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Whoopwhoopwhoop

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« on: 12-13-2004 19:38 »

Did Groening use Futurama references while it was still in production while doing the simpsons?
Ranadok

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« Reply #1 on: 12-13-2004 19:46 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2004 19:46 »

There were two references before the pilot aired:

Futurama aired on March 28, 1999.

David "Watch Futurama" Cohen as a THOH credit in THOH IX (Oct 25, 1998)

Uter's Futurama T-shirt in Mayored to the Mob (Dec 20, 1998)

There were a few more while the show was in production, but I don't actually know when that was.. . all I have to go on are airdates.

Zeep

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« Reply #2 on: 12-13-2004 19:50 »

woah, cool! do you have screengrabs of either of these?
Ranadok

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« Reply #3 on: 12-13-2004 19:52 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2004 19:52 »

Yes, I do. Wait a moment, and I'll upload them to some whatzit and post them.
 
Edit: Here they be. Not too big, but big enough to get the idea.




Edit2: I also have screenshots of all the other Futurama references on the Simpsons, that I could find (and Simpsons on Futurama). I was bored one day.
zoidyzoid

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« Reply #4 on: 12-14-2004 04:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
I also have screenshots of all the other Futurama references on the Simpsons, that I could find (and Simpsons on Futurama). I was bored one day.

If you feel like posting them (or linking to them), I'd like to have a look...

David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #5 on: 12-14-2004 04:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
Uter's Futurama T-shirt in Mayored to the Mob (Dec 20, 1998)

I'm not sure that one counts.

Unless I'm mistaken, his shirt didn't have Futurama on it when that episode first aired.  That was added in after Futurama aired.
Ranadok

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« Reply #6 on: 12-14-2004 14:25 »
« Last Edit on: 04-18-2005 00:00 »

           
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Originally posted by David A:
 I'm not sure that one counts.

Unless I'm mistaken, his shirt didn't have Futurama on it when that episode first aired.  That was added in after Futurama aired.

That's interesting, I've never heard mention of that before (I didn't catch that episode first-run). The snpp capsule doesn't mention it either.

I'll get the pictures up in a bit.

edit: Here be the references.

Futurama on Simpsons

Treehouse of Horror IX (AABF01) -  Halloween credit: David "watch Futurama" Cohen
Halloween Credit

Mayored to the Mob (AABF05) -  Uter wears a Futurama t-shirt at the convention
Uter's T-shirt

Missionary: Impossible (BABF11) - Bender appears in the pledge drive at the end.
Bender at Pledge Drive

HOMR (BABF22) -  Fry appears in the couch gag.
Fry in Couch Gag

Bart vs. Lisa vs. 3rd Grade (DABF20) - Bender is in Bart's hallucination.
Bender at a Desk
Bender in the Circle

I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot (FABF04) - Bender's name is among the tapes of robot battles
Bender's Name on a Tape

My Big Fat Geek Wedding (FABF12) - Milhouse has a Bender doll and MG draws a picture of Fry at the convention
Milhouse's Bender Doll
Matt Groening's Fry Sketch

Catch 'Em If You Can (FABF14) - Futurama poster in background at video store
Futurama Poster

Fraudcast News (FABF18) - Squeaky voiced teen yells "Why did they cancel Futurama?" before jumping off the cliff
Jumper

Future-Drama (GABF12) - In addition to the name, this episode has John DiMaggio guest-voicing as Bender, appearing in a car with future Bart and Homer
Bender in the car
Bender after being thrown out


Simpsons on Futurama

Space Pilot 3000 (1ACV01) - Blinky the fish appears in the ocean while Fry is in the transport tube
Blinky

My Three Suns (1ACV07) - One of Bender's medals sports a simple drawing of Homer Simpson's head
Bender's medal

A Big Piece of Garbage (1ACV08) - Bender eats the shorts from a Bart Simpson doll and says "MMMMmmm, shorts" in a Homer-esque manner
Bart Doll Pile
Bender Eating Shorts

Hell Is Other Robots (1ACV09) - A heart carved in the abandoned amusement park contains the initials HS and MB (Homer Simpson and Marge Bouvier)
HS + MB (small, but you get the idea of where in the episode it is)

Mars University (1ACV11) - A Homer and a Bart doll are seen in the background during Fry's university flashback
Homer and Bart Dolls]

Mars University (1ACV11) - A pair of legs that look like they may belong to Bart Simpson are visible behind Fry in a classroom scene, but a later shot show them to belong to an unrelated character. This is most likely not a reference, but included for completeness.
Bart style legs...
But not belonging to him

Fry & the Slurm Factory (1ACV13) - The opening cartoon is taken from the Ullman-era Simpsons shorts.
Ullman-era Simpsons

Why Must I Be A Crustacean in Love? (2ACV05) - The opening slogan reads "From the network that brought you "The Simpsons""
Opening Slogan

The Luck of the Fryrish (3ACV04) - A Bart head is on a shelf in the background when Bender tries to open the Ronco vault
Head on a Shelf

Leela's Homeworld (4ACV02) - Part of the balloon is made out of an old  Bart Simpson balloon
Sewer Balloon


That's all I have, if anyone sees any mistakes or knows of any that I missed, let me know.

Edit: Added Future-Drama

DotheBartman

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #7 on: 12-14-2004 19:24 »

Wow!  I never even caught the one in "My Three Suns"!  Good eye.

In any case I think you got everything right. 
M0le

Space Pope
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« Reply #8 on: 12-14-2004 19:27 »

I think that's everything, Ranadok. Finally, somebody actually managed to compile a full list. I never caught the Homer Simpson medal, either.  big grin
jrock241

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« Reply #9 on: 12-14-2004 20:45 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2004 20:45 »

It's funny that the kid who jumps off the cliff and yells  "Why did they cancel Futurama?" is the FRY guy at Krusty Burger. Get it, Fry?

I would also like to say good job on the list.
Ranadok

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« Reply #10 on: 12-14-2004 22:28 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2004 22:28 »

I can't take credit for finding all of them, they are mostly gathered from the various threads that pop up every once in a while, I just put them all together and got screenshots of all the ones I could (I'm still wondering how I'm going to get a screenshot of the upcoming Simpsons "Future-Drama" episode title...). 
Bender2.0

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« Reply #11 on: 12-14-2004 23:32 »

I saw that HS+MB and was trying to figure out what it stood for, but never thought of the Simpsons. I never saw Homers head on Benders pin, and I watched that episode millions of times! Good job.
HellsLab
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« Reply #12 on: 12-14-2004 23:49 »

I'm surprise I haven't heard this line from 4F12 "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" episode of The Simpsons:

"So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots?"

I secretly believe it to me the inspiration for Futurama. But that is only one mans crazy theory.
Ranadok

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« Reply #13 on: 12-15-2004 02:01 »

There's also a line in The Front where one of the I&S writers says he is going to make a sitcom about a sassy robot. I don't think the Simpsons writer that character was based on (was it Al Jean? I can't remember) had a part in Futurama, though. 
David A

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« Reply #14 on: 12-15-2004 07:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
There's also a line in The Front where one of the I&S writers says he is going to make a sitcom about a sassy robot.

I always assumed that was a reference to Small Wonder.
Ranadok

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« Reply #15 on: 12-15-2004 13:46 »

Well, it was way before Futurama was in production, so I didn't think it was a reference to that, just an interesting side-note. I've never heard about Small Wonder, though.
T-Veronica

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« Reply #16 on: 12-15-2004 17:01 »
« Last Edit on: 12-15-2004 17:01 »

Small Wonder? WAY before my time. (It ended in the year I was born.) It's kinda hard to see what certain allusions are referring to when they're so general. There've been a lot of times where I'll say that something reminds me of Futurama, and it'll remind my mom of something different entirely. Just depends on the person I guess. But, anyway, I'm glad that list has been compiled. I was trying to remember what episode it was where Fry was in the couch gag. Thanks. ^_^

"This is how I deal with insignificant bugs," said the spider to the fly, "How do you wish to die?"
LoveForFry

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #17 on: 12-15-2004 17:05 »

I heard the sassy robot line in the episode, and I burst out laughing.
VoVat

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« Reply #18 on: 12-15-2004 17:22 »

 
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Originally posted by Ranadok:
Uter's Futurama T-shirt in Mayored to the Mob (Dec 20, 1998)
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I'm not sure that one counts.

Unless I'm mistaken, his shirt didn't have Futurama on it when that episode first aired. That was added in after Futurama aired.

I'm fairly sure it was there on the first run.  I guess if there's a lot of doubt, someone could always go back and search alt.tv.simpsons posts from around the time it aired.
T-Veronica

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« Reply #19 on: 12-15-2004 17:37 »

Do they often go back and change things on repeat airings? I never knew they did that. Have they ever done that on Futurama? If so, which version would they put on a DVD? So confusing...

"This is how I deal with insignificant bugs," said the spider to the fly, "How do you wish to die?"
jrock241

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« Reply #20 on: 12-15-2004 18:19 »

I remember when the Simpsons had 5 fingers for the NYC episode and now when it airs they only have 4 unless you watch really closely while they move their hands then I think there still are 5. So it may be common to change episodes after the 1st run. Also on the episode "Blood Fued" Bart used to say "we got screwed" now he says "we got hosed"

So if I remeber correctly he didn't have Futurama written on it 1st run but I'm probably wrong.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #21 on: 12-15-2004 19:27 »

 
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Originally posted by T-Veronica:
Do they often go back and change things on repeat airings? I never knew they did that. Have they ever done that on Futurama? If so, which version would they put on a DVD? So confusing...


Occasionally.  First off there's syndication edits (which don't effect Futurama, except for an example I'll name later).  Essentially they mostly just cut scenes to make room for commercials.  Occasionally this will also change the content a little.  There's also a couple rare cases of content being added, mainly in the "Marge Be Not Proud" episode where syndication adds Don Brodka telling Bart "If I wanted smoke blown up my ass I'd be at home with a pack of cigarettes and a short length of hose".  For the record, the Simpsons dvds always contain the original versions, with all the syndication cuts intact.

There's also occasionally (and I mean on very rare occasions) alternate versions, for various reasons.  "The Telltale Head" has two or three slightly different endings (the syndication and dvd versions represent two seperate versions in fact.  I prefer the dvd one).  Supposedly there was some extra footage on a "War of the Simpsons" network repeat that hasn't been seen since.  "Behind the Laughter" changed "Northern Kentucky" to "Southern Missouri" for one repeat as a way of confusing fans.  Just a couple examples.  There's also occasionally censorship edits.  On The Simpsons, Ms. Krabapple's mention of Tourrette's Syndrome was changed to "Rabies" (changed back in syndication though not dvd for some reason), Mr. Burns calling Smithers a "Chinaman" was changed to "You call yourself chinese?", etc.  For Futurama, there's a couple too.  "JFK Jr. Airport" was edited to "Radio City Mutant Hall" on the first episode for instance (including on Adult Swim and the dvds, though the animatic on the dvd contains the original line) as a reaction to the death of JFK Jr. shortly afterwards.  Adult Swim also changed both "Sweet Zombie Jesus" and "Holy Zombie Jesus", with "Jesus" now silenced on both.  The dvd versions of those are intact though.

David A

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« Reply #22 on: 12-15-2004 19:56 »

 
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Originally posted by VoVat:
 I'm fairly sure it was there on the first run.  I guess if there's a lot of doubt, someone could always go back and search alt.tv.simpsons posts from around the time it aired.

Eh, I could be wrong.  I thought we had a thread about this somewhere, but I couldn't find one.

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
"JFK Jr. Airport" was edited to "Radio City Mutant Hall" on the first episode for instance (including on Adult Swim and the dvds, though the animatic on the dvd contains the original line) as a reaction to the death of JFK Jr. shortly afterwards.

"Radio City Mutant Hall" is funnier anyway.
T-Veronica

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« Reply #23 on: 12-16-2004 13:40 »
« Last Edit on: 12-16-2004 13:40 »

Yeah, I remember hearing about that on the audio commentary. I think the altered version is funnier, too. But I'm mad at [as], they shouldn't cut out "Sweet Zombie Jesus," it's one of the funniest lines! *pouts*

"This is how I deal with insignificant bugs," said the spider to the fly, "How do you wish to die?"
boognish

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #24 on: 12-16-2004 14:45 »

I've heard the Zombie Jesus line unedited on Adult Swim plenty of times, so I don't know what you guys are talking about.
VoVat

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« Reply #25 on: 12-16-2004 21:15 »

The initial run of the Simpsons episode "Mom and Pop Art" cut out a reference to hostage ribbons, because there were American hostages being held in Kosovo at the time.  The scene was put back in on the second airing.
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