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RogerWilco81

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« on: 01-31-2008 02:10 »

Here's a maybe interesting question..I wonder if the Fry that stayed in the past and lived there till 2012 knew that he was a time duplicate or if he thought he was the "main fry" or even that it mattered. I have a feeling he was planning on revealing his identity at his funeral had original fry not shown up...
NastyInThePasty

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« Reply #1 on: 01-31-2008 08:54 »

Possibly. Notice how "Lars" excused himself after Fry showed up, almost as if he got scared off by the idea that he would have to continue his charade. I mean, he could have easilly shrugged off any guilt he felt at "stealing" Leela from himself if the "alternate" Fry had simply vanished into the past.
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« Reply #2 on: 01-31-2008 10:05 »

Yes.
Futurama Llama

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« Reply #3 on: 01-31-2008 18:00 »

But how could Lars shrug off the guilt so easily? Is Fry really that self-centered not to think about the himself who was trying to woo Leela?
Frisco17

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« Reply #4 on: 01-31-2008 22:05 »

He knows that the Fry he's stealing Leela from will go back in time and become him. Plus I don't think Fry would mind if he knew he would be Lars in a few years. The fact that there's two after the original Fry comes back is one of the things (other than his impending death) that leads Lars to call off the wedding in my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: 02-01-2008 00:06 »

Lars left that scene for the convenience of the writers, case closed. Trying to reevaluate certain aspects of the film fries my brain...
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« Reply #6 on: 02-01-2008 20:10 »

The writers wouldn't do that! There is some deeper meaning to everything, futurefreak! Everything!!
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« Reply #7 on: 02-03-2008 07:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Frisco17:
He knows that the Fry he's stealing Leela from will go back in time and become him.

I entirely agree. Of course Lars knows that he's the duplicate. If he didn't know that he was the duplicate, then he wouldn't be worried about being ultimately doomed.

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« Reply #8 on: 02-03-2008 07:58 »

Fry is not know for being a deep thinker, quite the opposite on a galactic scale actually. I don't think Lars gave going after Leela a second thought, all's fair in love and war. Lars exits when Fry enters scenes is probably more an indication of his maturity - avoiding conflicts - compaired to young Fry rolling up his sleeves early in the show. Lars, until the wedding, would have had no idea what would happen next so there would be no reason to hold back with Leela. He was probably just glad Nudar's bunch hadn't found him and started shooting again.
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« Reply #9 on: 02-03-2008 13:01 »

Yeah, and Lars himself said that when he realized Hermes body from back in time was doomed, he himself was doomed. I wonder how he knew he was the duplicate? From just being in-contact with "our" Fry?
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« Reply #10 on: 02-03-2008 22:41 »

He knew because of the story Fry told after he defrosted and showed up in the park. He would have remembered his part of it and the original Fry filled in the rest.
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« Reply #11 on: 02-04-2008 18:14 »

Ah.. that computes. Did Fry know? Did he?
RobotDevilRox

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« Reply #12 on: 02-12-2008 13:32 »

Fry told him about the pizza. I don't think that Lars would have realised at first that he was the time duplicate - he probably wouldn't have thought about it - but after they'd been messing around with time travel for a while he would have found out that the older one is the original, and the younger one is the time duplicate, and what Fry said about the pizza had made it clear that he was the older one. I'm not even sure what I just said makes sense, as Lars is technically 12 years older than Fry, but whatever, let's just try to ignore that for now.
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« Reply #13 on: 02-12-2008 15:21 »

I think it's more like 14 years, 12 years in the 21st Century and I think he set the timer on Michelle's tube to open something like 2 years before Fry rethawed.
RogerWilco81

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« Reply #14 on: 02-12-2008 19:17 »

Speaking of Lars rethawing, I wonder if when the time loop catches up with Fry and Bender when thier working at the cryogenics lap if they notice that there's another Bender frozen in one of the tubes?

And the Back to the Future fan in me wants to see a part in the next movie dealing with the stolen items from history being returned to thier proper times, the fact that historical artifacts have been removed from the flow of time like that just doesn't sit well with me lol
futz
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« Reply #15 on: 02-12-2008 19:56 »

That's why things start going kaboom at the end of the movie.

Back to the Fry/Lars age thing. Assuming Fry is 25 in the year 3000:

Fry 2000/3000 (25 years old) to  3007 (32)

Lars 3007/2000 (32 years old) to 2012 (44) Freezes self for 990 years - I checked. Thawed 3002 (still 44) to 3007 (49 years old).

Lars is 49 Fry is 32. Not exactly sure on Fry's age in 2000/3000 but Lars is 17 years older than Fry from 3002 on.
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« Reply #16 on: 02-13-2008 06:33 »

Nicely worked out. I'm awful at Maths. :P But yeah, that seems right.
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« Reply #17 on: 02-14-2008 15:19 »

So it should take Fry about a dozen years to be mature enough for Leela? Man, that's a long wait! Hopefully he still sees Morgan on the side.
PazuzuJr

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« Reply #18 on: 02-15-2008 12:44 »

49? Thats's a lot older than i thought he was. But i guess it's just as weird Fry is 32 which seems older than he is since he's aged 7 (?) years but doesn't seem any diferent.

I would imagin Lars knew he was the duplicate all along. He obviously knew there was two of him so i'm sure he could've worked out he was the duplicate.

NastyInThePasty

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« Reply #19 on: 02-15-2008 23:24 »

Since the characters on Futurama seem to not age like the Simpsons cast (i.e. Bart logically should be about 28 now, yet he's eternally 10 years old), let's say Fry is 25 (the age he's generally referred to as in official bios) in 3007. He travels back to 2000 and leaves the "Alternate" Fry who will eventually become Lars. Alternte Fry stays in the past until 2012, so that would make him about 37 when Bender's attempted assassination turns him into Lars. Fry then freezes himself and thaws out (in the back of Michelle's cryotube) in 3002, then gets the job in the Head Museum and waits five years until he meets Leela for the "first" time in 2007. 37 + 5 = 42.
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« Reply #20 on: 02-16-2008 22:09 »

Yes. And didn't the Futurama cast age 4 years between the end of the series and BBS? I assume that because they acknowledge the four years. Was that calculated into there?
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« Reply #21 on: 02-16-2008 22:33 »
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But you can't count some years and not others. Fry was 25 when he arrived in the year 3000. So Fry was 32 when he traveled from the year 3007 back to the year 2000 and spun off Lars.

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« Reply #22 on: 02-17-2008 09:54 »

Hmm. Okay, I understand now. Gratzi, futz.
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« Reply #23 on: 02-17-2008 18:21 »
« Last Edit on: 02-17-2008 18:21 »

 
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Originally posted by NastyInThePasty:
Since the characters on Futurama seem to not age like the Simpsons cast (i.e. Bart logically should be about 28 now, yet he's eternally 10 years old), let's say Fry is 25 (the age he's generally referred to as in official bios) in 3007. He travels back to 2000 and leaves the "Alternate" Fry who will eventually become Lars. Alternte Fry stays in the past until 2012, so that would make him about 37 when Bender's attempted assassination turns him into Lars. Fry then freezes himself and thaws out (in the back of Michelle's cryotube) in 3002, then gets the job in the Head Museum and waits five years until he meets Leela for the "first" time in 2007. 37 + 5 = 42.

I tend to agree. It seems like Futurama does in fact follow the Groening rule of aging. For example, Fry doesn't seem to age at all during the show but in two years worth of flash forwards in BBS he is noticalbly older. Amy seems to still be in college after seven years. The Professor would probably be dead if they aged normaly. Since people who are 160 are supposed to be taken to the "Near Death Star" to be held until they die, I'm not sure the Professor would have another seven years. In my opinion they only age when they need to, meaning Lars.

The only other explianation I can think of is the Fountain of Aging.

Leela: "I think I might be a few years younger."

Though I think that is just a joke about women lying about their age.

Futurama Llama

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« Reply #24 on: 02-17-2008 20:30 »

True...

And i just got the "Near Death Star" gag. They go there because they are near death.
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« Reply #25 on: 02-18-2008 21:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama Llama:
True...

And i just got the "Near Death Star" gag. They go there because they are near death.

(Facepalm)
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