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McGrady

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« on: 02-18-2002 12:54 »

For the first time in a long time, futurama scored higher in the nielson ratings than king of the hill.

NBC easily won the 7 p.m. hour, pulling a 12.3/21 at 8 p.m. In second place, CBS' "60 Minutes" clocked in an 8.1/14, to ABC's telecast of "Raiders of the Lost Ark," 2.7/8. FOX's "Futurama" grabbed a 4.6/8 in the first half-hour, followed by "King of the Hill's" 4.2/7.

Course it still got 3rd place.  But this means that people with neilson boxes watched futurama and actually changed the channel when king of the hill came on.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #1 on: 02-18-2002 13:03 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2002 13:03 »

So the lower rated show not only gets renewed, but also pre-fucking-empts Futurama next week. Good one, fox!
B.Frankendorfer

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« Reply #2 on: 02-18-2002 13:27 »

The most annoying concept is that the reason that KotH is preempting Futurama next week is because the episode that is supposed to air was cut off because of a football game.

Apparently, it's more important to run a missing KotH episode than it is run any of the Futurama eps that were supposed to have aired over year ago!!!
impact

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« Reply #3 on: 02-18-2002 13:37 »

 
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Originally posted by B.Frankendorfer:

Apparently, it's more important to run a missing KotH episode than it is run any of the Futurama eps that were supposed to have aired over year ago!!!

Huh?

Remember, Futurama would have to be beating KOTH constantly, not just once in X times to be considered more succesful.
B.Frankendorfer

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« Reply #4 on: 02-18-2002 16:25 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2002 16:25 »

I didn't say anything about the show being more successful.  It's not even in that quote.  I was talking about how if you look at the description in the TV Guide for the upcoming KotH episode, you'll see that it's the episode that was supposed to air after "Godfellas", but it got kicked out of it's spot because of football.  Futurama got kicked out of it's spot too, but no one at Fox deems it a good enough show to devote an hour to episodes that got booted, let alone almost a 1/3 of the episodes that should have aired already, but haven't.

It just shows where the stations priorities are.
McGrady

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« Reply #5 on: 02-18-2002 17:06 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2002 17:06 »

Impact: maybe it would beat King of the Hill if Futurama was aired more often.  The ratings for Futurama were superior to the ratings for King of the Hill when Futurama was on during Tuesday.  Futurama was then moved to Sunday to bolster the weak ratings of King of the Hill (compared to the Simpsons).

For about 1/2 a season, Futurama was rated higher than King of the Hill, and even 60 minutes; then baseball started going into Futurama's time slot, much like football is doing now.  Fox rarely, if ever, would show previews for Futurama, as it would be pre-empted so many times.  They allowed Futurama to be pre-empted an entire season, and not even allowing King of the Hill to get off by one day; virtually cancelling one show when another show is an equal performer makes some things obvious.

The market share for Futurama and King of the Hill are different.  King of the Hill's 6:30/7:30 timeslot has more viewers.  Where Futurama might get a 4.0/8, King of the Hill has gotten many many times a barely higher than Futurama... such as 4.5/8.  Same percent (second number is percent); different number of viewers.

Many people who watch Futurama also watch the Simpsons; they leave the channel on during King of the Hill.  Stick a show without a following on before koth, and the ratings will drop several percent.  Conversely, if you put Futurama on during King of the Hill's timeslot, people who watch King of the Hill might want to watch the Simpsons will watch Futurama.  A 4-4.5(futurama-koth) might become skewed to a 3.5-5(koth-futurama).

In other words, King of the Hill barely does better than Futurama like it is now.  If Futurama was switched with King of the Hill, Futurama would do better for the same reasons.  It takes a great effort for Futurama to do better than King of the Hill; people actually have to tune in on a constantly pre-empted un-advertised show, and change the channel from a show in between the two things they watch... which actually happened in this case.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #6 on: 02-18-2002 17:14 »

Basically FOX screwed Futurama's time slot but Futurama still pulls in the ratings depite the shabby treatment it's given.
McGrady

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« Reply #7 on: 02-18-2002 17:24 »

Exactly, Otis.

Almost any show will do well up to a point if enough advertising is thrown at it and if certain things fall into place: timeslot, what airs before and after it, and what airs on the other stations.

Some shows however do better than others with no help; Futurama does tons better than king of the hill based on the things I mentioned in the previous paragraph.  I see many more ads for king of the hill than I see for Futurama (or even family guy, but that is a different topic entirely)

Argue if you want; the key to the success of a show is directly related to its ratings.  Ratings are directly related to 1.) Timeslot (both time of day and relation to other shows) 2.) Quality of the show (compared to other shows) 3.) Advertising.

If all 3 of the groups fail, the show fails.  If 2 of the 3 fail, the show will probably fail.  If 1 of the 3 fail, it might fail, might succeed.  If none fail, the show will very likely be a success.
Just Chris

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« Reply #8 on: 02-18-2002 17:37 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2002 17:37 »

The fact that's annoying me is that it always had higher ratings than Futurama and I never even knew that. To be honest, I don't think ratings are fair because they are not curved for time slots and publicity. Of the three things McGrady said, number 2 should be the only thing that should rate the show's popularity.

Also, what McGrady said about the ratings being altered by swapping time slots, I think that although 4.0/4.5 (futurama/hoth) and 3.5/5.0 (koth/futurama) produce the same mean (4.25) the former would produce a smaller range (0.5 versus the 1.5), which is what many networks want with their programming. Putting publicity aside, koth will probably decrease in ratings as Futurama's grows higher if it moves to 6:30. My solution: move Futurama to 7:30 so The Simpsons can wedge in to keep koth out of the way.

A conistent range amongst their programs' ratings with no extremes is the ideal situation. If there are too many extremely high-rated shows, the likelihood of shows getting the boot would increase. With Fox it would be no problem for us; we will all want to do away with the cheesy reality shows, but until they come to their senses, they would still hold them in high regard.  mad
FishyJoe

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« Reply #9 on: 02-25-2002 18:28 »

Just a little ratings FYI: last night's 7pm showing of King of the Hill got a 3.6/6. The 7:30 showing got a 4.6/7. I'm no ratings-analyzing expert, but Futurama is way better.
Allen

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« Reply #10 on: 02-25-2002 18:32 »

I don't even undersatand how ratings work or how they're gotten
cellery

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« Reply #11 on: 02-25-2002 19:08 »
« Last Edit on: 02-25-2002 19:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Allen:
I don't even undersatand how ratings work or how they're gotten

There's a firm called the Nielsen Media Research group that puts out the ratings. They randomly select people and ask them to have a device installed that keeps track of what shows are watched in that household. Since it is a random sample, it is supposed to represent the viewing habits of America as a whole.

Of course it's not perfect, but within a +/- 5% margin of error. Others are selected to keep a diary of their TV watching, with the same end result of determining the TV ratings. They can tell who's watching from a box installed with a button corresponding to each person in the household. If it sounds intrusive, it is, but you get paid a little bit for your trouble. It's cool how your "vote" represents millions of people though.   smile
Allen

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« Reply #12 on: 02-25-2002 19:10 »

Yeah, it is smile Thanks!
McGrady

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« Reply #13 on: 02-26-2002 12:03 »

Just proves my point, Futurama does better than king of the hill in the same timeslot.  Heck, king of the hill at 7:00 (6:00 C) scored lower than any episode of futurama this season.

But, they will still kill the show and stick the simpsons reruns in its place, as they do better than most anything, and are probably tons cheaper.
Allen

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« Reply #14 on: 02-26-2002 16:49 »

Isn't it scary when what you thought was fantasy takes on a disturbing reality? Anyway, KoTH is okay, but Futurama is much better.
rach_the_tall

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« Reply #15 on: 02-27-2002 08:15 »

Obviously better. Sometimes I just wish that fox would come on to peel and read our fabulous sense making arguements, take them on board and stop with the fuckwittage.
Just Chris

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« Reply #16 on: 02-27-2002 13:02 »

Do you think Fox even visits their own boards? If Fox starts their own Futurama board, we should take over it before the idiot fans do. It shouldn't receive the fate that the dreaded Simpsons.com board received.
Nixorbo

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« Reply #17 on: 02-27-2002 14:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Just Chris:
If Fox starts their own Futurama board, we should take over it before the idiot fans do

Umm, the Official Fox Futurama Message Board has been in existance for over a year.

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Kryten

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« Reply #18 on: 02-27-2002 14:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
 Umm, the Official Fox Futurama Message Board has been in existance for over a year.


Yeah, and look at its general level of quality.
cellery

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« Reply #19 on: 02-27-2002 14:36 »

Troll-a-riffic! Plus the color scheme is gaudy and the thread navigation sucks. It always seems like the "official" messageboards for anything aren't the best ones.
Allen

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« Reply #20 on: 02-27-2002 16:55 »

I like "People who hate Football are Gay". I've never had my preference decided for me wink :Looks around: Ok, I'm not gay and I don't want to be. 
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #21 on: 02-27-2002 17:10 »

Fox fourm's just plain sucks! They have a bunch of four year olds there and they type crap like "i lov SIMPSONS cuz thay roc".

Allen

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« Reply #22 on: 02-27-2002 17:40 »

I noticed that too
Tweek

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« Reply #23 on: 02-28-2002 05:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
 Umm, the Official Fox Futurama Message Board has been in existance for over a year.

I'd not visited the official forum before, I'm glad, it is so lame compared to PEEL, do people get lobotomised when they sign up?

Teral

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« Reply #24 on: 02-28-2002 10:06 »

Just imagine the OFFMB closed, and all those posters came to PEEL.  eek

And what's with all the hatred between Futurama and Simpsons fan on that board? I too was disapointed by the later seasons of Simpsons, but still... Yet they do have some convincing arguements.  roll eyes
Allen

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« Reply #25 on: 02-28-2002 18:23 »

Really? I didn't see em roll eyes
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