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trickster381

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« Reply #600 on: 11-09-2007 22:58 »

Why do people not like the fact that Amy was in it more then Fry. Compare the entire series of Fry to Amy and see what you get, it's only fair to give Amy one episode where shes more important then Fry
Frisco17

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« Reply #601 on: 11-10-2007 00:02 »

I love the entire sequence in the Holo shed. Also you gotta love the angry dome. Not nearly enough Fry though.
seattlejohn01

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« Reply #602 on: 11-10-2007 01:35 »

Yeah, I love the angry dome; such a great visual.  I'll bet the writers wrote it as a riff on the Get Smart "Cone of Silence"...
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« Reply #603 on: 11-10-2007 08:19 »

Hee, I love that...

Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #604 on: 11-10-2007 09:29 »

Today's episode is Leela's Homeworld. 'Tis a pretty boring episode and poor Fry you find out that he wrote a very personal letter to Leela and she flushed it.
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« Reply #605 on: 11-10-2007 09:47 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2007 09:47 »

Here's the story behind that letter.

All and all, best episode, methinks.

(Especially Bender. You notice how he showed compassion at the end, with his "Awww..."? Without there being selfish ramifications? This is tantamount to Spock's "Jim!" at the end of 'Amok Time'. Brilliant, absolutely fantastic!)

1BDI, you were saying?...

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« Reply #606 on: 11-10-2007 11:26 »

 
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Originally posted by trickster381:
Why do people not like the fact that Amy was in it more then Fry. Compare the entire series of Fry to Amy and see what you get, it's only fair to give Amy one episode where shes more important then Fry

Hate Amy, LOVE Fry.

Fry = <3
Amy = </3

I can explain it in a few other ways if you'd like.
Officer 1BDI

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« Reply #607 on: 11-10-2007 12:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
1BDI, you were saying?...

...I was saying how I completely mistranslated your use of the word "rant" three pages ago.  tongue

But I did promise my own rant, so here goes.  Before I do, I want to say that I know this is a popular episode and that I know I'm coming in with a rather unpopular opinion about it.  I'm not trying to convert anyone with this ramble, and I sincerely doubt I would even if that were my intention; I'm just trying to explain myself.

(Also, this reached two pages in MS Word, so... turn away if you don't want to waste a small portion of your life on this.)

"Leela's Homeworld" is, IMO, a brilliant idea that was simply executed in a less-than-brilliant manner.  That I had been waiting for an episode like this, a proper "Leela's origins" episode, to air for years probably didn't help matters; I'm sure my expectations were raised much higher than they should have been because of this.

Anyway, the first act was actually pretty good: it was nice to see the orphanarium again, and I thought using Leela as an example of how a parentless life doesn't immediately condemn you to a living hell was a nice contrast to the "failures" we saw in "The Cyberhouse Rules."  I thought the kids pretending to be Leela and seeing her as a hero of sorts was adorable.  Even better was seeing her break down later that night, a scene that not only reinstated just how desperate she was to find her family, but also helped reinforce some bonds between her and Fry (always a good thing in my book   flirt ).

And then Leela said that line and the camera made [/i]that pan[/i] and everything just started going to pot.

I'm sorry, but the huge revelation in the third act was severely dampened for me by the final seconds of the first act.  When Leela talks about her parents "looking down" on her, and the camera pans to the sky... and then immediately drops to the sewer below to reveal Morris and Munda, I cringe.  Every time.  DXC said on the commentary that the revelation was intentional, but I'm still not sure I understand the logic of allowing the audience to know of Leela's secret before Leela herself knows: because of it, I found Leela's suspicious through much of the second and third acts a lot less interesting and a lot less intense.  Why bother working myself up over her concerns if I already knew the answer she was looking for?  It just seemed like a really bad move in general.

Some could argue that the audience had to know about Leela's parents beforehand so they could understand the significance of killing them when she threatened to at the end of act 3, but that information was established (reinforced, in this case) anyway during the flashback scene that occured immediately prior to that incident.  All the other times that we saw Leela's parents, they were cloaked or hidden away, as though we the audience were not meant to see them for who they really were.  Their actions hinted at their true identity, of course, but that's all they really did: hinted.  At no point did I feel that knowing who they were at the beginning of the episode contributed to the story; if anything, it took away from the experience.  Because of this, I fail to understand why that first establishing peak of Leela's identity in act 1 was even necessary.

That was my biggest grudge against the episode, but there were other smaller things that bugged me.  Why were the mutants so suddenly keen on taking down the trio when 1) Only Bender had been doing the dumping and 2) a few years back, they were revered has heros for getting rid of El Chupanibre? I could have forgiven the former if they'd bothered to explain the latter, but it seemed like they had entirely forgotten about Fry, Leela, and Bender's first trip to the sewers. 

Also, why did Leela risk becoming mutated just to see who the cloaked pair were?  At that point, it wasnít even established that she suspected them to know about her past, let alone that they were related to them, so why did she risk everything just to confront a pair of strangers who happened to know her name?  It seemed rather OOC for the normally level-headed and rational Leela, and I felt that jumping scene was simply thrown in to close off the second act on a dramatic note, which IMO was just not a good enough excuse to justify it.  Why didnít she just find another sewer grate and sneak into the town and back to the mysterious house that raised so many questions? 

Furthermore, she walks out of the water completely unharmedÖ and the mutants who just banished her do nothing.  Yes, she beats a guard down who tries to stop her, but I was under the impression that he was simply protecting Morris and Munda.  Why didnít anyone step up and try to send her back to the surface?

Shockingly, there were some parts I enjoyed.  tongue  I thought the flashback of Leelaís birth and subsequent abandonment were very well done, and the montage at the end was very sweet.  Fry was great in this episode.

I'll admit, I probably would have forgiven much of this if this episode hadn't been so important to the series.  But as something that held so much weight, that tells such a critical chapter of the story, I felt it fell short in many respects.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #608 on: 11-10-2007 16:29 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2007 16:29 »

I have to second everything that Office1BDI talked/ranted about. That's all the stuff that didn't make sense to me too. Also we've known that Leela's parents were mutants since season 2 remember I Second That Emotion. Also I have to second what SP said about Amy and Fry.

One last thing that is off topic: How can I make my avatar something original, like SP has her simpsonized self?
Officer 1BDI

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« Reply #609 on: 11-10-2007 16:35 »

You have to either make your own avatar or request someone to make you one in this thread, and then you post the image in this thread so GFF can upload it.  Then you go through your profile options to switch it.

You'll need to be quick, though; he's uploading the next batch tomorrow and after that it'll be a few weeks or months before he'll do it again.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #610 on: 11-10-2007 16:45 »

Thank you.
Xanfor

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« Reply #611 on: 11-10-2007 18:55 »

Wait a minute here... You mean there's more scenes between when the camera pans up to the moon (and stops there) and when Fry visits the Orphanarium? That's funny, they never showed up on my copy...

Kryten

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« Reply #612 on: 11-10-2007 18:56 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2007 18:56 »

I don't know why 1BDI is so upset about THAT pan... after all, sharp-eyed folks have known the truth since ep. 14.

Anyway, a olid episode that loses some points because of a failure to, as they say, Bring the Funny.
trickster381

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« Reply #613 on: 11-10-2007 19:43 »

just to let everyone know theres only 17 days left, its getting closer
Officer 1BDI

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« Reply #614 on: 11-10-2007 19:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
I don't know why 1BDI is so upset about THAT pan... after all, sharp-eyed folks have known the truth since ep. 14.

I know.  frown  I'm not sure how to explain it, because you're right, a lot of people (including me) already suspected the truth long before that episode even aired, and from that perspective, my annoyance with the first act makes little, if any, sense.  But if I look at the episode on its own, without "I Second That Emotion" and others that hinted on her origins to stand behind it, then the annoyance I felt seems more... justified?

...

I didn't say my logic was flawless!  cry
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #615 on: 11-10-2007 20:20 »

Officer 1BDI nobody's logic but Spock's is flawless.
trickster381

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« Reply #616 on: 11-10-2007 20:41 »
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I just watched I second that emotion and saw what u guys were talking about




I never noticed that before

P.S how could Leela not see her parents they had a giant eye
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #617 on: 11-10-2007 20:55 »

I love Leela's Homeworld.  I'm sure that episode disappointed many fanfic writers who wrote their origins of Leela.

It's interesting that Hermes didn't mutate after tasting that toxic waste, but I guess that delete scene is truth that there's a some percent chance that one won't be affected.
km73

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« Reply #618 on: 11-10-2007 22:08 »

Wow, Officer 1BDI, that was an excellent summary/analysis.

 
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Originally posted by Officer 1BDI:
DXC said on the commentary that the revelation was intentional, but I'm still not sure I understand the logic of allowing the audience to know of Leela's secret before Leela herself knows: because of it, I found Leela's suspicious through much of the second and third acts a lot less interesting and a lot less intense.  Why bother working myself up over her concerns if I already knew the answer she was looking for?  It just seemed like a really bad move in general.

Some could argue that the audience had to know about Leela's parents beforehand so they could understand the significance of killing them when she threatened to at the end of act 3, but that information was established (reinforced, in this case) anyway during the flashback scene that occured immediately prior to that incident.

I met Kristin Gore, the writer of this episode, at a bookstore here in Milwaukee back in July, but unfortunately I can't offer any additional insight into your speculation above about the logic of the plot exposition, since I didn't ask her anything about "Leela's Homeworld". (Basically she listened very politely while I rambled for ten minutes about how much I loved the show and how fun it must have been to get to work with funny nerds. And I tried to ask her whether the show was coming back after the DVD releases.)

As with many of the episodes, my perspective of this one was somewhat distorted by seeing it out of order, so that the points mentioned above had a decreased impact on me. I had already seen not only ISTE, but also both "Less than Hero" and "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles", by the time I saw LH, so I have no idea how I would have reacted to the revelation of her parents. In any case, I thought Fry was really helpful in this episode, and the ending was wonderful. Bender's little "aww" led so well into the concluding scenes with that lovely music.

Kryten

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« Reply #619 on: 11-10-2007 22:47 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I love Leela's Homeworld.  I'm sure that episode disappointed many fanfic writers who wrote their origins of Leela.

It's interesting that Hermes didn't mutate after tasting that toxic waste, but I guess that delete scene is truth that there's a some percent chance that one won't be affected.

Hermes didn't mutate because it's just a teeny bit of one kind of toxic waste, while the stuff in the sewers is a blend of many different kinds, plus good-old American feces.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #620 on: 11-10-2007 23:06 »

I hope there's more to come on the race of sewer mutants. The logic seems too wacky to give a stable reason why they are supporting an entire society down there.
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« Reply #621 on: 11-10-2007 23:44 »

 
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...plus good-old American feces.
 

[Hand over Heart] God Bless America!

 
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The logic seems too wacky to give a stable reason why they are supporting an entire society down there.

They're being supported by all the Dry Cleaning businesses seen in ISTE.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #622 on: 11-10-2007 23:50 »

...

Er... my wording bad. I was talking about how they got down there. Perhaps the world biggest toilet is in order?
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #623 on: 11-11-2007 06:03 »
« Last Edit on: 11-11-2007 06:03 »

Easy on how the mutants ended up in the sewers.  There were at least two major wars waged by aliens on NNY.  Most probably radiological devices were used so that damaged the DNA of some of the population.  Human beings being what they are, the unaffected probably forced the damaged into the sewers so that they wouldn't have to see them.  The mutants were kept there to prevent the damaged DNA from becoming intermingled with the undamaged DNA.

Then the sewers were flooded with radioactive waste and good old, American feces...

Granted that's not canon and has not been said as truth in the series, but it's a good guess.
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #624 on: 11-11-2007 10:04 »

Today's episode is Love and Rocket. The Romanticorp couple really freaks me out.
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« Reply #625 on: 11-11-2007 10:21 »
« Last Edit on: 11-11-2007 10:21 »

They freak me out too.  In a good, hilarious way.
Ralph Snart

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« Reply #626 on: 11-11-2007 10:24 »

You just know that the couple have bodies hidden all over the building...
gaschief

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« Reply #627 on: 11-11-2007 11:04 »

I agree with Ralph, they are Futurama's Fred and Rosemary West. ( The serial killer couple from England )
SonicPanther

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« Reply #628 on: 11-11-2007 12:51 »

Love and Rocket is great. I loved the ending... Zoidberg is adorable, like a combination of a puppy AND a small child.
trickster381

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« Reply #629 on: 11-11-2007 13:08 »

I love Bender and his version of Daisy

I loved the little cute bears, yet I was disturbed about the fact that they killed them and stuffed them with fluff

I loved the candy hearts and there recipe
bend_her

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« Reply #630 on: 11-11-2007 13:36 »

For all we know, the candies are probably made from the remains... and the Soylent candy trademark was already taken.

I like Bender's line to the PE ship: "Tubes? You're older than I thought!"

I suppose with the advent of LCDs, we're finally rid of tubes (valves to you UK folk) in commercial equipment. Still, I love my 1 MW Klystrons  smile
Kryten

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« Reply #631 on: 11-11-2007 13:57 »

Unlike the last episode, this one managed to be emotional AND hilarious.

"That would me dating a really fat woman, and living inside her, and she'd be all *makes whooshing noises*"
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #632 on: 11-11-2007 14:24 »

 
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Originally posted by trickster381:
I loved the little cute bears, yet I was disturbed about the fact that they killed them and stuffed them with fluff.

Fire retardant love fluff. That part always disturbs me and Amy isn't even freaked out either. I love Zoidy at the end too. Funny and random but he manages to break up a Fry/Leela moment!  mad I second what Kryten said about this episode being hilarious and emotional. Yeah I wouldn't be suprised if the Romanticorp couple were serial killers.
seattlejohn01

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« Reply #633 on: 11-11-2007 15:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Bendersfan1221:
The Romanticorp couple really freaks me out.

Yeah; me too.  I have to keep insulin handy when I watch this episode, in case I go into sugar shock...  puke
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« Reply #634 on: 11-11-2007 17:00 »

I just recently started watching the episodes with the commentary on after all these years having them. I'm so excited about the new dvd at the end of the month.
BenderUnit22
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« Reply #635 on: 11-11-2007 17:13 »

I gotta wonder if this is the same Evil Lincoln who sold poison milk to school children  wink

 
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Originally posted by Bendersfan1221:
Evil Lincoln is awesome. They should out him into the new episodes at least once.
km73

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« Reply #636 on: 11-11-2007 18:40 »

Love and Rocket is my favorite shippy episode (since I never really considered TKOS shippy, as such) and one of my favorites overall. Also, the ending affected me strongly not the first, but oddly enough the second time I saw it.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #637 on: 11-11-2007 20:30 »

Love and Rocket is the very last time that Fry, Bender and Leela make an actual delivery.  After this, Futurama lost a little bit of its direction.  I sometimes wondered, what was the point in going to work.

TWOF doesn't count since Bender and Leela just come back from a mission and Fry didn't go.

The Sting doesn't count since they were just getting honey for the Professor.
jacoby

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« Reply #638 on: 11-11-2007 21:13 »
« Last Edit on: 11-11-2007 21:13 »

super ninja edit: I'm dumb
(responded about tubes, was wrong, and actually posted a link to a page that said I was wrong.  Oops)

If a mod wants to delete this post, its pretty worthless now.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #639 on: 11-11-2007 22:08 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I sometimes wondered, what was the point in going to work.

I'm sure it comforts the Professor when he's assured that there's plenty of young organs around for him in case one of his fails. Or something...
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