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morris!

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« Reply #120 on: 01-29-2002 22:36 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2002 22:36 »

sorry, I haven't been able to get a chance to do them yet but I'll do them now hopefully, if my family's quiet for a few minutes. lol

[edit] TOTP dance [/edit]
TheReal-Fry

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« Reply #121 on: 01-30-2002 01:44 »

Nice nice...
So, is there anything i can do?
TheVoices

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« Reply #122 on: 01-30-2002 01:52 »

Me me, i can draw too  roll eyes

danny-dude

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« Reply #123 on: 02-01-2002 21:42 »

Hi people,

I don't have anything to say but I like to keep the thread up top! :-)

Cheerio for now
Danny
Chump

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« Reply #124 on: 02-01-2002 22:25 »
« Last Edit on: 02-01-2002 22:25 »

Thats pointless posting.
And now I have to make this post worth something, so I don't look like a jackass... ok... if you want to see the worst flash animation in the world click... http://www.geocities.com/aliens_unlimited/zz-parable.html
I warned you. I did it in 10 minutes on Swish.

It also takes forever to load.
Swish is a program that you can download from swishzone.com it does flash and its rather simple. technically you have to pay for it, but there are "ways" around that.
Zed 85

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« Reply #125 on: 02-02-2002 03:31 »

I could have a go with backgrounds/concepts if you want, but they won't be brilliant and I would have very little time to do it.
danny-dude

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« Reply #126 on: 02-07-2002 02:42 »

Hi guys, back again at last. Been asleep for the last week. :-)

Chump -- yes, pointless posting, but don't forget who's thread this is! :-) In all seriousness, though, if somebody doesn't post SOMETHING frequently, the thread will fall off the bottom of page one, and nobody will see it. :-(

BTW, your animation wouldn't load. :-( But I'll keep trying it.

Zed, thanks for your kind offer! It seems all we're missing now is a willing animator... If nobody comes forward with a serious offer, it looks like the concept will die. :-(

PLEASE, SOMEBODY! :-)

Danny

morris!

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« Reply #127 on: 02-08-2002 01:00 »

dude, sorry I didn't send you those samples, my mic died. frown
Torquemada

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« Reply #128 on: 02-09-2002 13:12 »

Anyone considered using a 3D package like lightwave? You keep the 3D aspect of the show and use a cell shader to render into faux 2D. There are lipsynch plugins and allsorts of usefull things.
Torquemada

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« Reply #129 on: 02-09-2002 14:11 »

Me again. Just done a little web research. Cant find any freely available 3D models for cast but there are the odd induviduals on other forums (sorry, i spread it about a bit) who knock up the odd models. maybe if you get some of them together then something will come of this.
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« Reply #130 on: 02-09-2002 15:58 »
« Last Edit on: 02-09-2002 15:58 »

3D animation for cartoons look rather sterile and wrong most of the time as it doesnt use the tricks the artists use like changing proportions with the view. Scott Vanzo from roughdraft wrote a bit here about that:
 
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The character's features are often drawn slightly out of proportion or off-perspective as a result.

Bender is a good example. His visor is clearly visible in hand-drawn rear 3/4 poses even though his visor is all but occluded by his head in our 3D model. We would have to severely lengthen or warp his visor during a 3D animation in order for it to appear identical to the 2D model. Also, front 3/4 drawings emphasize the frontal features by "pulling" the front of the character more towards the viewer. All of this pushing, pulling and warping that is merely an intuitive impulse/response to the 2D animator would be a logistical nightmare to the 3D animator.


To get animation to look good and exciting it probably takes more effort than drawing them.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #131 on: 02-12-2002 14:50 »

Looks like this will be the only way to get new Futurama now unfortunately.
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #132 on: 02-12-2002 15:04 »

...movies.......
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #133 on: 02-12-2002 15:40 »

It would be good for a movie but it will be hard to make a movie if the TV series didn't get a proper end to work from.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #134 on: 02-12-2002 16:59 »

Series of movies?
Sarge

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« Reply #135 on: 02-12-2002 17:14 »

There's till a season 5. It just consists of most of season 4.
Just Chris

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« Reply #136 on: 02-13-2002 00:15 »

No need for expensive 3D packages to do it cartoon style. Swift 3D by Electric Rain is a stand-alone program that is a 3D modeler. What makes it so special is that it's a vector renderer, not a scanline render, so it allows output for Flash.

Pros: It can do shadows and outlines pretty well, and many animation options.

Cons: Since 3D movement can't be tweened in Flash, every single frame gets exported as a keyframe, which can cause the file size to expand. So use 3D sequences sparingly.
danny-dude

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« Reply #137 on: 02-22-2002 20:11 »

Hi all,

I thought I'd better post something to keep the thread alive, and assure everybody I haven't forgotton about it!

This new animation system sounds interesting! I don't think there would be many (any?) 3d sequences anyway (or at least for the first episode... Unless the CGI team formerly involved want something to pass the time until the next batch of episodes are ordered by fox?

Thanks, The Voices, for your selection of EXCELLENT pictures -- you have a great talent! Your genius would be most welcome, of course, as chief animator, but as you so rightly point out, more than one will be needed. Any volunteers?

Come on, let's get this moving! :-)

Danny

Gilgamesh

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« Reply #138 on: 02-23-2002 01:45 »

you never know, Fox might buy it
JoJo

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« Reply #139 on: 02-23-2002 13:58 »

That is one good hell of an idea.
really, if that would happen i would be so happy, in fact, the thought alone makes me kind of happy.
  cool   cool   cool   cool   cool

You were right Fry.
From now on Iím going to bend what I want, when I want, who I want!
Iím unstoppable!
McGrady

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« Reply #140 on: 02-23-2002 15:08 »

If I were you guys, I would go with subtitles over actual people talking.  I don't know if I would like regular people imitating the actors, even if they were spot on accurate, and you wouldn't have to worry much about lip synching.  And maybe even go along the lines of colored animatics, as making 30 fps would suck, and it would probably collapse after about 5 seconds.  (Think of 30 * 60 * 21.50 = 39,000 frames).  With an animatic, you might only have to do one a second (60* 21.5 = 1300, which is feasible).

Depends of course if you are going off drawn frames or flash type animations... but don't go overboard or everyone will give up and it will never get done.
Moonside

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« Reply #141 on: 02-23-2002 15:15 »

If you poke me enough, you can probably make me help with some writing. I'm just way too lazy to volunteer if you're not definitely going to go through with this thing.
Just Chris

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« Reply #142 on: 02-23-2002 15:31 »

It will be done in Flash, and I don't think we're ready to do a full-blown 21 and a half minutes of animation. It will top at about 5 or 6. But it is a good idea to cut down on the voices. Remember, sound takes up a lot of bandwidth. Voices will only be used for common sayings like "Good news everyone!" The cartoon will be animated probably at 24fps (which will run well on most computers) and animation in Flash can be tweened to reduce production time and file size.
danny-dude

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« Reply #143 on: 03-05-2002 06:06 »

Woah, woah, woah, I'm still here!

Don't you go doing anything else, changing anything, or introducing new ideas without me! [Glares at Just Chris]

My idea, my thread, my accolades!

Rant over!

Nobody's under the delusions of 20 minute, 30fps traditional animation, unless we get 500 people who'll work for nothing for three years per episode...? ;-) Maybe Rough Draft's unemployed staff will work gratis, or am I drunk? ;-)

Anyway - I'm still here, and I ain't going anywhere. I'm a little busy with OAOB at the moment but I'm still around.

Let's get started on something - we've been talking about it for three months and there's nothing organised and nothing underway...! :-)

Danny

Gilgamesh

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« Reply #144 on: 03-05-2002 18:16 »

The only way I could see it working is in short sequences, 5 minutes max. The easiest way to animate the characters is to cut existing JPG's into individual arms, legs, bodies and use Flash to animate them but it ends up looking a bit like South Park.
danny-dude

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« Reply #145 on: 03-06-2002 03:35 »

One word: Tweening!
KENNEDY

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« Reply #146 on: 03-06-2002 15:49 »

don't cut down on the voices!!i'll be out of a job!!
meisterPOOP

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« Reply #147 on: 03-06-2002 15:53 »

I'd love to see a Zapp Brannigan Short Animation released every once in a while...I like to refer to him as "Mr. Meanwhile."
danny-dude

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« Reply #148 on: 03-07-2002 13:38 »

Hey all,

It just occurred to me that people joining this thread after February may be a little confused by me running around like I own the place, even though the thread was started by I LOVE LEELA.

To clarify for the newbies: I am I LOVE LEELA - I changed my nick late in January to avoid being confused with Matt Lenehan.

Thankee all  smile

Danny

iliketowankalot

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« Reply #149 on: 03-11-2002 19:36 »

I remember hearing wierd stories about that Matt Lenehan and his obsession with Leela, I heard he makes his own inflatable Leela's, is there any truth to these stories?
If so do you know if he is selling them?
danny-dude

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« Reply #150 on: 03-12-2002 11:18 »

Read "Loving Leela" and I'm sure you'll realise that you didn't need to ask that question.  smile

If they are for sale, I'd be interested... Oof!...

[Juliet kicks me]

...In... uh... Something.

Danny
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #151 on: 03-12-2002 13:22 »

When is this gonna happen? At the rate it is going Futurama will be long gone before this happens. Everyone who is still genuinely intersted post below.
cellery

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« Reply #152 on: 03-12-2002 13:24 »

I've done animations in the past, both by hand and with clay models. It's really time consuming unless you use a shortcut like Flash. I'm working on an animated sig now, it's 4 days in the making and I probably have another week on it left to go. This is only 18 frames, too!   red face

That said, I'd be up for it still, it would just be tough to coordinate with everyone all over the place.
danny-dude

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« Reply #153 on: 03-15-2002 20:49 »

True, true...

I'm beginning to wonder if this will ever happen...

Bah!

Danny
FryBender3000

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« Reply #154 on: 04-14-2002 10:58 »

so is this over?!
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #155 on: 04-14-2002 12:39 »

Probably, I'm still willing to lend a hand if I knew what we're actually doing.
hiro

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« Reply #156 on: 04-14-2002 15:09 »

i think what we need is some sort of animation prog. i think we can call it FAST (Futurama Animation Studio). i will write it, because i think is a nice project. so if anyone has some ideas or talents for the programm functions/stories/animations and so on, send me a mail. i think doing is much better than talking.
Mitsui

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« Reply #157 on: 04-14-2002 15:15 »

Welcome to PEEL hiro!!

Do you actually mean you can write a programme??
hiro

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« Reply #158 on: 04-14-2002 15:27 »

yes its my job
cellery

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« Reply #159 on: 04-14-2002 15:34 »

RDS uses Softimage Toonz and Maya as their software tools, programs that are really expensive. My copy of Maya was over $1,000, and SiT goes for about $1500. If you want the show to look like it does on TV, it'll take a lot of work by teams of people. I animated a short in one of my classes and it took all semester for a little crummy 30 second clip.

Sorry if this is a downer, we all want to see new Futurama. However, we need writers, voice actors, background artists, layout artists, inbetweeners, digital paint people, 3D animators, storyboard artists, sound effects people, someone to score the episode, editors galore, and many more. It takes a huge team of professionals many months to go from a script to an animatic to actual animation production to a finished episode, so a group of fans from all over the world probably won't get it done. On the other hand, a Flash animation would be significantly easier to put together, just not an episode like we see on TV. My $.02.
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