrpheusLupus:
Okay, that's something I must agree on.  The religous "commentary" wasn't anywhere near as deep as people seem to think it was. I loved it, don't get me wrong, but it's didn't really seem to be that big of a deal. Granted, I'm not easily offendable anyway XP  (Being practically raised to embrace all forms of comedy gives one a thick skin.)

I agree as well. It seems to me that people today are extremely obssessive to looking for subtext that isn´t actualy there.
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« Reply #249 on: 06-28-2008 18:28 »
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Mispost...
Kryten

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« Reply #250 on: 06-28-2008 21:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
 Like I said... there was no heart in the story. And it was really, really disjointed. It felt like it didn't fit in with the rest of the series.
But the sexiest funeral dress ever didn't make up for that?


Maybe I'm getting pickier in my old age.
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« Reply #251 on: 06-28-2008 22:18 »

OK, I watched it again today. My goods, bads, and weirds still hold.  And I tried to watch with an open and forgiving mind!

I guess I was looking for a unifying gag going through the entire story, such as the pulverized BOX/FOX network executives. (That was a gas! Wish they'd do that with all my old bosses.)
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« Reply #252 on: 06-28-2008 23:42 »

 
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But the sexiest funeral dress ever didn't make up for that?

Screencaps, please.  flirt
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« Reply #253 on: 06-28-2008 23:48 »

Choice lines:

Zapp: I can't take it anymore! I'm boiling inside my own velour!

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Destructor: MY LEG FEELS FUNNY!

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Bender: No backsies!

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Amy: [sobbing] Just put a butter knife in it...!

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Amy: Take care, my teenie-greenie-weenie!

Zapp: [crossing legs] That's merely a fungal infection...oh, you're talking to Kif.
OrpheusLupus

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« Reply #254 on: 06-28-2008 23:49 »
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I honestly think that Beast With A Billion Backs and Bender's Big Score represent two different types of Futurama episodes; One a little bit sillier and more disjointed than the other, and one trying (perhaps too hard at times) to reintroduce people to Fry's history.  As many others have said, we haven't had to deal with them for a movie length before and haven't had a wait between months for individual new episodes, which I think is perhaps exasperating opinions.
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« Reply #255 on: 06-29-2008 10:47 »
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Although I really liked both movies, I view them as being, perhaps intentionally, polar opposites.  BBS is the shippy one, with Leela giving Fry a tender little peck on the cheek at the end.  BWaBB is the anti-shippy one with Fry and Leela (and Kif and Amy for that matter) angrily in each others faces at the end. 

As for why Fry so easily chucked his feelings for Leela aside, I chalk it up to thinking the universe was ending.  His thought process was something along the lines of, "Well, not much point in waiting for Leela now."

edit: anal grammar correction
seattlejohn01

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« Reply #256 on: 06-30-2008 02:47 »

I just saw BWABB again, and I loved it even more the 2nd time.  That "Daddy, I knew you'd come back!" gag is just amazing; I also enjoyed the turning Bender on & off thing at the beginning.  I think the writers wrote this like an episode; lots of common episode themes, like Bender complaining about giving the dangerous tasks to robots. 

If I were a new fan, I would check out the series episodes based on my viewing BWABB; I don't know if I would do that based on viewing BBS.
winna

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« Reply #257 on: 06-30-2008 03:26 »

I really liked how everyone started arguing at the end of the movie.... however, heart fadeout?  hmmm.....
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« Reply #258 on: 06-30-2008 04:45 »
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Excellent work, excellent fun, greatness within that DVD.  I came into Beast with a Billion Backs with absolutely no idea what this movie was going to be about.  I read no spoilers or even information about the plot.

Obviously the humor is much different in this movie than in Bender's Big Score.  But the Futurama series has always had sort of 2 distinct styles.  Sort of the difference between The Luck of the Fryish or Jurassic Bark versus the humor found in When Aliens Attack or the Fear of Bot Planet.  I for one love the zany, ridiculous, professor being shanked with screwdriver gags.  Even though the humor was more crude, rude, and outrageous than some of the more serious Futurama episodes or BBS it is still very smart and smartly crafted.

BwaBB left me rolling on the ground laughing.  Some of the most ridiculous gags I've ever seen included the Kif funeral (thinking that Kif was dead for real), seeing a Koala tossed out of a window, Calculon's surgery, Bender launching his son into a pit of Hell, breaking up with Yivo.  There were some jaw dropping gags in this movie.

At first I did not understand the "monster" idea but David Cross knocked it out of the park once Yivo was introduced.  Shle was hilarious.  I actually did not make any connections with religious mockery but will look for those themes when I view it again.

My biggest gripe was the ending.  I really did not like the entire Bender flying to the anti-rescue and it didn't make any realistic sense... ok I shouldn't be so technical but how were the robots able to hurt/pierce/cut Yivo when before nothing could?

Bender's final dialogue to explain why he destroyed heaven for the universe was also abrupt and not entirely witty or fulfilling.

That being said, the movies non-stop flow of gags made up for the disappointing ending that felt very rushed and contrived.

IMO better than BBS.  And it is always great to see new Futurama!  I love that 8 years after signing up for PEEL I can come back and review NEW FUTURAMA!  Well worth $20.
winna

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« Reply #259 on: 06-30-2008 06:36 »

Welcome back.  The technical aspect of Bender's rescue were very bothersome.... especially after they explained how indestructible Yivo's matter was.... But I did enjoy the scene.  And I actually enjoyed the ending argument and Bender's solilquoy..

I didn't like the fadeout... and I would have rather seen a tie in for the next movie... but alas.
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« Reply #260 on: 06-30-2008 09:09 »

I'd just like to say that I have purchased BWaBB (at the earliest opportunity for region 2) and now deleted my download - I feel much better now.
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« Reply #261 on: 06-30-2008 15:05 »

About how they were able to attack Yivo:  Well, it was the paper (yes I realize there's no way a paper that small could fit all those weapons).  If you look really closely at the hooks when they're fired, you can just barely see pink edges on the front.  Not a perfect explanation, no, but that's what it is.  I can only assume Yivo can be hurt by things from his own universe.
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« Reply #262 on: 06-30-2008 16:27 »
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EDIT:

ALequalsGREAT has quite rightly pointed out that what I said should be here


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« Reply #263 on: 06-30-2008 16:30 »
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I have the region 2 version and have to say it just didn't feel.... right. I'll explain more later (or perhaps I need to see it more than once). Love the preview for Bender's Game though.

(Seeing it again now....)
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« Reply #264 on: 06-30-2008 16:42 »
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Agreed with you Shepherd; I thought the main damage to Yivo was being out of Shkler universe- there is a re-check thread about this very topic here
Watch it again Upside! Even though this movie is less complicated than BBS, I have no doubt it will improve with subsequent viewings   smile
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« Reply #265 on: 06-30-2008 17:12 »
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That still doesn't explain the harpoons... unless they lasso'ed around Yivo.

OrpheusLupus says there was Yivo matter on the harpoons... that's good enough for me.
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« Reply #266 on: 06-30-2008 17:30 »

Bender killng his son was classic... Ok it's slowly growing on me (it still doesn't feel right though, and no my leg DOESN'T feel funny).
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« Reply #267 on: 06-30-2008 18:35 »

I waited until getting the DVD today to watch the movie. I like it quite a lot and prefer it to BBS definately. Really funny, much more of a Futurama feeling and no annoying Fry/Leela stuff or flashbacks. I have to say that intro was amazing with the Steamboat Mickey parody...

The movie started brilliantly. Lagged a bit in places, mainly the robot stuff slowed the pace down. Yivo was great and it's a trypical far out Futurama Sci-Fi plot which is exactly what I want from Futurama. Wasn't too keen on the plot twist for the last 20 minuutes or so, but it was still alright. Zapp and Kif were great, the animation was better than the first movie. Not perfect but there were a few scenes which wowed me in this one unlike the first movie. Voice acting was all spot on. Overall really good movie but not as good as the TV series...
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« Reply #268 on: 06-30-2008 19:47 »

 
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Welcome back.  The technical aspect of Bender's rescue were very bothersome.... especially after they explained how indestructible Yivo's matter was.... But I did enjoy the scene.  And I actually enjoyed the ending argument and Bender's solilquoy..

I didn't like the fadeout... and I would have rather seen a tie in for the next movie... but alas.

Thanks winna,  The fadeout was too cutesy as well I agree.  Haven't we already seen that gag in the valentine's day episode.  It didn't come across as very epic or cinematic unlike the ending of BBS.

Saying that there is yivo matter on the spears is good.  I still do not know how they got the Yivo matter onto the spears and sword like someone mentioned... but at least the writers tried.
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« Reply #269 on: 06-30-2008 20:05 »

I got BWABB this past weekend!  Here's my review:

This Futurama movie was better and more fun than Bender's Big Score! Things that were cool were the Deathball matches, Farnsworth and Wernstrum reluctantly becoming friends, Fry, Zoidberg, and everyone else becoming under Yivo's control, Amy's wedding, Fry's relationship with Colleen, and Zapp, Leela, and Amy working together! The best of all was Bender! I loved the Robot Justice League! Bender was dynamite in this one! A fun and fantastic thrill ride for any Futurama fan! I also like the Lost Adventure and deleted scenes as well. Even Yivo was funny. It was awesome to see Amy's parents, Harold Zoid, robots from past episodes, Pazuzu, Robot Devil, Hedonism Bot, Calculon, and other favorites too!  Hope Kiff and Amy get back together.  I give BWABB 5/5!

Here's looking forward to Bender's Game!
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« Reply #270 on: 06-30-2008 23:25 »

that little bit of paper sure spread out across a lot of pointy objects.

I'm sure the professor had a bad ass invention that could clone elector matter he forgot about or something.
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« Reply #271 on: 07-01-2008 01:24 »

Probably.  There's still that hole in it, but it is the official explanation as far as we know now XP
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« Reply #272 on: 07-01-2008 13:32 »

Third viewing and I'm becoming converted:

Zoidberg: I thought I was playing for my freedom!

Farnsworth: No!
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« Reply #273 on: 07-01-2008 15:01 »

My copy just got delivered today from amazon.co.uk, and I wanted to come here and say how brilliant it was, and how it felt much more like the original series, yadda-yadda, but I see it's all been said before me. So I'll just say I was rolling on the sofa laughing, superb.  smile
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« Reply #274 on: 07-01-2008 15:48 »

I'm so excited to see this movie!  Boo being out of the country though Sad  I was seeing a lot of negative feedback leading up to the release including people who claimed to have seen leaks, but now I'm seeing mostly positive reviews.  Well here's what I found from readexpress.com's review...

"Beast's" biggest flaw is its length. While the first hour is engaging and entertaining, the final half hour drags. But this one also leaves a much easier place for the next film to pick up — and it doesn't end nearly as open-ended as "Big Score" did.

Do you guys agree?  I'm trying to get people's feedback on the movie without catching any spoilers, so I'm rather afraid to read some posts haha.

Hopefully I don't get flamed for pasting a link, though this forum seems to allow it.
 www.ilovebender.com

the official dvd site =D
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« Reply #275 on: 07-01-2008 16:39 »

Having seen it, I can say...neat.

(Here follows my thoughts. I'm sure I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said several times already, but what the hell!  smile )

They sure did up the gross-out factor, though, didn't they? I spent most of the movie either laughing out loud, or going 'Aw man, now that's just nasty!' (stuff like Kiff's bouquet(sic) especially)

Overall, stellar stuff. Fun from one end to the other, and very few niggles. Kind of a pity that the Fry-Coleen relationship seemed to be over so quickly, but then again, even Fry has some standards.  smile  Also on the relationship front, kinda odd that they married Amy and Kiff off, and then broke them up, but the whole thing was very Amy - if she thought Kiff was dead, she *would* do something like that.

I wasn't sure how Bender's subplot would tie in, but the idea of his jealousy for anything that takes attention away from him (and Fry away from him especially, awww) did the job nicely.

Nice to see that Fry can make relationship mistakes not at all linked with a certain purple-head. (Though I have to say, it was kinda odd that Leela waited until the very end to discover A) she loved Yivo, too, and B) she wasn't that happy with Fry/Coleen) And perhaps the most interesting thing of all was Fry as a villain (the scene in the 'church' with Coleen); you wouldn't think a guy like Fry has it in him to be evil (unscrupulous, yeah, bad, maybe, but not evil), but in that context, it worked like a treat.

Definitely worth the wait.

'Naked ladies, naked ladies, naked ladies, naked ladies!'

- Justice Snoop Dogg, Into the Wild Green Yonder
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« Reply #276 on: 07-01-2008 17:51 »

I dont find the difference of opinions on BBS and BWBB all that suprising. BBS had the Fry/Leela love story for the romantic story line fan, but BWBB was just a crazy sci-fi flick. I loved both of them, both are very rewatchable.

Also.....


As far as some of my favorite things from BWBB:

km73

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« Reply #277 on: 07-02-2008 20:46 »

 
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It would suck to be disappointed by BOTH movies thus far.

Yup. It does.   smile
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« Reply #278 on: 07-02-2008 23:01 »

I'm still confident after seeing the first two movies that a movie of nothing but zooming shots of Fry's face and Benders ass would have more humor, wit, insight, story and intelligence than a family guy movie.

I'm thankful for these movies no matter what!
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« Reply #279 on: 07-19-2008 13:30 »

How were the robot pirates able to aim their harpoons at Yivo when they couldn't see through the void, let alone pass through it?

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