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mtvcdm

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« Reply #40 on: 01-06-2002 00:27 »

I think I can do the plot lines. You know where to find me. (And I promise, no game shows. I do those myself.)
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #41 on: 01-06-2002 01:04 »
« Last Edit on: 01-06-2002 01:04 »

I LOVE Kryten's fanfics. She'll do just fine. I say we draft/nominate her. I'll draw if you need some help and such. Of course, I'll need some mentoring...*hint towards Sarge*
Kryten

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« Reply #42 on: 01-06-2002 01:06 »

 
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Originally posted by FrysGIRL:
I LOVE Krytens fanfics. She'll do just fine. I say we draft/nominate her.

I'm not a she. You're thinking of Nurdbot.

*runs*

FrysGIRL

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« Reply #43 on: 01-06-2002 01:07 »

Oh, I forgot. Can't blame me...

He'll do just fine.
Sarge

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« Reply #44 on: 01-06-2002 01:20 »

Kryten, admit it. You're a young blossoming woman!   laff
Kryten

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« Reply #45 on: 01-06-2002 01:45 »

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #46 on: 01-06-2002 05:19 »

I could do some of the storyboards, I don't have a scanner yet but when I do I will post the storyboard I made of Bender which I did as a college project. I will also post pictures of my 3D Bender which I made on Bryce 4 and a picture I am still working on at the moment which is like the Simpsons poster "Cast of Characres" but with Futurama characters instead.
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #47 on: 01-06-2002 14:39 »

This is all so unorganized   hmpf
FuturFlyer

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« Reply #48 on: 01-06-2002 14:44 »

It is possible folks ... Flash ain't that complicated if you use it as a simple "cartooning tool" it's just fixing images one after the other ... sound wouldn't be too complicated either ... mouth movement with voice could become tricky ... , but hey it's worth a try ...

FuturFlyer
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #49 on: 01-06-2002 15:01 »
« Last Edit on: 01-06-2002 15:01 »

This is a very stupid illegal idea but you could sample the words from proper episodes, the only problem is there would be a limited vocabulary and the tone of voice, just a thought.
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #50 on: 01-06-2002 15:16 »

Simple? How many people are going to be involved? Are they even dedicated? There are so many questions left unanswered. Plus, the whole illegal factor.
FuturFlyer

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« Reply #51 on: 01-06-2002 15:22 »

Well see , this is where the tricky part is ... All people who wanna do this thing have to be deticated ... As Otis P. Jivefunk said the voices are gonna be a problem ... The illegal thingy won't make that any easier ...

FuturFlyer
I LOVE LEELA

Crustacean
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« Reply #52 on: 01-06-2002 17:56 »

Gather round everybody, Great news! :-)

I turn my back for thirty seconds and suddenly there's 20 new posts! :-)

My last message was deleted (God knows why) so here it all is again:

I did think of the voice-sampling idea - it sounded good in theory, but that WOULD be illegal, we'd get done for it straight away, and it'd sound like that film Sneakers where they record some bloke's voice in order to access a voiceprint protected vault, or something. (I forget the film!)

FORTUNATELY, the idea as it stands is LEGAL. It is allowed by the Fair Use clause in the Copyright Act, permitting parody.

FrysGirl, you're absolutely right - this is STUNNINGLY disorganised! Just like everything else I'm involved in!

Let's try get everybody who's helping together, and get a team sorted out, so everybody knows what the other is doing...? Since I had the ruddy idea I'll be team leader. ;-) (Authority! Authority! At last! You will repsect my authoritah! Oops, wrong show...)

First thing to do would seem to get a story selected and get a script in place? (Then I can get on with the score.) Agreed?

I know this is a bugger of a job, but it IS a good idea, and with a little cooperation, we'll show them how it's done. Anybody who disagrees can bite my rusty metal ass. ;-)

Thankyou, all, for offering to be involved in this - how wonderful is the Internet? :-)

Cheerio for now, people!

Danny
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #53 on: 01-06-2002 18:07 »
« Last Edit on: 01-06-2002 18:07 »

Just a little point I would like to make for no apparant reason, If everyone who watched and made these new episodes had Season One on DVD, and all of the voice samples were taken from that, then it should be legal because we would have already paid for the material.

I know this will never happen and we would have no control over who would see them once they are online but it's a nice thought.
Sarge

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« Reply #54 on: 01-06-2002 18:11 »

A messege board doesn't make a good animation studio.
I LOVE LEELA

Crustacean
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« Reply #55 on: 01-06-2002 22:01 »

Do you have a fully kitted out animation studio we could use? ;-)
Sarge

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« Reply #56 on: 01-06-2002 22:39 »

Yes. Go to 123 Fake Street, Springfield.  laff
VelourFog

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« Reply #57 on: 01-06-2002 23:12 »

aw Sarge let the kiddies have their dreams, it passes the time while serving hamburgers
Sarge

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« Reply #58 on: 01-07-2002 00:08 »

Velour, don't be in such a hurry to have the cynicism of a 40+ year old. You're too smart for that.
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #59 on: 01-07-2002 03:23 »

 
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FORTUNATELY, the idea as it stands is LEGAL. It is allowed by the Fair Use clause in the Copyright Act, permitting parody.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Since when was this going to be a parody?
I LOVE LEELA

Crustacean
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« Reply #60 on: 01-07-2002 12:10 »

Well, we'll SAY it's a parody so we don't get done! :-)

Parody in the sense that it's not the original.

Don't worry - I'm not planning some awful p***-take on our favourite series! :-)

I LOVE LEELA

Crustacean
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« Reply #61 on: 01-07-2002 19:33 »

Hi again people,

While I remember, I do not, never have, and never will have any intention of ever, at any time now or in the future, serving hamburgers for any reason whatsoever!

One more thing... Okay, I'm a bit slow, and I've only been on the board a week, but would I be correct in assuming Sarge has something to do with the show, from a professional point of view? Just a funny feeling I'm getting here...

If so, it's an honour to meet you. If not, I'm as daft as arseholes and I apologise for being thoroughly dumb. :-)

Cheerio,
Danny
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #62 on: 01-07-2002 20:11 »

 
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Originally posted by I LOVE LEELA:
Well, we'll SAY it's a parody so we don't get done! :-)

Parody in the sense that it's not the original.

Don't worry - I'm not planning some awful p***-take on our favourite series! :-)


Nuh-uh. That's not going to cut it.  no no
I LOVE LEELA

Crustacean
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« Reply #63 on: 01-07-2002 20:20 »

It will. Read the copyright act. :-)
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #64 on: 01-07-2002 20:38 »
« Last Edit on: 01-07-2002 20:38 »

 
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Originally posted by I LOVE LEELA:
Hi guys,

Further to my last message, I have made an interesting discovery - THIS WOULD BE LEGAL!

PARODY is legal provided that it is made clear it has no association with the source material. In other words, if somebody mistook it for an actual episode, it would be illegal. It is covered in the "Fair Use" category of the copyright act. Using the characters of Futurama and placing them in an original scenario, thus, is perfectly legal.

Thank God for that!

As for story lines, this is a little tiny problem. My original idea was to use something of the fan fiction that's already been written, adapted for the animation medium. If anybody wants to submit something, PLEASE DO! Concentrating on minor chatacters is a fantastic idea - but I'd hate to loose sight of the major characters as, for me, they "make" the series. Maybe Hypnotoad could feature. Maybe we could expand on Nibbler and his people, homeplanet, etc. I like this idea more, actually, as by definition, it calls for an awful lot of Leela.

Don't know - I need help! Let's get a team together or something!

Danny


I highly doubt it counts as a parody. You can't just give it an original script and use the characters and call it legal.

Question: Are they going to have the same personalities? Do you just plan on using their images? Are the characters mocked in any way? Are there going to be episodes? I would understand if it was a parody, as in a reference, but besides that? I dunno

I LOVE LEELA

Crustacean
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« Reply #65 on: 01-07-2002 21:10 »

Hi FrysGIRL,

I would like to keep personalities the same, otherwise we've got nothing more than ripped off characters. If we're going to rip stuff off, we might as well go the whole bunch! ;-)

I understand your reservations RE legality... The law is a real ass sometimes!

However... Fan art is legal. Fan fiction is legal. (If it weren't, countless pages would have been shut down ages ago.) Extend the concept to moving fan art and spoken fan fiction.

Even if this weren't the case, we wouldn't be doing Fox out of any money, which is what it all boils down to, after all! :-) I doubt that they would complain about what amounts to free advertising for Futurama. Quote from legal website - "It should not harm the commercial value of the work -- in the sense of people no longer needing to buy it.... Now, as it turns out, many, but not all holders of popular copyrights turn a blind eye to "fan fiction" or even subtly encourage it because it helps them."

Rationalisation 1) Our animation will never be confused with a proper episode of Futurama.

Rationalisation 2) We will make quite clear the noncommercial intention of the work and our intention to promote, rather than stifle, the original series. There is no question of financial loss on the part of Fox or the Curiosity Company.

Rationalisation 3) Current flash animation sites for Futurama and other series have not been closed down. Producers of Star Trek fan-films are not hassled by Paramount.

Rationalisation 4) If the worst comes to the worst, all we have to do is forget the project. If Fox get stropy, we shut down.

What do y'all think?

Come on, people, cheer up! Stop being so ruddy NEGATIVE! :-)

Danny,
NOT Mike!!! (People keep asking if I'm Mike for some reason - I AM NOT! :-)
FrysGIRL

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« Reply #66 on: 01-07-2002 21:59 »

Hey, I'm cynical and all, but I'm also realistic. I want to get everything straight before anything gets done. I would hate for this project to stop in the middle of production.

Where are the "episodes" (Or whatever they're going to be called) going to be posted? Once an advertisement is placed on the website that this "episode" is posted on, won't FOX have a fit?

You seem to have done your research, so, the green light in on for me  smile Are people going to audition for parts? How are you going to select writers. Can you set up a temporary message board (or something else) somewhere else for us all that are interested to discuss it or shall we just stay here?
payndz

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« Reply #67 on: 01-08-2002 11:31 »

You don't have to use Flash to do animation. I did a Voyager parody using iMovie, QuickTime and my faithful scanner  wink

It didn't get finished, but that was more because my flow got interrupted by a holiday (and when I got back I suddenly had less desire to draw another 15-20 scenes and animate them) than by technical limitations. Actually, iMovie 2 would have been infinitely easier to use than iMovie 1 because you can synchronise audio to specific clips instead of it sliding about whenever you edit, but hey...

Not full animation by any means, but speaking, blinking and a certain degree of arm movement were easy enough. I would put a pointer to the QTs, but GeoCities seems to have taken all my pages down, including ANSTATMAW...  frown
I LOVE LEELA

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« Reply #68 on: 01-09-2002 17:38 »

Hi all, and FrysGIRL

First up, apologies for my hasty disappearance from #futuramachat the other day - my computer likes to crash, and I couldn't boot it up again until today! (Back to the original CD ROM and recovery disk!)

Thankyou for being realistic - somebody's got to! :-) It's not something I'm particularly good at. :-)

Q. Where will the episodes be posted?

A. I don't know. If nobody else wants to host them, I'll do it myself. Since Fox have not closed down any other Futurama sites - including ones with video clips, audio clips, fan fiction, fan art, etc, I don't suppose we will be treated any different. If the appropriate disclaimers are put in place there won't be a problem. :-)

Q. Are people going to audition for parts?

A. It would be lovely if they could, but that assumes that there will be sufficient interested parties!! :-) Obviously, I'm out  since I can't do a good American accent. If a cockney voice were ever appropriate I'd of course provide it!

I think the general rule is, if you're interested, you can speak, and you have a microphone, you're in. :-) It would be nice, of course, to be selective, but I see this going ahead with the barest minimum of participants... :-(

Q. How are you going to select writers?

It all depends on who's willing to contribute. It would make sense to work on some existing fan fiction for our first outing, but obviously it would need a little pruning and editing for visual purposes... If anybody wishes to suggest a particular story that's not too long, not too heavy on SFX, and that has an identifiable author (so we can ask permission) PLEASE DO! Brand new fiction written specifically for the purpose would be brilliant, too.

Suggestions for storyline likewise appreciated. :-)

Q. Can we set up a temporary message board?

A. That's a great idea! Unfortunately, all the decent boards cost money - something I don't have a fat lot of! :-) Unless anybody objects, I see no real problem with sticking around in here - it's a self-contained thread and it's not annoying anybody...?

Quite right, we don't necessarily need to use Flash - but it seemed to be the most platform friendly, highest quality option. If it's done as a digital video file, the filesize will go through the roof, or else the quality will go through the floor. I really don't know - I still think Flash would give us the best shot at this. Anybody care to disagree?

FrysGIRL is quite right that this needs a little organisation! In fact, it needs A LOT! Could people please let us all know what they're willing to contribute, then we can get a proper team together? :-)

Thanks!

Danny
Sarge

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« Reply #69 on: 01-09-2002 17:50 »

 
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Originally posted by payndz:
including ANSTATMAW...

ANSTAMATTAWITHYOU??  laff
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #70 on: 01-09-2002 18:04 »

These ideas do not have to be the mane basis for the episode but could be included or adapted
Possible story ideas:

Bender auditions for a part on "All my Circuits".

The crew venture into the Sub Sewer in search for an important sebtimental item which Fry dropped down the drain during the 20th Century.

*I'll edit when I think of some better ones*

meisterPOOP

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« Reply #71 on: 01-09-2002 18:09 »

Yeah,  But Could BENDER ever be the UGLY Bartender???
Just Chris

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« Reply #72 on: 01-09-2002 19:07 »

Flash would be very good to do, even if the animation of the characters were to be realistic. That'll make TONS of keyframes, but it'll still make a considerably small filesize. And don't forget, you can import bitmaps and other such images so as to make some scenes look more high-quality.

Voice-overs are indeed the trickiest. Who is best at doing them? We would have to get people do a 'virtual' audition by submitting sound files of their best voices. Evergreen Terrace already has a section devoted to people that can mimic Simpsons voices. Ripping the audio from a DVD is a no-no, because the words will seem to skip and sound choppy when re-pasted in different orders and that'll sound too strange.

The animation work should be split up among people. One person does one scene, etc. 3D rendering effects come by the way of Swift 3D, and it's easy to get that free with Morpheus. I got a model of the PE ship we can use. I may post it later on.
I LOVE LEELA

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« Reply #73 on: 01-10-2002 00:47 »

Hi people!

First up, could somebody kindly decode Sarge's message:

>> ANSTAMATTAWITHYOU??

Cheers!

Second up, I have been doing a little research with regard to a certain Leela Lover Matt, AKA Matthew Lenahan - the chap with whom I'm constantly confused. With no offence to Mr Lenahan, I think it would be better for me to become somebody else! So in a few days, I will reappear as DANNY4LEELA - I know it's dumb, but at least I won't get confused with Mr Lenahan. I have received some fairly hostile reactions on #futuramachat and I gather it has something to do with a notorious fanfic called Loving Leela, by Mr Lenahan? What is all this about?

Third, thankyou everybody for posting!

I like the sewer-storyline idea - it may even provide an opening for me to voice a character! (I seem to remember one of the mutants sporting an English accent. Are you Yanks trying to tell us something? ;-)

Re animation, yes, I do think flash will be best. I don't think anybody is expecting excellent animation - just the minimum necessary to look good. In any case, we'll get better as we go along. (A polite way of saying the first episode will probably be crap!)

RE voices, since Futurama and The Simpsons are closely related, do you think it would be worthwhile asking at Evergreen Terrace if anybody can do voices for us?

Virtual auditions were exactly my thoughts - I'll take the recordings by email, and post them somewhere so we can all listen, then we can have a vote on it?

Am I correct in assuming that we can import existing Bitmaps into Flash and animate with these? I'd gathered that we could get permission to use some of Paul's or somebody elses, fanart, import it, concert it to Vector graphics, and animate it. Surely we don't have to DRAW each scene in the traditional sense?

This message failed to make it to the board, so this is a re-write based on what I can remember. Hopefully I've not missed anything! :-)

On other matters, I've got a stinking exam tomorrow, so please, please, please, wish me luck! :-)

Cheerio all,

Danny
The SANE Leela Lover!
payndz

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« Reply #74 on: 01-10-2002 10:30 »
« Last Edit on: 01-10-2002 10:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Sarge:
 ANSTAMATTAWITHYOU??    laff

You ever animate Amy, Sarge? If you do, I'm even more envious than I am already!    big grin
I LOVE LEELA

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« Reply #75 on: 01-11-2002 00:21 »

Uh-oh, where is everybody?

Danny
Sarge

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« Reply #76 on: 01-11-2002 01:43 »
« Last Edit on: 01-11-2002 01:43 »

Atssamatterwith you?!
Doesn't anybody know NYC Italian when they read it around here?!   laff

I don't 'animate', I do key animation drawings, which means that I do the fun extreme poses, while those in Korea do the tedious in-between drawings.
I haven't had to draw much of Amy this season. Just a few. But Amy is a challenge to draw, especially her hair.   smile

Oh, best of luck with that exam!
morris!

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« Reply #77 on: 01-11-2002 09:09 »

I can do plenty of voices (south park, simpsons, warner bros etc.)but I'm still trying to get all the characters from futurama mastered. right now the only voice from futurama I can do well is zoidberg, but I'm pretty close to getting bender's voice down too.
so if you need some voices for this, I'll be happy to help.  big grin
(heh, whopper of a first post, don't you think?)
Sarge

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« Reply #78 on: 01-11-2002 13:35 »

Speaking of whopper, is your avatar what I think it is?
I LOVE LEELA

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« Reply #79 on: 01-11-2002 18:41 »

Hi people,

Sorry Sarge - I have enough trouble understanding English English, without US/Italian slang... I should start watching The Sopranos. You talkin' to me?! Fuggederbartit! (Woah, that was crap!)

Morris, thankyou! We'll just have to make this a very Zoidberg oriented episode! :-) Please tell me you have a (working) microphone! If you're having trouble mimicking Leela, reckless administration of a big pair of garden shears might just be the key! :-)

By the way, my exam went quite well! Just as well, really, because if I fail, *I'LL* be able to do the Leela voice! ;-) Ouch!

Back shortly...
Cheerio
Danny
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