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« Reply #3 on: 12-08-2007 13:39 »
« Last Edit on: 12-08-2007 13:39 »
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Oh, praise Zombie Jesus! Finally a relevant place to insert my convoluted rationalization of duplicate creation without having to crowbar it in like i did in another topic.
-ahem- This is the way i underdstand how Fry used the time code twice, yet only created one duplicate (Lars), not two, and also why this duplicate who was cursed with an untimely death was able to live for 1007 years.
When someone goes to the past, meets themself, and disrupts their own history such that the past version never ends up using the time code like it should, that past version who deviated from its course becomes a duplicate, whom the universe quickly kills off to balance things out.
So when Fry used the time code twice, his earliest version who was already frozen was saved from becoming a duplicate because the most recent version just hid for 1007 years and did NOT cause the earliest version to stray from the course that eventually led it back in time. And so the most recent version just resumed normal life immediately after the earliest version lived up to 3007 and went back in time like it was supposed to. Which basically makes them one person, neither one being the other's duplicate.
However, Fry used the time code twice, leaving a second most recent version to account for. And the most recent Fry DID interfere with the second most recen't Fry's path to the next time code by meeting him in the cryogenics lab, leading to Bender chasing him off. This disrupted the middle Fry from using the timecode for the second time at the Panucci's, like he was supposed to, and so he became a doomed duplicate.
But if the middle Fry were doomed, why did it live all the way to the future? Well i feel that the doom only kicks in when a duplicate lives up to the time code that got everything started. Assuming this, one could say that Lars should have been doomed when he lived up to the time code he didn't cause at Panucci's an hour later, but it appears that the universe generously defaults to the original time code that got the ball rolling. Which gave Lars a whole 1007 years of wiggle room in which to live and learn and love.
Similarly, Nudar prevented his past self from eventually going back in time by interacting with it, making it a doomed duplicate as soon as it caught up to the time code that it never caused. I feel that it was only from that point on that Nudar's duplicate was doomed.
I'll edit the post if i come up with a more user friendly version of it. If the movie was tough, then this mish mash can't be much easier.
EDIT: Please disregard the edit label below. There was no simplification going on here. Just fixing some grammatical errors. Now it should at least be a little easier to not understand.
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Wet Blanket

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I think that lays it out perfectly, futz. A picture is worth a thousand words. Or in the case of my last post, about ten thousand.
Lars' longevity must mean that the doom field only resides at the moment of the original sphere.
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dr.bender nye

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Originally posted by PazuzuJr: wow. That picture has somed up.... nearly everything. Id like to see one don'e for bender who used the code 100s or even 1000s of times But we don't exactly know how many off screen times he went back to the past
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So if the Doom Field only kicks in when there are duplicates present after the initial point of time travel, that means that Doom only happens when the actions of a time-traveler prevent him from going back in time, as with Nudar, Lars or the mass of Benders at the end (he stopped himself from coming upstairs and going back for more loot each time). That's an interesting corollary.
Of course, the exception to this is Hermes. His case is very odd, since Bender just took the body of an earlier Hermes and brought it forward. So Hermes lost his body twice, one coming with Bender who took it off-screen, and one smushed under the Planet Express ship. This is obviously a paradox, and is resolved in the same way as the others, but doesn't line up neatly in description with the other ones. I'll have to think about this one...
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futz
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The only thing I can think of is that the Benders coming up from the basement were all Sphere dupes made by Bender in the past. We do see Bender using the Sphere this way in the year 2000 scenes without concern. It would mean more loot and original Bender having to do less work.
Bender could have Sphere duped a sleeping Hermes in the past without original Hermes being aware of it just like the Professor being unaware of who lopped off his hand.
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