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xplosiveamensia

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« on: 05-02-2005 00:15 »

(Hello!  This is my first post here.  Yay for once I can be an annoying newbie   laff !)

Hello!  I've been lurking here for awhile but this bugged me so much I finally had to register to get others takes on it.

Tonight Family Guy was resurrected and in the first minute Peter started naming off all the non reality shows FOX had cancelled since they cancelled Family Guy.  I was expecting to hear Futurama but I didnt!  I even double checked online and nope he didnt say Futurama!

Yes now there's a crazy newbie psycho fanatic conspiracy theory brewing in my mind.  What do you guys think about this?
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #1 on: 05-02-2005 00:18 »

Welcome to PEEL dude. I hope you enjoy your stay!  smile

On your idea, I watched the episode as well, and I came to the conclusion that he was naming off crappy shows that FOX created that only lasted 1 season or so. Futurama then, would not apply to that catagory.
Venus

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« Reply #2 on: 05-02-2005 00:22 »

not all of the shows listed were crappy. I liked Wonderfalls, Girls Club, and Greg the Bunny.
xplosiveamensia

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« Reply #3 on: 05-02-2005 00:23 »

Thanks  smile!

The list was (according to tvtome.com):
Dark Angel
Titus
Undeclared
Action
That 80's Show
Wonderfalls
Fastlane
Andy Richter Controls The Universe
Skin
Girls Club
Cracking Up
The Pits
Firefly
Get Real
Freaky Links
Wanda At Large
Costello
The Lone Gunman
A Minute With Stan Hooper
Normal Ohio
Pasadena
Harsh Realm
Keen Eddy
The Street
American Embassy
Cedric The Entertainer
The Tick
Louis
and Greg The Bunny.
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Im almost certain a few of those lasted more then one season (not fully but almost  tongue) and as said not all were crappy...though some were LOL!
Futurama Nerd

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« Reply #4 on: 05-02-2005 00:25 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2005 00:25 »

Welcome to PEEL xplosiveamensia      smile Yay! Another girl      big grin

I agree with Nasty on the whole "only lasted 1 season" thing evidence has changed  tongue, and I also agree with Venus, Wonderfalls was pretty good.

edit: Yay, Dark Angel did last longer then 1 season. Hmm...


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Venus

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« Reply #5 on: 05-02-2005 00:27 »

'only lasted one season' is officially out as a theory cause Dark Angel lasted 2 seasons. Maybe three, but definately two. Loved the first season, hated the second.
xplosiveamensia

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« Reply #6 on: 05-02-2005 00:29 »

Didnt (Im going by memory here) Dark Angel, Titus, and Andy Richter all at least last 2 seasons?  I swear Andy and Titus did for sure but eh Im to lazy to go research  tongue!
JBERGES

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« Reply #7 on: 05-02-2005 00:29 »

Titus was great too.  It lasted three seasons.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #8 on: 05-02-2005 05:17 »

A couple things....for one, Futurama came out at the same time as Family Guy, so its not really a show thats premiered since Family Guy and got canned.  For another, Futurama lasted five seasons, which is hardly bad by tv standards, and not small enough to be put on a list of shows that completely failed after a season or two (they also didn't list some shows like Boston Public that have been cancelled but had decent runs).

Titus might be the real odd-man out, since its run was comparable to Family Guy.
JDB

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« Reply #9 on: 05-02-2005 05:22 »

I don't have anything to say here since I haven't seen the Episode but Welcome To PEEL, Xplosivemensia!
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #10 on: 05-02-2005 18:02 »

I asked myself the same thing. The only thing that came to mind was: a) The writers are idiots and forgot.; or b) Might be a hint-hint from inside Fox that Futurama might be back.

Some of those shows didn't stink nor were short run. Titus and Andy Richter were pretty good. I saw the list as shows that have canceled since Family Guy either started or was canceled the first and second time.
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« Reply #11 on: 05-02-2005 18:13 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2005 18:13 »

 
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Originally posted by i_c_weiner:


 Titus and Andy Richter were pretty good.

Thank God someone else said this. I was about to go on a bender about how Andy Richter was good.

No pun intended  no no
killbot4000

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« Reply #12 on: 05-02-2005 18:17 »

 
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Originally posted by xplosiveamensia:
(Hello!  This is my first post here.  Yay for once I can be an annoying newbie    laff !)

Hello!  I've been lurking here for awhile but this bugged me so much I finally had to register to get others takes on it.

Tonight Family Guy was resurrected and in the first minute Peter started naming off all the non reality shows FOX had cancelled since they cancelled Family Guy.  I was expecting to hear Futurama but I didnt!  I even double checked online and nope he didnt say Futurama!

Yes now there's a crazy newbie psycho fanatic conspiracy theory brewing in my mind.  What do you guys think about this?

I said in the other topic.

 
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Originally posted by killbot4000:
I thought i was right but everyone thought that peter said canceled shows but he actual said were canceled because we got to make room for great shows like.

PS I just checked
airbagfailure

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« Reply #13 on: 05-02-2005 18:30 »

I agree with Venus.. Greg the bunny was an awesome show... specially the episode with Corey Feldman... yay..

damn the family guy people..
Futurama was a better and more intelligent cartoon than them anyway...
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #14 on: 05-02-2005 18:34 »

I could agree with that, airbagfailure!  What you said about Futurama being more intellegent then Family Guy.  FOX loves mindless humor.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #15 on: 05-02-2005 19:06 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2005 19:06 »

Peter finishes the list
Lois: What about Futurama?
Peter: [gives the "cut the camera" signal]
Theme Song

That's what should've happened.

Well, at least now nobody can deny that Futurama is the best canceled show right now.
killbot4000

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« Reply #16 on: 05-02-2005 19:44 »

Hello!Did anyone read my last post?
Wooter

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« Reply #17 on: 05-02-2005 20:54 »

No.
killbot4000

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« Reply #18 on: 05-02-2005 21:02 »

Why did everyone think he said canceled shows?
Wooter

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« Reply #19 on: 05-02-2005 21:09 »

Yes, but afterwards, he said something allong the lines of, "We might be able to come back, if all of these shows go away." Which they did. Because they were cancelled.
killbot4000

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« Reply #20 on: 05-02-2005 21:22 »

Damn didn't hear the part after the shows.Anyhoo sorry to go off topic but i searched but all the topics about it are closed and then they all link to one topic which is closed can someone give me a star wars topic about star was ep 3 which is not closed.
WTF why they all link to a closed thread.
Beamer

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« Reply #21 on: 05-02-2005 23:51 »
« Last Edit on: 05-02-2005 23:51 »

I often think of Family Guy and Futurama as being very close shows anyway. They both premiered at around about the same time, both were cancelled, then both enjoyed good Adult Swim ratings and DVD sales.

Of course, with Family Guy renewed, it's now a different story, but I think this is the reason Futurama was not included in this list - since had it been included, it could be regarded as making a joke like that at Futurama's expense... Ah, I don't know.

Still, I haven't seen the episode yet, but judging by reading the script to this scene, he only seems to be listing shows that have premiered SINCE Family Guy (although I may be wrong here due to my lack of knowledge about Fox shows)... Ehhh, nevermind. Screw this post, just re-read DoTheBartman's again.  roll eyes
Bender_Waffles

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« Reply #22 on: 05-02-2005 23:59 »

And I think that Mcfarlane and Groening have a deep respect for each other, especially after going through almost identical situations with Family Guy and Futurama. Putting Futurama on that list would have been a low-blow at the show helped in-part, regain Family Guy's popularity.
Leela In Chains

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« Reply #23 on: 05-03-2005 00:02 »
« Last Edit on: 05-03-2005 00:02 »

I knew something a thread like this would show up. I thought the absence of Futurama in the list of shows might have been a sign of respect, considering that it wasn't a crappy show...even by critical standards. In other words, there was nothing to crack about Futurama, so they didn't. Just an idea...
Eyedol7513

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« Reply #24 on: 05-03-2005 00:10 »

Bender_Waffles: Sorry for sounding naive, but how did Futurama partly help Family Guy regain popularity?
Beamer

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« Reply #25 on: 05-03-2005 00:16 »

I assume because they aired right after eachother on Adult Swim, and both shows helped eachother get ratings, I suppose.
Harry Sach

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« Reply #26 on: 05-03-2005 02:38 »

How many of the shows on that list won an emmy? None. You don't rag on an emmy award winning show, cancelled or not. Even if that cancelled show is 100 times better than yours, and definitley needs to be brought back before the piece of crap your creators made airs, in a timeslot that cries out for an alcoholic,whoremongering, chainsmoking robot. Seth McFarland would have ruffled too many feathers if Futurama would have mkade that list. I.E.: At fox, don't piss off the Simpsons people!
I believe Futurama was Matt Groening's baby, and everyone knows it. If Family Guy ripped on it, there would have been retribution on the Simpsons at some point.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #27 on: 05-03-2005 15:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:
Bender_Waffles: Sorry for sounding naive, but how did Futurama partly help Family Guy regain popularity?

It is because the two shows playing back to back draws in much more viewers then just one. I started watching Family Guy from watching Futurama, as did many of my friends.
GreyThinkyWhale

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« Reply #28 on: 05-03-2005 16:35 »

he only names pretty crappy shoes... (seeing as how I havn't heard of any - well all except one or two - of them).
boingo2000

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« Reply #29 on: 05-03-2005 16:59 »

Wait, wasn't The Lone Gunmen cancelled before Family Guy was?  As I remember it, it aired in 2001 and only lasted 6 episodes.  Family Guy wasn't cancelled until 2002.
Futurama Nerd

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« Reply #30 on: 05-03-2005 18:38 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
 It is because the two shows playing back to back draws in much more viewers then just one. I started watching Family Guy from watching Futurama, as did many of my friends.

Agreed. I also agree with your sis Nasty. I sometimes think that when Matt and Seth see eachother,  they just start talking about the good old days and how to show was cancelled and such. But now, when they see eacthother, Seth can rub in the fact it's back on air in Matt's face. But seriously, if they were friends and that sorta stuff, that would have just been low. Even if they weren't friends, they knew what eachother went through and respected it. Or there is also the idea that they forgot it... roll eyes
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« Reply #31 on: 05-03-2005 21:23 »

The joke was that Peter said they had to be cancelled for "Fox to make room for new shows such as..." and that they'd only have a chance of getting back on the air "if all those shows go down the tube". I was under the impression that the list was comprised of shows created after Family Guy was cancelled and cancelled before Family Guy came back. But, since I never watch Fox (or TV for that matter, really), I have no idea when any of those shows were created or if they even exist.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #32 on: 05-03-2005 23:10 »

 
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Originally posted by Bender_Waffles:
And I think that Mcfarlane and Groening have a deep respect for each other



Somehow I doubt it.

Futurama Nerd

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« Reply #33 on: 05-03-2005 23:38 »

^Ha! I saw that episode last night.
jacoby

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« Reply #34 on: 05-04-2005 00:15 »

Thats a good episode.

But why would Peter's apearence there be an argument against them respecting each other?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #35 on: 05-04-2005 00:22 »
« Last Edit on: 05-04-2005 00:22 »

 
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Originally posted by jacoby:
Thats a good episode.

But why would Peter's apearence there be an argument against them respecting each other?

Remember, the plot of that segment involved Homer creating dumbed-down clones of himself.

Thus, by inserting Peter in there, the implication is that Peter himself is merely a dumbed down clone of Homer Simpson (which is sort of true).  This is backed up by numberous quotes from Simpsons writers and producers.  Alot of them apparently hate FG and consider it a crass rip off.  In fact, writer Matt Selman once said this in an interview:

 
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(Interviewer):What did you think of Futurama?

It was really good and really well-written. Family Guy was this horrible bizzaro version of The Simpsons, and Fox put all their support behind it. Whereas Futurama was this really funny, inspired show and they flush it down the toilet. The worst thing you can say at The Simpsons about a joke is that it is Family Guy. It means the joke just pointed out the obvious, and we can do better than just the obvious.


Edit: Come to think of it, all of this may be partially why Futurama wasn't mentioned.  Mcfarlane has been accused of many, many people (not just Simpsons staffers) of blatantly ripping off Groening's non-futuristic show.  He's previously made a couple sort of swipes at The Simpsons in interviews (including one where he humorously didn't know he was already being recorded, and then when told his comments were on the record, backed off and started saying "oh, its one of the greatest shows ever....." ), but in a more recent one from a few months ago, claimed that he didn't want to bash The Simpsons on FG because it would "make us look like the biggest f*&#ing hypocrites in the world".  Futurama, although not The Simpsons exactly, comes from a creator that McFarlane has been accused of ripping off, and it may very well be that he didn't want to look even worse by essentially attacking Groening's show.

evan

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« Reply #36 on: 05-04-2005 00:42 »

I can't remember where, but Groening claimed no bad blood between the Simpsons staff and the FG staff. Of course, he could have been speaking only for himself and not for everyone on the staff. Personally, despite what some people think of the newer seasons, it's a death wish to come after The Simpsons. The show's been around too long and too much of a culutrual icon for some young animator to talk trash about.
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« Reply #37 on: 05-04-2005 02:43 »

I don't think The Simpsons staff have much respect for Family Guy at all - they're constantly making digs at it on the audio commentary, accusing Family Guy of stealing all their ideas (eg. claiming Stewie's voice is a rip-off of the voice of the prissy second grade acting kid from I Love Lisa, even if it was a non-serious comment).

Then again, The Simpsons staff accuse many others of stealing their ideas. Who was it who called Hank Hill "Homer with glasses?" Mike Reiss? I mean, come on, I can understand why the writers would be protective of their content, but calling Hank Hill a Homer Simpson rip-off? Homer's a fat, lazy, bumbling man who's easily distracted, has conversations with his own brain, has no shame and is incredibly stupid. Hank's a skinny Texan stick-in-the-mud who ALWAYS follows the rules, loves his job as a propane salesman, is fairly intelligent despite some of his stupid principles and is a strict father. Aside from their short tempers, I fail to see the resemblance there.

At the end of the day, while I can admit that The Simpsons paved the way for this formula and Family Guy DOES have some suspiciously similar ideas at times, the concept of the dysfunctional family and the fat, stupid father were both around LONG before The Simpsons did it... The two shows only get compared to eachother because they're both cartoons.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #38 on: 05-04-2005 03:12 »
« Last Edit on: 05-04-2005 03:12 »

 
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Originally posted by Beamer:
Then again, The Simpsons staff accuse many others of stealing their ideas. Who was it who called Hank Hill "Homer with glasses?" Mike Reiss? I mean, come on, I can understand why the writers would be protective of their content, but calling Hank Hill a Homer Simpson rip-off? Homer's a fat, lazy, bumbling man who's easily distracted, has conversations with his own brain, has no shame and is incredibly stupid. Hank's a skinny Texan stick-in-the-mud who ALWAYS follows the rules, loves his job as a propane salesman, is fairly intelligent despite some of his stupid principles and is a strict father. Aside from their short tempers, I fail to see the resemblance there.

You're right there.....thankfully Reiss is the only one who's ever made that ridiculous claim.  I know Groening and Jean both love King of the Hill.  Also, I should note that FG (see below) is really the only other show they've accused of stealing their ideas, other then "Dinosaurs" many years ago (hey, don't have a stegosaurus man!).

 
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At the end of the day, while I can admit that The Simpsons paved the way for this formula and Family Guy DOES have some suspiciously similar ideas at times, the concept of the dysfunctional family and the fat, stupid father were both around LONG before The Simpsons did it... The two shows only get compared to eachother because they're both cartoons.

In this case, though, I don't think its that simple....honestly, Peter is pretty reminiscent of Homer in a lot of ways, particularly basic characterization, and even the design to some degree.  There are a lot of fat fathers on tv, but Family Guy has often copied The Simpsons too directly....particularly in the "cutaway gags" (a Simpsons innovation) and in the basic characterization of Peter.  They haven't just ripped off Simpsons either; everything from "The Honeymooners" (by McFarlane's own admission) to obscure comic books have been plundered at some point (ever heard of "Jimmy Corrigan"?  Yeah....the design of that character is almost exactly the same as Stewie.....its really uncanny, and too close to be a coincidence.  Do a google search on it sometime).

Beamer

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« Reply #39 on: 05-04-2005 03:49 »
« Last Edit on: 05-04-2005 03:49 »

No, I've never heard of Jimmy Corrigan before, but after looking into it a bit on Google as you suggested, I'm definitely with you on that one. Waaay to close to be a coincidence indeed...

However, the point I was trying to make is that even though the show is full of unoriginal content (whether they be rip-offs, references or just plain unintentional - I wouldn't mind betting it's all 3), it does have enough merits to be classed as a good show on its own, and the Simpsons staff seem to look down on it too much, accusing it of stealing so many of their ideas, even if Family Guy has ripped off some aspects of their basic formula. I mean, what, do they really think the Family Guy writers sit around watching Simpsons episodes, looking for stuff to steal?

Yes, I don't doubt that Family Guy has stolen its share of content, especially after seeing Jimmy Corrigan, but the show was never meant to be fully original. Hell, over 50% of the jokes in it are parodies or references to TV shows & movies... As for the characters, I think that Family Guy can pull off total stupidity better than The Simpsons (although I love Homer Simpson, his IQ seems to fluxuate so much in the show - whereas Peter Griffin's is more constant, he's ALWAYS a moron, even if it's not suitable to the situation he's in - unlike Homer, who can be somewhat smart when the writers need him to be).

At the end of the day, Family Guy wasn't going for originality or innovation - it just wanted to be a really funny show, which it is (although episodes do NOT hold up well in repeat viewings, unlike The Simpsons and Futurama). Although Season 3 was full of character development, it's obvious that the original intentions of Family Guy were just simply to pull off a hilarious show, and this is why I don't think the unoriginal aspects of Family Guy matter so much... I know I'm being really defensive of the show here, even though I agree with you that some of its content is stolen, but I'm just saying - people make the show out to be NOTHING but ripped off content, and it DOES have many merits of its own that the Simpsons staff and Family Guy haters alike always overlook when bashing the show.
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