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kwyjibear

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« on: 08-23-2005 18:25 »

While reading the reviews on Amazon of the new Futurama Robot Monster dvd, I was surprised to see everyone say that they didn't enjoy the episode "The Sting".
Am I the only one who lists that episode in his top 3 ?!  confused

If cop a feel I must, then cop a feel I shall!
Dan1248

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« Reply #1 on: 08-23-2005 18:27 »

Well I don't. The worst stories ever created are when it turns out to be a dream.

I know The Sting wasn't ALL a dream, but hopefully you catch my drift.
TwistedMetalKat

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« Reply #2 on: 08-23-2005 18:34 »

So if your favorite episode turned out to be only a dream, it would've sucked?
Dan1248

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« Reply #3 on: 08-23-2005 18:39 »

 
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Originally posted by TwistedMetalKat:
So if your favorite episode turned out to be only a dream, it would've sucked?

But then it wouldn't be my favourite episode,would it, bub.


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« Reply #4 on: 08-23-2005 18:39 »

It's my favorite episode.  Just the sheer emotional factor of it...and Leela's writing and Ms. Segal's vocal performance were spot on.

Regarding the It Was All a Dream argument; well, traditionally that device is used as a simple cop-out.  However, I think it was quite well-played here, thanks to all the red herrings the episode throws you - I especially liked the Royal Jelly fakeout - and besides, you can't hate a well-written story just because it happens to use one or two somewhat cliché devices *coughLaylacough*.
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« Reply #5 on: 08-23-2005 18:47 »

It's definately my favorite ep. Otherwise i wouldn't have spent 2 years writing a fic based from it. Like NOR said, the writing and Katey's vocal performance was kick ass. And there's nothing i like better than emotional episodes.
Dan1248

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« Reply #6 on: 08-23-2005 18:57 »

Your points have been well seen. The Sting is actually pretty good.

The worst stories ever created are when it turns out to be a dream.
With an exception of The Sting.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #7 on: 08-23-2005 18:59 »
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Originally posted by Nerd-O-Rama: It's my favorite episode. Just the sheer emotional factor of it...and Leela's writing and Ms. Segal's vocal performance were spot on.
Regarding the It Was All a Dream argument; well, traditionally that device is used as a simple cop-out. However, I think it was quite well-played here, thanks to all the red herrings the episode throws you - I especially liked the Royal Jelly fakeout - and besides, you can't hate a well-written story just because it happens to use one or two somewhat cliché devices
Totally agree with that one. If it was a show that contantly did dream sequences, it'd definitely suck, hades yeah! But, alas, like N-O-R stated, brilliantly emotional... Fry's so sweet   smile
TwistedMetalKat

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« Reply #8 on: 08-23-2005 19:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Dan1248:
 But then it wouldn't be my favourite episode,would it, bub.

There is a difference between a storyline and an ending. How the heck could you deny a really good storyline even if the ending isn't what you wanted?

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« Reply #9 on: 08-23-2005 19:04 »

Yeah? (not trying to gang up or anything mind you...) Very good story line. If I'd have done it, it'd stink, though people claim I've got an"elaborate mind" when it comes down to writing stories for TAKS tests (end of the year test like in any state, just Texas Assessment of Knowledge & Skills *laughs at the skills part*)
Dan1248

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« Reply #10 on: 08-23-2005 19:05 »

There is a difference between a storyline and an ending. How the heck could you deny a really good storyline even if the ending isn't what you wanted?

The short answer is, I couldn't...

GreyThinkyWhale

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« Reply #11 on: 08-23-2005 19:09 »

 
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Originally posted by kwyjibear:
Am I the only one who lists that episode in his top 3 ?!   confused

You either love it or you hate it, depending on what you're into.
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« Reply #12 on: 08-23-2005 19:30 »

 It is my favorite episode, and so true.

 Those dreams... I lost the person I loved most when I was 19 and she was 22.  I had those dreams for years, where you dream over and over they are not really dead, and then you wake up alone.............

 And the point in the end was not "it was just a dream" it was Fry being there and sitting by Leela, keeping her mind together, and helping her out of her coma. She woudn't have made it without him.  I think it really got Leela to see how much Fry loved her.

 And I liked the final lines. 

 Fry:Who knows if any of it got through?

 Leela: It got through Fry, it got through

 "They embrace"

 Leela: you could really use a shower.

 Fry: You too
Zmithy

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« Reply #13 on: 08-23-2005 19:52 »

It's quite simple really.

The people reviewing the monster fun dvd will have most likely only watched those 4 episodes.

Yes, The Sting rocks.. but to enjoy it, I think you need to have watched a fair amount of the series first (particularly the shippy eps) to actually care about Fry dying and Leela's reactions. Oh, and not getting a freaking spoiler hepls.

I like the shippy, but The Sting is far from my favourite (Parasites Lost). I can't quite remember why at the momement. I'm too drunk and tired.
Invader_Tak

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« Reply #14 on: 08-23-2005 19:56 »

 Sorry, its been out for years, I didn;t think spoilers were an issue.
Zmithy

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« Reply #15 on: 08-23-2005 20:02 »

No, I guess they're not an issue anymore. Don't mind me  smile . I was just mentioning that it's probably the most spoilable epsode of them all. I hit a few spoilers before watching it, biut thankfully nothing that killed the ending.
TwistedMetalKat

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« Reply #16 on: 08-23-2005 20:06 »

LOL... I saw the ending before I had even seen all the episodes. I didn't even know it was the ending until like months later.
SuperKing24

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« Reply #17 on: 08-23-2005 20:08 »

 
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Originally posted by kwyjibear:
While reading the reviews on Amazon of the new Futurama Robot Monster dvd, I was surprised to see everyone say that they didn't enjoy the episode "The Sting".
Am I the only one who lists that episode in his top 3 ?!   confused

i personally love the episode, its smart to me. I love how at Fry's funeral (leela imagines it) but they vring back a bunch of chareators, and all the characters Fry did it with. I love the episode.

Eyedol7513

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« Reply #18 on: 08-23-2005 20:22 »

Didn't "Obsoletely Fabulous" (another dream episode), immediately follow "The Sting"? (I should know, but right now, I'm too lazy to check.)
SuperKing24

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« Reply #19 on: 08-23-2005 20:24 »

no, it was "The Sting" and then "Bend Her" and then "Obsoletely Fabulous" so almost follwing it.
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #20 on: 08-23-2005 20:28 »

Oh. Thanks SuperKing24. But what were the order of the episodes in the broadcast season? (And how many were inbetween "The Sting" and "Obsoletely Fabulous"?)
SuperKing24

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« Reply #21 on: 08-23-2005 20:31 »

one, it was Bend Her, I just checked my Volume 4, what do you mean?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #22 on: 08-23-2005 21:02 »

"It was all a dream" usually feels like a cop-out because it's done lazily.  In some cases they'll even do it at the last minute if they've written themselves into a corner (for instance, on the show "Dallas", they killed off a character but the show started to dip in ratings after they killed him off, so they had one character wake up and find that character still alive in the shower, with the whole previous season being a dream).

It's not really a problem with "The Sting" because it actually makes sense; Fry's dialogue was often him trying to wake Leela up.  It's also really emotionally well done, including the ending itself.  Not my absolute favorite episode, but it's up there, and ironically I actually like it a lot more now then when I first watched it.

On the other hand, I didn't care for the ending of "Obsolutely Fabulous", because it came too soon after, plus the storyline in general wasn't all that riveting.  Still a decent episode though. 
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« Reply #23 on: 08-23-2005 21:49 »

 
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Originally posted by kwyjibear:
While reading the reviews on Amazon of the new Futurama Robot Monster dvd, I was surprised to see everyone say that they didn't enjoy the episode "The Sting".
Am I the only one who lists that episode in his top 3 ?!   confused


The Sting is different from most Futurama eps.  There is very little comedy in this ep and a lot of raw emotion.  This makes the particular ep a either 'love it' or 'hate it' type for the hardcore fans.  Personally, I love it.  'X-Mas Story', 'The Sting' and 'Roswell That Ends Well' are my top 3 favs.  The only other ep that reaches the emotional intensity of 'The Sting' is 'Leela's Homeworld' - both amazingly run for the last season.

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« Reply #24 on: 08-23-2005 22:01 »

On Broadcast, aka "Fox's Stupid Lineup", it was The Sting at S05E09 and Obsolutely Fabulous was not until S05E14. Parabox, 300, Spanish, and  Bend Her were in between.

This was my top episodes from a few months ago...
My Top 1011 Episodes
11. Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles
10. Bendin' in the Wind
9. Where No Fan Has Gone Before
8. Luck of the Fryish
7. Godfellas
6. Anthology of Interest II
5. Hell is Other Robots
4. Roswell That Ends Well
3. The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings
2. Jurassic Bark
1. The Sting


Right now, the order is...
11. Anthology of Interst I
10. Time Keeps on Slippin'
9. The Luck of the Fryish
8. Anthology of Interest II
7. Bendin' in the Wind
6. Jurassic Bark
5. Hell is Other Robots
4. Roswell That Ends Well
3. Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles
2. The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings
1. The Sting


So, The Sting is still on top for me, so I'd disagree with the Amazon.com'ers. On IMDB and other sites, they're almost all FG fanboys/girls and Futurama haters, so I wouldn't take this too seriously.
futurefreak

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« Reply #25 on: 08-23-2005 22:23 »

"bendin' in the wind" is number 7??? that story went a bunch of nowhere! just a play on one of bender's character aspirations
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« Reply #26 on: 08-23-2005 23:27 »

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