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Slackit02

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« Reply #40 on: 04-17-2005 22:22 »
« Last Edit on: 04-17-2005 22:22 »

I dont think we should be focusing on why things changed so fast, or why they were in an ep or all that confusing stuff.

All that should matter is that we got to see Bender voiced by JD, in a role that had more signifigance then him walking by in the background.

Cheers to Matt

TOFHCISBOSTD (top of the holy crap I saw bender on simpsons tonight dance)
Bender_Waffles

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« Reply #41 on: 04-17-2005 23:31 »

Whoa whoa whoa!

What happened?!
Harry Sach

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« Reply #42 on: 04-17-2005 23:33 »

Yes he was on, but don't forget Homer called him a loser a threw him out of the car where he broke into pieces.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #43 on: 04-17-2005 23:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Bender_Waffles:
Whoa whoa whoa!

What happened?!

Tonight's episode took play a few years into the future, with Bart and Lisa as teenagers.  There was a gag where Homer and Bart are driving through a futuristic tunnel, and Bender plops into the hovercar, puts his arms around Homer and Bart, and says "You guys are my new best friends", complete with John DiMaggio doing the voice.  Homer throws him out of the car and he falls apart.

So basially, it was only one of the greatest things ever.
Surfungus

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« Reply #44 on: 04-17-2005 23:37 »

It was truly magical.
Slackit02

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« Reply #45 on: 04-17-2005 23:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Harry Sach:
Yes he was on, but don't forget Homer called him a loser a threw him out of the car where he broke into pieces.

He called him a loser?  I dont remember hearing that, thought he just threw him out. 
KAH

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« Reply #46 on: 04-17-2005 23:49 »

He did call him a loser. I taped it and replayed it a few times. Who cares, though? Let's all get drunk!
Ranadok

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« Reply #47 on: 04-18-2005 00:02 »
« Last Edit on: 04-18-2005 00:02 »

Bender in the car
Bender after being thrown out

Yes, it was awesome.

Now I have to find the thread in which I have that big list to add this to it. Or start a new, all-encompassing one in Re-check.
Agent Rodriquez

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« Reply #48 on: 04-18-2005 00:04 »

It would have been better if he didn't break when he fell out and yelled "Bite my shiny metal ass" at them.  But thats just me.  Either way it brought me great joy seeing him again.
KAH

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« Reply #49 on: 04-18-2005 00:19 »

Aww, c'mon. Seeing him broken was cool though. The whole thing is kind of a, "Hey look, fans! There's some hope for your show. Nah, I'm just yankin' your chain. It's not comin' back, losers. " which is a little mean but a lot fun.
Venus

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« Reply #50 on: 04-18-2005 01:16 »

It's kinda dissapointing that they messed up when they were coloring him.
Beamer

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« Reply #51 on: 04-18-2005 02:04 »

Thanks for the piccies Ranadok.  smile

The city in the background looks awfully Futurama-esque too. Can't wait to see it!
JDB

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« Reply #52 on: 04-18-2005 03:46 »

That is so cool!! The second picture looks like a scene out of a new Futurama Episode because there are no simpsons in it!
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #53 on: 04-18-2005 12:59 »

Does anyone know when it's gonna air again?!
Neavers

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« Reply #54 on: 04-18-2005 14:41 »

I just wish they would cancel the simpsons and see how they like it!
Quimbly

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« Reply #55 on: 04-18-2005 15:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
God dammit!
I missed it!

Ahem....bit torrents... cough cough...
DotheBartman

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« Reply #56 on: 04-18-2005 15:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Neavers:
I just wish they would cancel the simpsons and see how they like it!

So what you're saying is that you want Matt Groening, J. Stewart Burns, Bill Odenkirk, and many others to have to go through another cancellation.  Uh, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Everyone on the current staff either loves Futurama or worked on it at some point.  Its not like they wanted Futurama cancelled ("Family Guy" on the other hand...).  Grow up.

And do people really think there was something symbolic about Bender falling apart?  Um, no, they were just having him fall apart like he did all the time on Futurama.

NIC2001

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« Reply #57 on: 04-18-2005 16:08 »
« Last Edit on: 04-18-2005 16:08 »

Did you guys saw the name of the tunnel they went thru.

It was quantium tunnel or something like that.
It's the same name that the bomb that Fry use to blow up the brains space station. In that show, the Quantium bomb sends the space station in another dimension. So when Homer and Bart went in the tunnel, they travel into another dimension and that how Bender got inside the car.

My best friend told me I was crazy when I told him that last night. Am I??? (He is tired of me always talking about Futurama)
DotheBartman

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« Reply #58 on: 04-18-2005 16:42 »
« Last Edit on: 04-18-2005 16:42 »

"Quantam" is just a scientific term used by both shows. (and lots of sci-fi, I think.  Wasn't there a show called "Quantam Leap" or something?)
Quimbly

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« Reply #59 on: 04-18-2005 16:54 »

Ahem.... "Quantum"... cough cough.
Procyon

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« Reply #60 on: 04-18-2005 16:55 »
« Last Edit on: 04-18-2005 16:55 »

 
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And do people really think there was something symbolic about Bender falling apart? Um, no, they were just having him fall apart like he did all the time on Futurama.

I was wondering about that too! Maybe because its just funnier that way. Afterall, in the show, Bender bent through an unbendable girder, fought in the Robot Fighting League, and his head alone survived a thousand years in a hole. He shouldn't break apart after a 4-5ft drop.

Edit: I think I misunderstood what you were saying. If so, forget this post.

DotheBartman

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« Reply #61 on: 04-18-2005 17:08 »

Yeah, its basically just a callback.  Its not symbolic, and its been confirmed as not being symbolic by someone close to the show.
T-Veronica

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« Reply #62 on: 04-18-2005 17:21 »

I...missed it. I wanted so much to see this episode, even if there were no Futurama references, but the only part I saw was where Bart's girlfriend turned down his proposal. I missed everything else because I had to go back to my mom's house. ('Cause it had been my dad's weekend.) To repeat Nasty's question: Does anyone know when it will re-air? Or will I have to wait, like, 300 weeks...*sigh*

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« Reply #63 on: 04-18-2005 18:54 »

I don't know of a re-air date yet. I searched Google and Ask on this one. It'll probally re-air during summer.

On the other part, they messed up Bender falling apart. There's a wire coming out of his neck that shouldn't be there.
KAH

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« Reply #64 on: 04-18-2005 21:09 »

Um I wasn't implying that they had Bender fall apart for symbolic reasons. It's just one way to look at it, even if they didn't mean it that way.
Mystery_Meat

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« Reply #65 on: 04-18-2005 22:14 »

It was a cute reference, but nothing really more. It was funny because I was thinking "jeez, how many times are Bart and Lisa going to look into the future? And if they're going to keep doing it, at what point do you sneak a Futurama reference in?" I guess the storyline continuity with Bender being in his full body can be explained away by saying they all went back in time again (and Fry became his nephew's own father when he killed Yancey in a freak breakdancing accident).

Off-topic aside: If the Simpsons are going to do a  future episode every two-three years, could we see one where Bart is successful and Lisa turns into a crack whore? I mean seriously, we get the point, Lisa is perfect and Bart is a screwup. Marge is awesome and Homer sucks. Shake up the paradigm a little, eh?
Futurama Nerd

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« Reply #66 on: 04-18-2005 22:26 »

It was kinda cool, but I just wish Bender's role was alitte bit more then being thrown out of the car. All in all, at least we know Futurama still lives on as a small guest star.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #67 on: 04-18-2005 22:31 »

 
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Originally posted by Mystery_Meat:
Off-topic aside: If the Simpsons are going to do a  future episode every two-three years,

They've only done one every five years, amounting to only three so far (no forth, since there wasn't one at the beginning of the series).

Mystery_Meat

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« Reply #68 on: 04-18-2005 22:39 »

I stand corrected, but the Simpsons have this irritating habit of going to the same well a bunch of times. Like this. And then the China adoption episode later that night, another page from the "Hear that, kids? The Simpsons are going to beat this joke into the ground!" page.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #69 on: 04-18-2005 22:48 »

Every show has its conventions.  Nearly every season one and two episode of Futurama features a chase sequence, or otherwise some situation where the crew has to rush in order to avoid dying.  A whole bunch of them have a sequence where the crew "tours" some area at the begining.  The well of Leela rejecting Fry was revisited every few episodes for a while.  Characters returned, basic episode formats were reused (ever notice how similar "Jurassic Bark" is to "Luck of the Fryrish"?), and catch phrases were used over and over, all just in 72 episodes.  And then there's Anthology of Interest, which they did two of (both with the exact same formula, IE a Fry story, a Bender story, and a Leela story), and they most certainly would have done many more of them over many years had they not been cancelled.

The conventions on The Simpsons are just slightly more obvious then they used to be now, since the show has been on for so long (last night's was the 350th episode, for sweet zombie jesus' sake).
Mystery_Meat

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« Reply #70 on: 04-19-2005 20:32 »
« Last Edit on: 04-19-2005 20:32 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Every show has its conventions.  Nearly every season one and two episode of Futurama features a chase sequence, or otherwise some situation where the crew has to rush in order to avoid dying.  A whole bunch of them have a sequence where the crew "tours" some area at the begining.  The well of Leela rejecting Fry was revisited every few episodes for a while.  Characters returned, basic episode formats were reused (ever notice how similar "Jurassic Bark" is to "Luck of the Fryrish"?), and catch phrases were used over and over, all just in 72 episodes.  And then there's Anthology of Interest, which they did two of (both with the exact same formula, IE a Fry story, a Bender story, and a Leela story), and they most certainly would have done many more of them over many years had they not been cancelled.

The conventions on The Simpsons are just slightly more obvious then they used to be now, since the show has been on for so long (last night's was the 350th episode, for sweet zombie jesus' sake).

First off, there's a difference between conventions and recycled scripts/concepts. Homer being dumb, Bart being childishly bad and Lisa being almost perfect in every way are conventions. Comic Book Guy being fat and making nerdy comics, also convention. But doing a Bart/Lisa see their future episode isn't a convention so much as it's another version of something they've already done. There's nothing wrong with going to the tried and true, per se; in fact, I think I liked this future episode more than the others because it flowed better and had better storylines than the first two. But really all three are borne of the same concept -- Lisa is a wunderkund, Bart is a slacker/low-class worker, Homer is fat and pathetic. There's not a lot of deviation betwixt any of them.

(Anthology of Interest is just another way of saying Treehouse of Horror and are [or would have been, in Futurama's case] yearly traditions. Now if they were doing the same TYPE of horror stories/what if scenarios, then you've got something. Aside: wasn't Family Guy probably going to do a yearly mailbag in the ToH/AoI vein? They just did the one, then they died [where their derivative butts should have stayed].)

Take Leela stiff-arming Fry. That's a convention. Now if every three-five years they suffer time skips that thrust them closer and pull them apart, then you've got script/concept recycling. You can't not have conventions, of course; otherwise every months the characters would have to be completely overhauled. But when you get dependent on old scripts or, as I've seen a couple of times, comic scripts to produce an episode, that's when you think maybe it's time to shake up the franchise.
T-Veronica

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« Reply #71 on: 04-19-2005 20:50 »
« Last Edit on: 04-19-2005 20:50 »

Wow, that was very insightful of you. I agree that this recent Simpsons episode could be classified as a idea-recycling event, but sometimes (when handled as well as Simpsons jokes usually are) it never gets old. And had Futurama continued, I'd most likely not mind revisiting former ideas because I pretty much have trust in the writers. (True, that can be setting yourself up for disappointment, but I prefer to be an optimist, not necessarily a realist.)

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DotheBartman

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« Reply #72 on: 04-20-2005 03:00 »

Mystery Meat:  All of that's basically true, but again I think Futurama had a lot of the same issues.  The concept of Fry having love interests was blatantly recycled throughout season two.  Fry and Leela episodes were generally always the same in dynamic, with the basic idea always being that Fry tries to woo Leela and she constantly rejects him ("The Sting" was the main one to deviate from this).  And again, I'd bring up the similarity between "Luck of the Fryrish" and "Jurassic Bark"; they're two of my favorites (the latter more so), but in principle they're largely the same thing.  Fry tries to get something from his 20th Century past back, with intertwining flashbacks, and leading up to a suprise ending regarding the object Fry has been trying to bring back to him.

I'm not saying this is entirely bad either.  On The Simpsons, I consider some of the "recycled" concepts to just be episode genres or running themes; Homer and Marge get into a fight, one or both of the kids see one of their possible futures, Springfield embarks on something stupid and costly, etc.  The same is true on Futurama; even the recycling of "Fryrish" with "Bark" doesn't bug me, because the results were even better in the recycling anyway, and plus I consider the two episodes to be part of a running genre of episodes.  Had they recycled the same basic genre a season or two later, its possible they would have come up with something even better.

This isn't to say of course the recycling isn't a problem of course, on either show.  When I have the biggest problem with it is when its done too many times or too often at once for its own good (on The Simpsons, "Homer gets a job" was beaten to death around during season ten.  On Futurama, "Fry has a new girlfriend/love interest" was beaten to death during season two), or something is just too blatantly recycled, like an actual joke being recycled without much change.  Basically, its one thing to ressurect a basic concept here and there, but its another to use that same concept too much, or simply repeat yourself without much change.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #73 on: 04-20-2005 17:10 »

I disagree with yor Futurama same issues points...
Slackit02

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« Reply #74 on: 04-20-2005 18:07 »

Theres a major differance on recycling themes between simpsons and futurama.  Your Fryish and Bark concepts are wrong.

Those episode's are to me, more then anything character development  How are you supposed to learn about Fry and his background without flashbacking?  In Fryish, at the end, Fry finds out what happens, and its not about what an ass he looks like when he realizes the truth, its more about his feelings, that all of a sudden - he misses everything.  He knows all that he's missed out of - a brother, parents, nephews and so on.  The whole episode is him putting down his past family, and at the end, realizing how much he misses/wants them.

Bark on the other hand was the opposite.  Through the episode he's trying to reconnect to his past by bringing back the dog.  At the end, he realizes that he needs to keep the future apart from the past, because people have lived thier lives back then.  Those arent similar to me.  In one he's wanting so bad for the past, and the other he knows he needs to move on. 

Even so - this is much different from the Simpsons.  Even if Fryish and Bark were the same ep, its still different from what the simpsons does.  We see two different story lines regarding Fry's past.  Different characters, different views, different everything.  Simpsons its the same.  Lisa grows up to be smart, Bart is a moron - not only is it repeating an idea, its repeating a convention, and past episodes where the exact same thing happened.  The only thing that made this future ep better was bender. 

Plus, simpsons stopped being funny like 3 seasons ago.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #75 on: 04-20-2005 19:48 »
« Last Edit on: 04-20-2005 19:48 »

 
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Originally posted by Slackit02:
Theres a major differance on recycling themes between simpsons and futurama.  Your Fryish and Bark concepts are wrong.

Those episode's are to me, more then anything character development  How are you supposed to learn about Fry and his background without flashbacking?  In Fryish, at the end, Fry finds out what happens, and its not about what an ass he looks like when he realizes the truth, its more about his feelings, that all of a sudden - he misses everything.  He knows all that he's missed out of - a brother, parents, nephews and so on.  The whole episode is him putting down his past family, and at the end, realizing how much he misses/wants them.

Bark on the other hand was the opposite.  Through the episode he's trying to reconnect to his past by bringing back the dog.  At the end, he realizes that he needs to keep the future apart from the past, because people have lived thier lives back then.  Those arent similar to me.  In one he's wanting so bad for the past, and the other he knows he needs to move on.

I know they're different in some ways.  I'm just saying that the formula in each episode was essentially the same, just with enough deviation to make them both unique episodes in their own right.  Yes, they flip some things, but the basic concept and formula are largely the same.  In both episodes, Fry goes looking for something from his past, and at the end there's a suprise.  And again, I wasn't saying that the similarity is a bad thing so much as that its there.

 
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Even so - this is much different from the Simpsons.  Even if Fryish and Bark were the same ep, its still different from what the simpsons does.  We see two different story lines regarding Fry's past.  Different characters, different views, different everything.  Simpsons its the same.  Lisa grows up to be smart, Bart is a moron - not only is it repeating an idea, its repeating a convention, and past episodes where the exact same thing happened.  The only thing that made this future ep better was bender.

This episode of The Simpsons did have a different story though, and a different focus.  The first one, "Lisa's Wedding", was a father-daughter show, focusing on Lisa's feelings about her family, particularly Homer, in the context of the future, roughly around the kids' twenties.  The second one went way ahead into the future, portraying Bart and Lisa in their thirties or fourties at least, and mostly just having some random plotting (I'm not a fan of that second one at all, so frankly I don't want to get into it much).  This last one focused not on Lisa but more on Bart, showing his own future transition into adulthood, and having to give up a piece of his own future for Lisa's sake.

The storylines are no more similar then "Bark " and "Fryrish" are to each other....they just happen to fall into one genre of episode, just as those two Futurama episodes do.  They each have some of the same ideas, but do different things with them.  Yeah, the way the characters are portrayed is similar, but how exactly should they be portrayed?  That's who they are on the show.  If Futurama did an episode set an extra ten years later, I can guarantee you that Fry would still be dumb and Bender would still be alcoholic and foul-mouthed. 

 
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Plus, simpsons stopped being funny like 3 seasons ago.

Personally, I think The Simpsons stopped being funny in season ten (97-98), and picked up again at season thirteen (2001-2002).

Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #76 on: 04-21-2005 13:24 »
« Last Edit on: 04-21-2005 13:24 »

I agree with everything Slackit02 said, apart from her last sentence. Obviously I can't apply her points to the new Simpsons episode, as I haven't seen it yet. However, I can very much relate to the gist of her argument in terms of other Simpsons episodes from recent Seasons. Of course this is inevitable when you get into 350 episodes, however to compare such a problem to Futurama and say they're both essentially sharing similar problems in  certain cases; is moronic, and is where I don't agree...

DotheBartman, you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper, and people are just giving up simply because they can't be arsed like you can. Iíve seen it on here, on No Homers, everywhere. You could probably convince people black was white and everyone would be happy believing it simply because of your long winded explanations, but that doesnít mean to say they hold anymore water...
DotheBartman

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« Reply #77 on: 04-22-2005 03:03 »
« Last Edit on: 04-22-2005 03:03 »

I said they had similarities....and again I didn't say they were all problems neccesarily.

Yes, with The Simpsons its more inevitable due to length, as well as more of a problem in general (I certainly think Futurama was more clever and consistent then modern Simpsons).  But I was just saying that a lot the things she was saying can still be applied to Futurama, or indeed any show.  Every show recycles things and has obvious conventions.  I'm just a little tired of Simpsons being accused of these things often considering its managed to NOT recycle things too often consider it has 350 episodes now.

And I don't use the length of my posts as a tactic or crutch, if that's what you're trying to say.  Its just the way I'm used to writing things (and I'm a fast typer, so that helps).  And I don't appreciate being called "moronic".  I obviously disagree with the people I was just debating with here, but I would never insult them as opposed to actually debating their points, just as they did with me.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #78 on: 04-22-2005 13:29 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
But I was just saying that a lot the things she was saying can still be applied to Futurama, or indeed any show.

Yes in a general sense, but it's to the extent that they can be applied to Futurama which I am getting at here. The comparisons are too far fetched, and your explanations come across as trying to shorten the distance of how far fetched they are, and they just don't wash...

I'm not calling you moronic personally, I'm saying I think the comparison itself is moronic...


NIC2001

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« Reply #79 on: 04-23-2005 09:23 »

Hey, for all of you guys that miss the show last sunday. They got a small clip of it at The Leela Zone.

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