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PEE Poll: Bender's Big Score Review Thread
4 - It was great   -138 (71.9%)
3 - Not great, but good still   -42 (21.9%)
2 - Well, was ok   -5 (2.6%)
1 - Didn't like it much   -2 (1%)
0 - Utter crap!   -5 (2.6%)
Total Voters: 192

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« Reply #400 on: 01-30-2008 10:18 »

Are you suuuuure?
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« Reply #401 on: 01-30-2008 10:40 »

The women of Futurama didn't come off very well in this DVD.

My question is:

Why the hell would Hermes and Fry want such damned fickle women in their lives?  Fry I can understand, he's young and dumb.  Hermes is older - tell LaBarbara to move in with Slim and get the hell out of his life.

Once again from me:  If Leela doesn't want a relationship with Fry, then quit giving mixed messages.  More importantly, quit rubbing her relationships in his face.

DXC and company may think it's funny, I find it old, outdated and trite. 

Each episode of Futurama painted Leela as less and less likable as a person.  The Sting was the only episode to show that she actually had any feelings for anybody other than herself, then it ends up being a lucid dream with the goddamned RESET button being pushed and things go back to the status quo the next episode.

Once again, any Fututama staff that may be lurking - you want my opinion on how BBS sucked and blew at the same time, e-mail me.  I'm not the wimp who DXC questioned about why "That's Lobstertainment" sucked.  I won't wimp out and become a mealy-mouthed suck-up.  I'll tell DXC, Carrey and Groening why I absolutely despised this crapfest.

I bought all the DVD's, watched Adult Swim, signed petitions for a revival and this is what I got?  I want a damned refund because it damned sure wasn't worth the $19.95 that I paid for it.

I dearly hope that the tweeking that Billy West and others did for BWABB's was to make the characters more likable and not be insulting to the core audience. 

I do know one thing - I'll rent it before I'll buy it out of fear that it'll suck as badly as BBS.

So -mArc-, if you see this and DXC mentions anything about speaking to somebody less-than-satisfied with the DVD, give him my e-mail addy.  Hell, contact me, I'll give you my real name and phone number to share with any of the staff.
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« Reply #402 on: 01-30-2008 10:42 »

Wow, way to sock-it-to-em, Ralph!
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« Reply #403 on: 01-30-2008 11:56 »

lol, angry nerd

I wouldn't care if BBS was 90 minutes of fart jokes, I would've loved it because it's new Futurama, dammit.
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« Reply #404 on: 01-30-2008 13:16 »
« Last Edit on: 01-30-2008 13:16 »

   
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
The women of Futurama didn't come off very well in this DVD.

God, they really didn't.  Amy gets a pass since we saw so relatively little of her, but LaBarbara's flipflopping between Hermes and Slim was off-putting, to say the least, and Fry's pining for Leela was beyond pathetic here:

(Just in case)

God forbid Leela actually die, because the way things look now Fry would never get over it, and that's NOT how I like seeing his character portrayed.  I don't like the idea of him being so attached to Leela that he can barely function without her; that's not appealing and it does very little for him as a character.

While I agree with Ralph that Leela needs to stop trading between shoving her relationships in Fry's face and running to him for emotional support (athough I honeslty thought it wasn't nearly as prevalent here as it was in, say The Why of Fry), my problem with her in this movie was that she seemed stripped down to a love-struck woman.  Yes, the lovey-dovey romantic is a sizeable part of her personality, but her character felt very hollow in BBS because I felt that that aspect dominated her character in the movie.  I enjoyed her most when she was kicking ass in the space battle, which was really the only time that I felt like I was watching the Leela I loved and remembered, but that scene felt far too short to me (and even then she just seemed to be redirecting her anger from what Lars did to her, rather than attack because she was pissed off at Nudar and Co.).

...Actually, romance seemed to hold back most of the characters in BBS.   hmpf I just hope it's handled differently in the next movie.

I still love the movie for my own reasons, but "the progression of Fry and Leela's relationship" is far from one of them.  This movie put me off from being an F/L shipper.
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« Reply #405 on: 01-30-2008 13:36 »

Total agreement about Fry being beyond pathetic.  I know Futurama characters are suppose to be flawed indivuals, but they're pitiful, hopeless, clueless and very unlikable people in BBS.

I honestly did not get a single laugh from the whole 88 minute crapfest.  I watched Fear Of A Bot Planet, Fry and The Slurm Factory and Brannigan Begin Again last night and laughed my ass off several times despite having watched them several times.

It's sad that BBS had the same writers and director as the series.  Something special about the series died during its 4 year time-out.  I'm serious when I say I wish that the series had died at Devil's Hands than to be revived into the convoluted, soulless mess that Bender's Big Score was.

Fry sees Leela as a possession to be won, Leela sees Fry as her little ego-boost and safeguy in between boyfriends.  That formula got to be old in Season 3.  Season 4 showed tremendous growth in both characters that BBS totally ignored.

Here's hoping that the writers got the rust out of their systems with BBS and BWABB will be better.  It damned sure can't be any worse.
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« Reply #406 on: 01-30-2008 13:52 »

 
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... Here's hoping that the writers got the rust out of their systems with BBS and BWABB will be better.  It damned sure can't be any worse.
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... It damned sure can't be any worse.
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« Reply #407 on: 01-30-2008 14:10 »

Sorry Spacey, BBS stunk so bad it turned me off Futurama. In one 88 minute DVD, it killed everything that made Futurama special.  The goddamned thing was more dysfuntional than The Simpsons.

I had high expections for the BBS.  Maybe they were a little too high, but I didn't expect to find the thing so dreadfully awful.

So believe me, BWABB can't be any worse because I'm expecting it to suck.  I wouldn't even think of even renting it if I hadn't seen the scene of Zapp rinsing the mud off Amy's boobies (the most erotic part of a woman).

Now that's comedy.
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« Reply #408 on: 01-30-2008 14:55 »
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That happens in BWABB? Righteous! And, 1BDI, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on the thing you said about Fry. I mean, he's always been like that towards Leela. Sure, it was turned up a notch in BBS, but I didn't feel like Fry went into "creepy" mode. His affection is powerful, like one of Bender's flaming burps.

Leela and LaBarbra were husks in BBS. That made me sad.
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« Reply #409 on: 01-30-2008 17:10 »
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I still have yet to even write my review, but what's being said right now is very interesting and related to something that I wanted to include in it.

I thought that the theme/message given off by the Fry/Leela/Lars was the worst they could have possibly done. Not only did I see that being the message way before any fan watched the film, the way that it was presented was the worst way that you could present the message. Originally for "Bender's Big Score", I thought that Lars was a creepy old man with an extreme broken, beak-like nose, making him a mutant like Leela, which would also support why the two would connect. I actually emailed JustNibblin' for some slight insider on the movie (he watched it at the primere), and he described him as a better personality match for Leela. Still being a heavy shipper at that time, I was freaked out, but still interested on how a shippy message would be presented in "Bender's Big Score". It was a new situation that was never presented in the series, and a new question that I never would have even thought of. Was Fry the right guy for Leela? So, in a way, "Bender's Big Score"'s anticipation was great.

Before you go on, let me note something. A week before the movie was released, somebody went onto the Shipper's thread and revealed the giant twist in a single spoiler. Face it, for somebody like me to resist something so tempting was next to impossible. So, my perspective on the movie might be more cynic because I basically ruined it for myself. So, take this into hand when it comes to my opinion on "Bender's Big Score".

I obviously didn't find the twist to be that great. In fact, it wasn't too supportive of the message. "Bender's Big Score" was to teach Fry that he should want the best for Leela, even if its against his own wants. But, how could somebody get that message clearly when just after you understand it, you find out that you're the person that is the best for the other person? It instead sends mixed messages to Fry. I would think that if the message was presented with somebody who wasn't Fry, then it would have a greater impact on both Fry and Leela.

After this movie, I wish that David X. Cohen and the entire Futurama crew could have taken diehard fans like Xanfor and Ralph Snart and let them give constructive criticism on the film. I have found so many errors in it that could have been simply fixed. I wish I could just "pretend" that they are fixed, but it's really too hard now that it's canon material. It's still very hard to consider "Bender's Big Score" canon, too.

When I get access to the DVD again, there is a screenshot that I have to post on here because it pretty much illustrated Leela just as Ralph Snart describes her now.
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« Reply #410 on: 01-30-2008 17:18 »

Maybe, hopefully, the Futurama creators will address this in BWABB. I know I lost some F/L "shipper points" from BBS, but I'm not too terribly worried about it. I'm actually still coming to terms with the fact new Futurama is out  wink
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« Reply #411 on: 01-30-2008 17:19 »

 
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When I get access to the DVD again, there is a screenshot that I have to post on here because it pretty much illustrated Leela just as Ralph Snart describes her now.

Bitter?  Vengeful?  Self-centered?  Uppity?  Inconsiderate of her best friend's feelings?  All describe Leela perfectly.  I can't wait to see that screenshot.

Face it.  Despite all his short-comings, Fry's just too good for Leela.  She doesn't and never will deserve anybody that kind-hearted.  She deserves Zapp, and even then I'd have sympathy for him.
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« Reply #412 on: 01-30-2008 17:39 »
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Woah... woah... I know I said I lost shipper points, but Leela with Zapp?? I'm at a point where they (Fry and Leela) could get married then divorce the next second. Anything is better than Leela/Zapp. I think it was you, Ralph, who said that they were out-of-character in BBS. So, hopefully, fan anger will reach the folks at Futurama and BWABB will feature some more Futurama-series-oriented characters. Hopefully.
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« Reply #413 on: 01-30-2008 17:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Frida Waterfall:
"Bender's Big Score" was to teach Fry that he should want the best for Leela, even if its against his own wants. But, how could somebody get that message clearly when just after you understand it, you find out that you're the person that is the best for the other person? It instead sends mixed messages to Fry.

...As if my head wasn't close enough to exploding already.  That never occured to me before, but you're right.

Concerning screengrabs, there's a whole bunch uploaded here.  They might not have the screenshot you're looking for, but it might be worth a shot.
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« Reply #414 on: 01-30-2008 18:03 »
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Originally posted by Futurama Llama:
they were out-of-character in BBS

They were. The entire movie was underwritten. So many mistakes were made that can't be erased (unless if they make some slight but powerful changes, which I'll mention in my late review). And believe me, it wasn't just the Fry and Leela relationship that was undeveloped. I've got huge points to mention in my review on this topic.

 
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Concerning screengrabs, there's a whole bunch uploaded here.  They might not have the screenshot you're looking for, but it might be worth a shot.

I looked there for it, but it just missed it. Her expression in the screenshot is envious, vain, demeaning, and possibly her trademark "evil eye".

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« Reply #415 on: 01-30-2008 18:10 »

Fan anger?  Hell, look at the poll.  Most people somehow think this turkey was great.  DXC and others looking at the poll think, "Oh snap, we have a winner!  People love this jerking Fry around shit.  Let's do more of this ship-stuff and the stupid fans will buy anything we put on DVD!"

So, out of say, a couple of million fans, only about 8,000 have ever stopped by this board.  Then there's less than 100 of us that are regular posters.  That's not a good section to base how good the DVD was.

People who think this was weak, a turkey, depressing, etc. aren't going to buy the next three DVD's.  So unless CC somehow finds a new bunch of fans, I predict that each DVD will sell fewer copies than the preceding one.

It may be big bragging points for Groening to share with his buddy Ted Rall, but the fact the DVD package is recycalable doesn't mean a thing to me, and the fact that it's the first carbon-neutral DVD may make Al Gore (the man with one of the largest carbon footprints known to man) have multiple orgasms, it still doesn't mean a damned thing to me.

I want a good story.  I want to be entertained.  I could give a rat's ass less about all the politically correct crap involved witht he DVD.

The story sucked, the songs sucked, the characters sucked.  The whole thing sucked the life out of Futurama.

Where were the great songs like "Robot Hell", "The Elves Are Back" and "Devil's Hands"? 

Yeah, I'm sounding like a broken record but I will be heard.  My wife had one of her church friends over and they watched BBS while I hung out in the garage.  The visiting friend said the DVD was 'alright but not as good as the TV series'.

That, my friends, is the fan who is not going to buy the next DVD because what she saw disappointed her.

As for haivng hardcore fans give them pointers, DXC and Groening are professionals and they would never corrupt their vision just to make fans happy.

Ralph 'really vocal today' Snart
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« Reply #416 on: 01-30-2008 18:41 »

I don't know, I think a lot of people will still buy the next movie based off reputation and concept. I know I thought Bender's Big Score was basically a flop, but I'll still buy all the movies. Actually, I don't think I personally know any Futurama fans who won't still go out and buy the movies. I lent my copy to a friend, who thought the movie wasn't as good as the TV episodes, but still went out and bought himself a copy after giving me mine back.

It's probably true that sales of the next movies will decline, but I doubt it will be drastic enough to turn heads. Besides that, the publicity of the new movies alone was enough to push up sales of seasons 1-5.
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« Reply #417 on: 01-30-2008 19:39 »

Ralph, you are not the entire goddamned audience. If you didn't like it, fine, but most people did. You can't please everybody and they ddn't please you. Oh well.

I prescribe DVD boxsets. They'll make you feel better about the show i general  wink
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« Reply #418 on: 01-30-2008 21:50 »
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No, I'm not the entire audience, but since I've been the trailblazer and been openly critical of the thing, other people have added their voices about shortcomings and disappointments of BBS.  That seems to make other uncomfortable.

Until Kryten bans me or tells me not to post in this thread again, I will state my opinion. 
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« Reply #419 on: 01-30-2008 22:35 »

You're stating that your opinion is the 'right' one and we're all crazy for liking it, that most people thought it was awful and that it's your opinion that should be recognised more fully. Your 'evidence' is "my wife's friend didn't like it much". You're in the minority. That's fine. Face that fact and realise that the next three aren't going to magically going to become perfect by your standards if you get heard out.
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« Reply #420 on: 01-30-2008 23:20 »

 
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You're stating that your opinion is the 'right' one and we're all crazy for liking it, that most people thought it was awful and that it's your opinion that should be recognised more fully. Your 'evidence' is "my wife's friend didn't like it much". You're in the minority. That's fine. Face that fact and realise that the next three aren't going to magically going to become perfect by your standards if you get heard out.

You better keep your nose out of this, Sonic. Ralph Snart is the first PEELer to step up and say that the movie wasn't Futurama. He was honest, and it's his opinion, so I give him credit. For a fan, it is difficult to admit that the new Futurama material we are recieving was not as great as we'd want it to be, but try to look into it. Aren't you even dissapointed by the movie one bit?
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« Reply #421 on: 01-30-2008 23:29 »

I was slightly. Mostly because of the open endedness of TDHAIP and they way I assumed it lead because of a certain deleted scene. For awhile before it came out I wasn't sure if it was going to be any good at all from what I'd seen. Then I saw more stuff and just got confused. All in all I still think it was very good.

Having said that I'm just going to walk aways slowly and not make eye contact with anyone. Don't have the energy to get pulled in. Especially not with Ralph and SP involved. Ralph could probably kill someone through verbal abuse alone (not always a bad thing) and I saw SP fight it out with JLE1993 a few months ago and that wasn't pretty either.
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« Reply #422 on: 01-30-2008 23:34 »
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Thanks you Frida for your support.

To be less negative, I'm really hoping that BBS was done as a way of progressing things forward by going backwards.  I'm still stung and angry that BBS destroyed some of the greatest moments of Futurama history.

That said, the series had some stinker episodes - That's Lobstertainment and The Cryonic Woman immediately come to mind.  They still made stellar episodes like Roswell, The Sting, Luck of the Fryish and X-Mas Story.  I'm hoping that BBS got the need to include every bit character and that time-travel thing that DXC has wanted to do for years out of the way and the next movies will be better.  Now that they got all the geek math crap out of the way, maybe, just maybe BWABBs will go back to the roots and give us the things we like.  The little preview we have does seem like it will be much better.

But as I said, in my opinion, it can't be any worse.

 
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Ralph could probably kill someone through verbal abuse alone (not always a bad thing) and I saw SP fight it out with JLE1993 a few months ago and that wasn't pretty either.

It's been years since I had to do a promo on somebody's ass (a wrestling term for the verbal sparring to hook the fans and move the storyline forward) but my wife says she sees it come to the surface every now and then.  smile

Open debate is a good thing.  Just in case there are lurkers from the production staff like there were back in the early days on USENET, they can get the nicks and picks and use that info to tweek and fine-tune the story.

This isn't the only place that my feelings have been vented.  Billy West himself has heard my complaints about BBS.  Because of his affiliation with the show, he can't say much other than he loves the roles he plays and to be patient, things will get better.

As for jle-1993 - she's my friend.  I'm kinda like that cyber big-brother to her - a person she can bounce thing off and she how they form.  She does seem to have a bit of spunk and backbone - the things I like to see in women. 

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« Reply #423 on: 01-30-2008 23:57 »

Ralph - from what I've been reading you're calling it a crapfest with no redeeming value, but I'm pretty sure you weren't one of the people who voted for "utter crap", were you?...In addition, I thought you said somewhere once that you were certain the next one was going to be better. You seem to be having more doubts now?

Once the initial enjoyment of watching it wore off, I was disappointed as well, as I've said, and I mentioned that it didn't feel to me like classic Futurama, but other good points have been brought up. I agree with a lot of what Officer 1BDI said about Leela. However, it hadn't really occurred to me that LaBarbara was just as much of a plot device as Leela in this movie also. She functioned mainly as an excuse to bring in Barbados Slim again, for whatever reason. The characterization of almost everyone was off, and even Fry just wasn't quite as likable as he usually is, although he didn't come across as creepy or possessed to me.

 
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The entire movie was underwritten.

More or less; and it's hard to figure out exactly why. They had enough time to do it, years to prepare, and one would think that they could have done a slightly better job. The only thing that makes any sense is that they were somehow trying to attract a larger audience and thought this was the way to do it, though I never understood why hurried writing and substandard characterization would accomplish that.
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« Reply #424 on: 01-31-2008 00:53 »
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*edit*

I should have e-mailed this instead.

Nothing to see here.

Move on.
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« Reply #425 on: 01-31-2008 02:39 »

Kryten, you have mail.

This is the result of not being in the majority.

I have edited the post that Kryten quoted.  My appologies to Sonic Panther for being brash, but I still have my opinions about BBS and they won't change.
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« Reply #426 on: 01-31-2008 02:51 »

There's no law against having a minority opinion.
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« Reply #427 on: 01-31-2008 03:07 »

 
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There's no law against having a minority opinion.

Hang around a bunch of snobs and tell them you enjoy drinking Budweiser.  Then you'll see how false that statement is.

See your next e-mail.  You may like it.  smile
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« Reply #428 on: 01-31-2008 08:37 »

 
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Aren't you even dissapointed by the movie one bit?

I wasn't, but that's because I never expected anything near perfection.  Coming into things, anything, really, with high expectations is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
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« Reply #429 on: 01-31-2008 10:11 »
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Ralph, I love you. And the funny thing is that I agree with almost all of your points. Leela/LeBarbara were pretty much jerks, and the whole thing was not as laugh-out-loud funny as the better episodes of the TV series. And yet I just think you're going overboard with the "crapfest" comments.

Most criticisms against BBS, while "right", just don't strike me as worth complaining about. I mean, who really cares what they do with LeBarbara? It's not like she's a serious, fleshed-out character. She's just a jokey minor character. They made her act like that because it was a funny way to advance the story.

 
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More or less; and it's hard to figure out exactly why. They had enough time to do it, years to prepare, and one would think that they could have done a slightly better job.

See, I don't agree with this. The show got cancelled. Then, a few years later, it was brought back. It's not like the writers were sitting there working night and day for years trying to come up with the perfect script to bring Futurama back.

They worked on Futurama, then the show got cancelled so they left and worked on other things--and then they were brought back.

I don't know what the production schedule was like for this DVD, but I'm sure they had deadlines that they had to meet, and they probably didn't have time to make it as perfect as they wanted. But the movie was good!
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« Reply #430 on: 01-31-2008 10:18 »


I don't think you're a minority Ralph. The implied denigration of DXC and Groening in some of your posts does bother me a little, though.

There seems to be a lot of 'post-BBS syndrome' going around. This is probably a good thing in that it will reduce the really sappy Fry/Leela fanfics. When I first saw BBS at the premiere, the shallowness of Leela, the passiveness of Fry, the casual way the Nibblonian plotline was tossed out, and the retconning of all the good episodes--all bothered me. I felt telling DXC that to his face wasn't really appropriate, given the venue.

But upon reflection I think these are hiccups. If someone rises from the dead and tries to perform a tap dance and sing, I'll forgive a couple of trips and some false notes. In some sense F/L is a victim of the show's erratic schedule. The 'creators' never knew if the show would end next week or continue for multiple years, so of course they had problems with how to develop the relationship. With the imminent cancellation of the show in Season 4 they accelerated the relationship, and now with the possibility of a multiple-season future they've decided they need to reset things a bit, setting off these emotional shock waves.

Everyone has had four years to inflate their expections, and that's natural.

The Fry/Leela relationship is a fundamental importance to the writers and the concept of the show, and at the BBS premiere you could tell that DXC, Groening, and the actors very much want the thing to succeed. I trust them. We're only 1/4 the way through what they envisioned as a complete season.

I'll end with a few quotes to illustrate my feeling that the show's heart is in the right place:

DXC on film.com:

"There were two camps we wanted to please with this return of Futurama. Actually, these two camps overlap, but we wanted to make sure both sides of the story were done well. One camp is the hardcore sci-fi fans, who get the big time-travel and space-battle story. The other camp are those hooked into our emotional, more relationship-based stories. That's where Fry and Leela come in.

I think we pulled it off, mixing the crazy sci-fi story -- all big guns and spaceships and a fleet of solid gold Death Stars -- and the emotional story. The emotional stories, those are harder to write, I think, but they have a bigger pay-off when they work. Making you feel moved at the end of all that crazy sci-fi fun stuff, that's when we feel like we've really done something and it's something we're really proud of."

TVSquad:
"Oh, I really appreciate that you thought it was touching. This movie was obviously a real writing challenge, because we wanted to do two things to make it a really big return to life. One was to have a real big, crazy science fiction story, and that was this epic time travel story where Bender is running around through time as a giant gun (laughs), and is affecting history and those kind of things. But at the same time, we wanted to have a story that followed up on the personal lives of our characters, both for the hard-core fans and to just bring it down to earth a little bit for fans who are coming for the first time to Futurama.

So we wanted to do two things that are difficult to do at the same time: a huge sci fi story and a touching emotional story. It's another thing I'm curious to see people's reaction to. But the fact that you used the word "touching" is touching to me. So it at least it worked a little bit. I appreciate it."

And I love the math jokes and carbon-neutral cover ;-)

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« Reply #431 on: 01-31-2008 10:29 »
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Look folks, I know I'm a newbie and most of you don't know me.  I think that the whole thing is just set up for what is yet to come.  Was BBS all I wanted it to be? Frankly, no.  Will I not get the next installment because of that ? No again.  I love this thing.  I'm an old shipper and that is one of the major hooks for me.  If DXC et al have a clue then this is sort of tweaking our noses a bit for taking what is just entertainment and attaching so much of our self image on it's animated back.  As a fan I have to place a little faith in what the creators are doing and just accept that I don't have a clue about how they intend to make this work.  That they will, I have little doubt.  Don't give up just because it didn't play out like many of us thought it should have.  I do agree that in many aspects it disappointed me.  I have a big heart and I DO agree with Mr. Joe.  We may have done nothing for 4 years but watch the reruns with ever increasing scrutiny, but, the writers didn't.
  For give my affrontery, I may be new but I am a very interested person.
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« Reply #432 on: 01-31-2008 12:14 »

I'm back this morning, a little less round up and less confrontational. 

(As a note, a person shouldn't operate heavy machinery, watch any political stuff on TV or be allowed near a keyboard while under the influence of Percocet, Flexeril and a couple of shots of Scotch.  The wife-unit told me this morning that I almost did an Elvis last night - I was about to shoot the Plasma Screen TV during some political crap.)

As I stated, I have it from someone in authority (does voices, has his own website, etc) that the DVD's will get better.  BBS may have been trying to do too much and getting the rust out of the system at the same time.  Like I stated in any earlier post - the series had some less-than-stellar episodes yet came back with some off-the-scale fantastic episodes.  I'm really, really hoping that that will be the case with BWABB.

That doesn't mean that I have changed my opinion of BBS - it left me with a very let-down, empty feeling after watching it.  I've watched a few more times but I just can't make myself like it.  I want to like it, but I just can't.  As Nix and Bobbot stated, it may be a case of expectations being too high.

And Bobbot, welcome.  Don't let your newness to the site keep yoy from posting or giving your true feelings about the series, episodes or the DVD's.

Everybody must remember one thing about me - I'm a loud, opinionated, psychotic loudmouth.  Samuli Torrenssen of Star Wreck told me so.  wink
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« Reply #433 on: 01-31-2008 12:26 »

I was thinking about writing my opinions about BBS.. but I can't really work up the energy for it. Sufficient to say I totally agree with what Ralph Snart has said about it.

I can't understand why people went ga-ga over it.. what a trainwreck.

No risk that I will see any of the other movies. BBS really put me off.

There, I've said it.. feel free to call me retarded, stupid etc.. I'm used to that.

"Finding your true love is like winning the lottery, it always happens to someone else."
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« Reply #434 on: 01-31-2008 13:20 »

Wow.  Just wow.

I thought I was the only one with such harsh feelings about BBS.

But Corvus, think about your least favorite episode of Futurama.  Did that put you off the entire series?

At least rent the next DVD and see if BBS was a case of rust and trying too hard to fill 88 minutes. 

Yes, as critical as I've been of BBS, we do owe the series that gave us so much entertainment another chance to redeem itself.
THM

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« Reply #435 on: 01-31-2008 14:09 »

I agree with FishyJoe, JN, and bobbot; expectations are tricky things to manage, especially with something that's been away this long, and that we like this much. I also agree with Ralph about 'ring rust'; give'em some time, and they'll be back on form before you know it. If we don't give them a chance, I doubt the show'll get another chance like this again.

So basically, I'm agreeing a lot.  big grin

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« Reply #436 on: 01-31-2008 14:19 »

One thing I will say is that BWABB is looking significantly better than this one...and I LIKED this one.
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« Reply #437 on: 01-31-2008 14:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
But Corvus, think about your least favorite episode of Futurama.  Did that put you off the entire series?

Nope.. but it wasn't as bad as BBS.

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
At least rent the next DVD and see if BBS was a case of rust and trying too hard to fill 88 minutes. 

Yes, as critical as I've been of BBS, we do owe the series that gave us so much entertainment another chance to redeem itself.

Sorry, but no. I was severely disappointed by BBS and since I'm a self-deprecating cynic I don't believe things will be better in A Beast With a Billion Backs.

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« Reply #438 on: 01-31-2008 15:39 »
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------IGNORE ME------

I went a little kuku there for a minute
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« Reply #439 on: 01-31-2008 17:10 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
One thing I will say is that BWABB is looking significantly better than this one...and I LIKED this one.

Now THAT is a statement I can get behind.  smile

'Naked ladies, naked ladies, naked ladies, naked ladies!'

- Justice Snoop Dogg, Into the Wild Green Yonder
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